2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2

[Brinbe]

zero point in getting down about anything with these wonky lotto odds. obviously it helps to finish lower but whether we're 1st or 7th, it's all luck. the pistons won 17 games during the wemby year and ended up picking 5th. won 14 games last year and ended up in 5th again. the hawks moved up nine spots last year.









imagine if that happened here? tWo would be in a sorry state...

but also look at those drafts. OKC got Cason Wallace at 10. Edey went 9th. We'll probably be top 10 regardless and in position to pick a good player there.

[Spates]

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I think this kid might be the best player in the draft. He's so, so impactful. Brilliant defensive player, savvy on offensive. immense rim finisher.

[Pointgod]

zero point in getting down about anything with these wonky lotto odds. obviously it helps to finish lower but whether we're 1st or 7th, it's all luck. the pistons won 17 games during the wemby year and ended up picking 5th. won 14 games last year and ended up in 5th again. the hawks moved up nine spots last year.









imagine if that happened here? tWo would be in a sorry state...

but also look at those drafts. OKC got Cason Wallace at 10. Edey went 9th. We'll probably be top 10 regardless and in position to pick a good player there.

I’d rather take a shot at getting guys like Amen Thompson, Cason Wallace, Bilal Coulabily, Derek Lively, Gradey and top ten pick in last year’s draft plus cap flexibility over Gradey and Poeltl.

[DG88]

zero point in getting down about anything with these wonky lotto odds. obviously it helps to finish lower but whether we're 1st or 7th, it's all luck. the pistons won 17 games during the wemby year and ended up picking 5th. won 14 games last year and ended up in 5th again. the hawks moved up nine spots last year.









imagine if that happened here? tWo would be in a sorry state...

but also look at those drafts. OKC got Cason Wallace at 10. Edey went 9th. We'll probably be top 10 regardless and in position to pick a good player there.

2-6 is our range imho. Leaves us in a great spot to pick up a good player with the upside of moving into the top 4. The schedule toughens back up in February before easing again in March. It's why I'm not beholden to who's in the top 4 but who's in the top 10. We have pretty good selection of players to choose from this year and hopefully next year as well in a deeper and stronger draft with 3 picks, (2 FRP, 1 SRP).

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If we move down I would guess we target a role player prospect we hope can grow. If we're in the 7-12 range I would look at Maluach, Newell, McNeeley, Queen, and Fears. They would all be good bench pieces we could grow over the years. It would be disappointing to have one of them instead of the top 3-5 prospects in the draft.

I would take Rasheer over all 5 of them.

He isn't a great prospect. He's a junior in college and his shot won't translate based on year over year return. He's also undersized.

If he clocks in at 6-10+ and shoots lights out I'd consider it.

His 7'4 wingspan has him playing like he's 6'11 and dunking with ease in the halfcourt. OMG, did you see Boucher get stuffed by the rim trying to dunk from standstill? He might be Jason Maxiell that can shoot 3's.

I think he'd be more like Scottie and guard 3/4. He seems strong like OG but more fluid.

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I think this kid might be the best player in the draft. He's so, so impactful. Brilliant defensive player, savvy on offensive. immense rim finisher.

Since he's not hoppy enough I think the increased height of NBA players will neutralize his game like it has for Mogbo. Is he going to be much better than Mogbo or much different?

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I think this kid might be the best player in the draft. He's so, so impactful. Brilliant defensive player, savvy on offensive. immense rim finisher.

Since he's not hoppy enough I think the increased height of NBA players will neutralize his game like it has for Mogbo. Is he going to be much better than Mogbo or much different?

6'7 Kyle Lowry. Nuff said, no? He carves out space well, wraps around defenders. But fair point, it's meaningful to watch tape against larger defenders. Regardless, his tim pressure is legitimate. And he can pass out of attacks and post-ups. Quick and shifty in the post. Low and snappy crossover that move defenders. Love the base that he's bringing into the NBA.

