The LeBron James All-NBA (2nd) and Luka Doncic - 24-25 Thread

[Slava]

Rui for Klay, would you say no?

I think we need a guard with down hill speed to initiate transition offense than another wing.

[dcstanley]

Rui for Klay, would you say no?

If possible, would rather try to get Grayson Allen if they trade Rui for a player of that archetype.

I wonder if Wiggins or Hunter could be poached if ATL/GSW keep sliding.

[nzahir]

Rui for Klay, would you say no?

I think we need a guard with down hill speed to initiate transition offense than another wing.

Who is that guy besides Sexton?

Can any play both sides of the ball?

I agree as well, but limited options

If we can’t figure out the 3rd playmaker, then go get an elite shooter and Kessler. Move Rui

Reaves, Christie, DFS, Bron, AD
Gabe, elite shooter, Vando, Kessler

Also have Knecht, but phased out of rotation with a guy like Klay, Grayson

[nzahir]

Rui for Klay, would you say no?

If possible, would rather try to get Grayson Allen if they trade Rui for a player of that archetype.

I wonder if Wiggins or Hunter could be poached if ATL/GSW keep sliding.

Still need a C and 3rd playmaker

Not sure we have (or at least not sure we want to move) the assets

Also no real front court time with C, AD, Bron, DFS, Vando

Unless we’re moving Vando in a Wiggins move

[zimpy27]

Rui for Klay, would you say no?

If possible, would rather try to get Grayson Allen if they trade Rui for a player of that archetype.

I wonder if Wiggins or Hunter could be poached if ATL/GSW keep sliding.

Still need a C and 3rd playmaker

Not sure we have (or at least not sure we want to move) the assets

Also no real front court time with C, AD, Bron, DFS, Vando

Unless we’re moving Vando in a Wiggins move

Yeah I think it's important to note that Christie and Vincent are getting so many minutes because they can defend guards. But neither are playmakers as guardd. Lakers could upgrade team by bringing in a better player that defends and playmakes at guard spot.

Rui+Vincent+LAL29FRP
For
Kessler+Lonzo

This deal achieves it all.

[trickshot]

Disagree with AD on prioritising a downhil player. This team isn't a downhill team. The core just isn't about that life and will never be. Bron has started missing point blank layups. Don't waste your last move becoming above average on one thing and failing anyway. Focus on the halfcourt offense. Rui trade will be the last domino for the foreseeable future. It can't bring back a player than needs another player to be playable.

[zimpy27]

Disagree with AD on prioritising a downhil player. This team isn't a downhill team. The core just isn't about that life and will never be. Bron has started missing point blank layups. Don't waste your last move becoming above average on one thing and failing anyway. Focus on the halfcourt offense. Rui trade will be the last domino for the foreseeable future. It can't bring back a player than needs another player to be playable.

Agree with this. Unless it's a Rui move to shed salary and duck the 1st apron so they can sign up Simmons, Bojan, Brogdon

[nzahir]

If possible, would rather try to get Grayson Allen if they trade Rui for a player of that archetype.

I wonder if Wiggins or Hunter could be poached if ATL/GSW keep sliding.

Still need a C and 3rd playmaker

Not sure we have (or at least not sure we want to move) the assets

Also no real front court time with C, AD, Bron, DFS, Vando

Unless we’re moving Vando in a Wiggins move

Yeah I think it's important to note that Christie and Vincent are getting so many minutes because they can defend guards. But neither are playmakers as guardd. Lakers could upgrade team by bringing in a better player that defends and playmakes at guard spot.

Rui+Vincent+LAL29FRP
For
Kessler+Lonzo

This deal achieves it all.

Rui+JHS+filler?+1 2nd if needed for Zo. Chicago gets a try with Rui to clear up logjam at guards

Wood/Hayes+unprotect 27+29 1st unprotected+31 swap with some protections for Kessler.

Would OKC be interested in Gabe+salary filler+26 swap for Isaiah Joe? Espcially if they want a higher end guy?