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I have to disagree. Demin has the best vision in the draft. cerebral player. manipulates and reads the floor well. His problem is that he struggles to finish. He needs more strength and time to work on his shot. And despite his scoring weaknesses he masterfully creates for his squad. I think he'd raise a teams floor sooner than many of the other draftees.

I think we all get bias from pre-season and early season rankings and tape vs weaker competition.

Really, I think that Condon would be a better point-forward than Demin. He's bigger (6'11), just as quick, shoots the 3 better, makes the same passes with similar A/T, plays in a tougher conference and Florida has worked their way up from ranked in the 20's all the way up to #5. When I watch Condon I see a 6'11 Draymond that can shoot the 3 better. Is that Franz Wagner?

[Yallbecrazy]

i see what you mean but Flagg, Harper, Bailey, Demin, and maybe even Edgecombe would have been in consideration as the first pick last year. This is a different draft.

i'm not blown away by Flagg relative to his hype and consensus draft position. Great potential but I think he'll rely more on skill development than I would've imagined. He's not nearly as physically imposing as I expected. I think he's been receiving a superstar whistle and I don't get the impression that his jumper is reliable. a lot of refining to do.

I have 0 interest in Tre Johnson. Streaky, one-way, bucket getter.

Love VJ's tools. He's a guy that might to able to explode to the basket at will. Needs much refinement in his handle and decision-making.

Harper...I don't think you need ball dominant guards in the modern NBA. Not unless they are elite with their on-ball creation. I think he'll have to adjust to be a high impact player.

I think Murray-Boyles may be Draymond-lite defensively with elite finishing ability and great passing touch.

Demin is an amazing on-ball creator. I think he'll scale with stronger teammates. But again, his game needs growth to consolidate his creation and mitigate defensive issues.

Demin was mocked 10-20. If his season was flipped and started slow he'd still be in the teens and maybe dropping into the early 20's and possibly going back for his sophomore season.

Nik Richards 20pts and 19 rebs for Phoenix. Is Maluach that level? Well Sorber just put up 25 pts, 15 rebs, 2 ast (1 to), 2 stl and 3 blks. 3 for 3 FT and 2 for 3 from deep. Duke is not doing Maluach any favours. I would take Sorber before Queen (a year older freshman).

Zvonimir got to play 27 mins but not start despite Oklahoma (Fears had a decent game) biggest guy is 6'10.
Z put up 10pts, 6 rebs, 4 ast (1 to) and 3 blks. I see his talent like the C version of Nikola Jovic. Great gamble with an early to mid 2nd pick. Like Maluach, Calipari is not doing him any favours, while Tomislav gets to start and play consistent mins.

One interesting player is 6'11 Aussie that plays for #5 Florida, Alex Condon! 44% from 3 with 2.3 ast (1.0 to), 0.8 stl and 1.5 blks (2 fouls) and a BPM of 11.3.

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Condon just looks like he knows the game, while Danny Wolf might be the fool's gold player. They eye test, has me thinking more athletic Kelly Olynyk or even Franz Wagner.

Thanks for the names, I'll check these guys out.

Right Danny Wolf, I forgot about him. I have some thoughts on him but would like to see more tape. If he isn't a complete defensive liability I think he'll have some serious utility. Ball dominant but I don't get the impression he can't play more off-ball. But again, need more tape.

Sorber, Maluach, and Queen haven't pique my interest at all. College pros maybe. They remind me of the Thomas Robinson, Hasheem Thabeet, or GG Jacksons of the draft.

So Thomas Robinson had a 8.8 bpm is junior year and a very poor assist to turnover ratio. 8.8 is fine for a freshman or okay for a sophomore. For upper classmen you really want it to be at least 10 at the minimum.

GG Jackson had a -bpm so was anything but a college pro and Thabeet was the most productive of all as a junior, but still terrible assist to turnover ratio and no steals which are great predictors for bigs.
Sorber and Queen might not be stars in the league, but they are nothing like the three you mentioned.

[Jerry Lucas]

Yeah CMB is probably the only non-freshman I would take in the lottery. The freshman class is just way too strong this year, but CMB is that impressive IMO. I've been a big fan of his game since last year's draft cycle when he was a freshman.

If he entered the draft last year I probably would have had him #1 on my big board. My actual #1 was Nikola Topic pretty much all season. Which just goes to show how weak last year's draft was at the top, considering my admitted blind spot when it comes to evaluating international prospects, yet I had an international prospect #1 on my 2024 big board.

[Yallbecrazy]

Yeah CMB is probably the only non-freshman I would take in the lottery. The freshman class is just way too strong this year, but CMB is that impressive IMO. I've been a big fan of his game since last year's draft cycle when he was a freshman.

If he entered the draft last year I probably would have had him #1 on my big board. My actual #1 was Nikola Topic pretty much all season. Which just goes to show how weak last year's draft was at the top, considering my admitted blind spot when it comes to evaluating international prospects, yet I had an international prospect #1 on my 2024 big board.

I'm in the same boat. He absolutely crushes some of the advanced stat indicators with great free throw rates, offensive rebounding, and tons of steals. He gets some assists too, but his turnovers are up. I assume his turnovers are up because last year he played with 3 5th year senior guards who could all shoot so he had lots of spacing and wasn't the focal point of the D. This year he doesn't have much spacing and defenses are gameplanning vs him to send him lots of double teams.

He's quick, strong, aggressive, smart and has great touch/ coordination around the rim. Players like that don't bust unless injured, and when you look at some of the all stars in the NBA that went outside the lottery a lot of them seem to have those traits.
He's had some stinkers this year which has probably dropped him out of my top 5 but I would be really happy to take him if we didn't get a top 4 pick.

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Yeah CMB is probably the only non-freshman I would take in the lottery. The freshman class is just way too strong this year, but CMB is that impressive IMO. I've been a big fan of his game since last year's draft cycle when he was a freshman.

If he entered the draft last year I probably would have had him #1 on my big board. My actual #1 was Nikola Topic pretty much all season. Which just goes to show how weak last year's draft was at the top, considering my admitted blind spot when it comes to evaluating international prospects, yet I had an international prospect #1 on my 2024 big board.

Is he regressing, with more to's than assists? It's not like he's lanky and hasn't filled into his body yet. Maybe he's peaked? I guess he can get craftier and get his 3pt and FT shooting up and be a good glue guy. He might be a jack of all trades, master of none. He's not quicker than Mogbo, so the speed of the NBA may hurt as well as the height. Maybe he goes at his own pace like a strong Kyle Anderson?

Best best case, is a smaller Scottie Barnes. I don't think he starts over Scottie and I don't think his game complements either.

[Spates]

I have to disagree. Demin has the best vision in the draft. cerebral player. manipulates and reads the floor well. His problem is that he struggles to finish. He needs more strength and time to work on his shot. And despite his scoring weaknesses he masterfully creates for his squad. I think he'd raise a teams floor sooner than many of the other draftees.

I think we all get bias from pre-season and early season rankings and tape vs weaker competition.

Really, I think that Condon would be a better point-forward than Demin. He's bigger (6'11), just as quick, shoots the 3 better, makes the same passes with similar A/T, plays in a tougher conference and Florida has worked their way up from ranked in the 20's all the way up to #5. When I watch Condon I see a 6'11 Draymond that can shoot the 3 better. Is that Franz Wagner?

As much as I have loved what I've seen from Demin I'm not entirely sold. It's hard to find game tape online that sequentially runs through lowlights and highlights. Cashiggy used to, but their format has changed to grouping shots, passes, and defense separately. It's harder to assess impact when tape is cut up like that. Before you could tell if offensive creation was given back up on defense, and how frequently players could string together dominant stretches. Consistency of impact is a key part of what I'm looking at. And process too. Good process always leads to good outcomes that scale to next level. With the outcomes being dependent on ability. To me, how these guys play means more than anything else. I couldn't care less about good outcomes that don't look reliable at the next level. Some of these highly mocked college players are entirely dependent on physical advantages that won't exist at the next level when everyone is stronger and faster.

As for Condon, I'll check him out later. His highlights looked dope. But David Johnson had dope highlights too. I was completely bamboozled.

[RoteSchroder]

i see what you mean but Flagg, Harper, Bailey, Demin, and maybe even Edgecombe would have been in consideration as the first pick last year. This is a different draft.

i'm not blown away by Flagg relative to his hype and consensus draft position. Great potential but I think he'll rely more on skill development than I would've imagined. He's not nearly as physically imposing as I expected. I think he's been receiving a superstar whistle and I don't get the impression that his jumper is reliable. a lot of refining to do.

I have 0 interest in Tre Johnson. Streaky, one-way, bucket getter.

Love VJ's tools. He's a guy that might to able to explode to the basket at will. Needs much refinement in his handle and decision-making.

Harper...I don't think you need ball dominant guards in the modern NBA. Not unless they are elite with their on-ball creation. I think he'll have to adjust to be a high impact player.

I think Murray-Boyles may be Draymond-lite defensively with elite finishing ability and great passing touch.

Demin is an amazing on-ball creator. I think he'll scale with stronger teammates. But again, his game needs growth to consolidate his creation and mitigate defensive issues.

Demin's a tier 3 passer/playmaker (Nash being tier 1) and seems to be below average at everything else. May have potential to be an average defender, but what would be the point of drafting him.

I have to disagree. Demin has the best vision in the draft. cerebral player. manipulates and reads the floor well. His problem is that he struggles to finish. He needs more strength and time to work on his shot. And despite his scoring weaknesses he masterfully creates for his squad. I think he'd raise a teams floor sooner than many of the other draftees.

Any highlights you have of high level shot creation? Maybe some plays that a normal PG or a player like Scottie is unable to make?

[Spates]

Demin was mocked 10-20. If his season was flipped and started slow he'd still be in the teens and maybe dropping into the early 20's and possibly going back for his sophomore season.

Nik Richards 20pts and 19 rebs for Phoenix. Is Maluach that level? Well Sorber just put up 25 pts, 15 rebs, 2 ast (1 to), 2 stl and 3 blks. 3 for 3 FT and 2 for 3 from deep. Duke is not doing Maluach any favours. I would take Sorber before Queen (a year older freshman).

Zvonimir got to play 27 mins but not start despite Oklahoma (Fears had a decent game) biggest guy is 6'10.
Z put up 10pts, 6 rebs, 4 ast (1 to) and 3 blks. I see his talent like the C version of Nikola Jovic. Great gamble with an early to mid 2nd pick. Like Maluach, Calipari is not doing him any favours, while Tomislav gets to start and play consistent mins.

One interesting player is 6'11 Aussie that plays for #5 Florida, Alex Condon! 44% from 3 with 2.3 ast (1.0 to), 0.8 stl and 1.5 blks (2 fouls) and a BPM of 11.3.

Watch on YouTube

Condon just looks like he knows the game, while Danny Wolf might be the fool's gold player. They eye test, has me thinking more athletic Kelly Olynyk or even Franz Wagner.

Thanks for the names, I'll check these guys out.

Right Danny Wolf, I forgot about him. I have some thoughts on him but would like to see more tape. If he isn't a complete defensive liability I think he'll have some serious utility. Ball dominant but I don't get the impression he can't play more off-ball. But again, need more tape.

Sorber, Maluach, and Queen haven't pique my interest at all. College pros maybe. They remind me of the Thomas Robinson, Hasheem Thabeet, or GG Jacksons of the draft.

So Thomas Robinson had a 8.8 bpm is junior year and a very poor assist to turnover ratio. 8.8 is fine for a freshman or okay for a sophomore. For upper classmen you really want it to be at least 10 at the minimum.

GG Jackson had a -bpm so was anything but a college pro and Thabeet was the most productive of all as a junior, but still terrible assist to turnover ratio and no steals which are great predictors for bigs.
Sorber and Queen might not be stars in the league, but they are nothing like the three you mentioned.

Maybe I am crazy. I'm not looking at the numbers unless I'm trying to verify what I see. Sorber and Queen can't play as they do in the NBA. I promise it won't translate in the starting lineup. Sorber looks tiny, lengthwise. Queen looks selfish, ball dominant, and slow paced. It's like he's trying to emulate Luka with a fraction of his talent. Interviews are important because you can get a sense of how guys understand their style of play, trends in the modern NBA, and willingness to adapt. Sorber might be a good bench player, Queen needs to adapt his talent.

Honestly, I need to watch more Maluach. I always quit the video early because he's hideously clunky on offense. I haven't ever reached defensive segments....

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I have to disagree. Demin has the best vision in the draft. cerebral player. manipulates and reads the floor well. His problem is that he struggles to finish. He needs more strength and time to work on his shot. And despite his scoring weaknesses he masterfully creates for his squad. I think he'd raise a teams floor sooner than many of the other draftees.

I think we all get bias from pre-season and early season rankings and tape vs weaker competition.

Really, I think that Condon would be a better point-forward than Demin. He's bigger (6'11), just as quick, shoots the 3 better, makes the same passes with similar A/T, plays in a tougher conference and Florida has worked their way up from ranked in the 20's all the way up to #5. When I watch Condon I see a 6'11 Draymond that can shoot the 3 better. Is that Franz Wagner?

As much as I have loved what I've seen from Demin I'm not entirely sold. It's hard to find game tape online that sequentially runs through lowlights and highlights. Cashiggy used to, but their format has changed to grouping shots, passes, and defense separately. It's harder to assess impact when tape is cut up like that. Before you could tell if offensive creation was given back up on defense, and how frequently players could string together dominant stretches. Consistency of impact is a key part of what I'm looking at. And process too. Good process always leads to good outcomes that scale to next level. With the outcomes being dependent on ability. To me, how these guys play means more than anything else. I couldn't care less about good outcomes that don't look reliable at the next level. Some of these highly mocked college players are entirely dependent on physical advantages that won't exist at the next level when everyone is stronger and faster.

As for Condon, I'll check him out later. His highlights looked dope. But David Johnson had dope highlights too. I was completely bamboozled.

WTF, he signed a rookie contract to play in the Aussie Rules Football. So he must have great footwork, think multi-sport Nash with soccer. Also toughness like Steven Adams. I think the mental strength would be good. We need a mid to late 1st to guarantee him not to go back to Florida or go to the AFL.

https://www.sportingnews.com/au/nba/news/who-alex-condon-aussie-nba-prospect-afl-collingwood-age-height/1a32b1f2fc2a9701efc461f5

OMG he's also a former water-polo goal keeper?!?!? crazy endurance and hand-eye coordination. Multi-sport talent that only started playing basketball seriously at age 16. This is bonkers! So he can shoot 3's and have an A/T of over 2 playing organized ball after 4 years?!?!?

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So he's a Ruckman, tallest player. So this explains his offensive rebound and immediate touch pass to his teammate for a layup.

[Spates]

I think we all get bias from pre-season and early season rankings and tape vs weaker competition.

Really, I think that Condon would be a better point-forward than Demin. He's bigger (6'11), just as quick, shoots the 3 better, makes the same passes with similar A/T, plays in a tougher conference and Florida has worked their way up from ranked in the 20's all the way up to #5. When I watch Condon I see a 6'11 Draymond that can shoot the 3 better. Is that Franz Wagner?

As much as I have loved what I've seen from Demin I'm not entirely sold. It's hard to find game tape online that sequentially runs through lowlights and highlights. Cashiggy used to, but their format has changed to grouping shots, passes, and defense separately. It's harder to assess impact when tape is cut up like that. Before you could tell if offensive creation was given back up on defense, and how frequently players could string together dominant stretches. Consistency of impact is a key part of what I'm looking at. And process too. Good process always leads to good outcomes that scale to next level. With the outcomes being dependent on ability. To me, how these guys play means more than anything else. I couldn't care less about good outcomes that don't look reliable at the next level. Some of these highly mocked college players are entirely dependent on physical advantages that won't exist at the next level when everyone is stronger and faster.

As for Condon, I'll check him out later. His highlights looked dope. But David Johnson had dope highlights too. I was completely bamboozled.

WTF, he signed a rookie contract to play in the Aussie Rules Football. So he must have great footwork, think multi-sport Nash with soccer. Also toughness like Steven Adams. I think the mental strength would be good. We need a mid to late 1st to guarantee him not to go back to Florida or go to the AFL.

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Quick initial impression:

I think he might be exactly what the team has been looking for at the 5. I don't think he's ready for the next level, but the feel is there and it's no reason to not draft him if he declares.

[Spates]

Demin's a tier 3 passer/playmaker (Nash being tier 1) and seems to be below average at everything else. May have potential to be an average defender, but what would be the point of drafting him.

I have to disagree. Demin has the best vision in the draft. cerebral player. manipulates and reads the floor well. His problem is that he struggles to finish. He needs more strength and time to work on his shot. And despite his scoring weaknesses he masterfully creates for his squad. I think he'd raise a teams floor sooner than many of the other draftees.

Any highlights you have of high level shot creation? Maybe some plays that a normal PG or a player like Scottie is unable to make?

Okay, I'll put you on my homework list too.

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As much as I have loved what I've seen from Demin I'm not entirely sold. It's hard to find game tape online that sequentially runs through lowlights and highlights. Cashiggy used to, but their format has changed to grouping shots, passes, and defense separately. It's harder to assess impact when tape is cut up like that. Before you could tell if offensive creation was given back up on defense, and how frequently players could string together dominant stretches. Consistency of impact is a key part of what I'm looking at. And process too. Good process always leads to good outcomes that scale to next level. With the outcomes being dependent on ability. To me, how these guys play means more than anything else. I couldn't care less about good outcomes that don't look reliable at the next level. Some of these highly mocked college players are entirely dependent on physical advantages that won't exist at the next level when everyone is stronger and faster.

As for Condon, I'll check him out later. His highlights looked dope. But David Johnson had dope highlights too. I was completely bamboozled.

WTF, he signed a rookie contract to play in the Aussie Rules Football. So he must have great footwork, think multi-sport Nash with soccer. Also toughness like Steven Adams. I think the mental strength would be good. We need a mid to late 1st to guarantee him not to go back to Florida or go to the AFL.

Watch on YouTube

Quick initial impression:

I think he might be exactly what the team has been looking for at the 5. I don't think he's ready for the next level, but the feel is there and it's no reason to not draft him if he declares.

Ya, 1 year of Chomche treatment should be enough. I feel like he's a Mogbo level prospect but 6'11 and can shoot the 3 already.


Zero Star Recruit! Humble confidence. Oh he says team measured and he has a 7'5 wingspan.

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[Yallbecrazy]

WTF, he signed a rookie contract to play in the Aussie Rules Football. So he must have great footwork, think multi-sport Nash with soccer. Also toughness like Steven Adams. I think the mental strength would be good. We need a mid to late 1st to guarantee him not to go back to Florida or go to the AFL.

Watch on YouTube

Quick initial impression:

I think he might be exactly what the team has been looking for at the 5. I don't think he's ready for the next level, but the feel is there and it's no reason to not draft him if he declares.

Ya, 1 year of Chomche treatment should be enough. I feel like he's a Mogbo level prospect but 6'11 and can shoot the 3 already.


Zero Star Recruit! Humble confidence. Oh he says team measured and he has a 7'5 wingspan.

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Uhh, reading up on him, he should be a top 10 pick. Probably top 7.