Reaves, Christie, DFS, Bron, AD
Lonzo, Joe, Vando, Kessler

Deeper depth: Knecht, Wood/Hayes, vet min

If we cant get Kessler and need to go for a more expensive C like Turner or Rw3, then there aren't a ton of options for cheaper 2 way guards

Nembhard and Podz are a couple cheap young guys I can see us moving a 1st for maybe. Podz having a not so great season though rn

Kessler makes things the easiest

Wouldnt be mad with Turner, but got to figure out the guard situation with limited salary

[zimpy27]

Still need a C and 3rd playmaker

Not sure we have (or at least not sure we want to move) the assets

Also no real front court time with C, AD, Bron, DFS, Vando

Unless we’re moving Vando in a Wiggins move

Yeah I think it's important to note that Christie and Vincent are getting so many minutes because they can defend guards. But neither are playmakers as guardd. Lakers could upgrade team by bringing in a better player that defends and playmakes at guard spot.

Rui+Vincent+LAL29FRP
For
Kessler+Lonzo

This deal achieves it all.

Rui+JHS+filler?+1 2nd if needed for Zo. Chicago gets a try with Rui to clear up logjam at guards

Wood/Hayes+unprotect 27+29 1st unprotected+31 swap with some protections for Kessler.

Would OKC be interested in Gabe+salary filler+26 swap for Isaiah Joe? Espcially if they want a higher end guy?

Reaves, Christie, DFS, Bron, AD
Lonzo, Joe, Vando, Kessler

Deeper depth: Knecht, Wood/Hayes, vet min

If we cant get Kessler and need to go for a more expensive C like Turner or Rw3, then there aren't a ton of options for cheaper 2 way guards

Nembhard and Podz are a couple cheap young guys I can see us moving a 1st for maybe. Podz having a not so great season though rn

Kessler makes things the easiest

Wouldnt be mad with Turner, but got to figure out the guard situation with limited salary

That's too much of a rework. I think we can expect 2 players at the most and 1 is most likely from trade.

I'm most interested in the CP3 situation, I'm wondering if he planned to take a buyout to head to the Lakers. That would sort.the Lakers guard issues.

[nzahir]

Yeah I think it's important to note that Christie and Vincent are getting so many minutes because they can defend guards. But neither are playmakers as guardd. Lakers could upgrade team by bringing in a better player that defends and playmakes at guard spot.

Rui+Vincent+LAL29FRP
For
Kessler+Lonzo

This deal achieves it all.

Rui+JHS+filler?+1 2nd if needed for Zo. Chicago gets a try with Rui to clear up logjam at guards

Wood/Hayes+unprotect 27+29 1st unprotected+31 swap with some protections for Kessler.

Would OKC be interested in Gabe+salary filler+26 swap for Isaiah Joe? Espcially if they want a higher end guy?

Reaves, Christie, DFS, Bron, AD
Lonzo, Joe, Vando, Kessler

Deeper depth: Knecht, Wood/Hayes, vet min

If we cant get Kessler and need to go for a more expensive C like Turner or Rw3, then there aren't a ton of options for cheaper 2 way guards

Nembhard and Podz are a couple cheap young guys I can see us moving a 1st for maybe. Podz having a not so great season though rn

Kessler makes things the easiest

Wouldnt be mad with Turner, but got to figure out the guard situation with limited salary

That's too much of a rework. I think we can expect 2 players at the most and 1 is most likely from trade.

I'm most interested in the CP3 situation, I'm wondering if he planned to take a buyout to head to the Lakers. That would sort.the Lakers guard issues.

Cp3 has been playing well

But not big and it would be nice to have a guard who can play next to AR for a little bit

I dont see Cp3 wanting to play like 14 min a night in the playffs

I think having a guy who can push the pace and get downhill would give us another useful element

Lonzo is a big injury risk and I can see us no going for him b/c of that. But I really do love a lot of what he brings

He isnt a good scorer though, but I think if you have him next to a good shooter (we have Knecht, but would love an upgrade), then you build the 2nd unit around the defensive identity, getting to AD, and having a potential sniper/very good shooter

I think a lot more clarity can happen once we see what C we get/once the FO knows what the asking prices are

For us to even have a shot to really compete, we need the C and a 3rd playmaker

FO cant half ass this ****

[Slava]

Disagree with AD on prioritising a downhil player. This team isn't a downhill team. The core just isn't about that life and will never be. Bron has started missing point blank layups. Don't waste your last move becoming above average on one thing and failing anyway. Focus on the halfcourt offense. Rui trade will be the last domino for the foreseeable future. It can't bring back a player than needs another player to be playable.

On the contrary, this team has never consistently been a good half court offense team even when Lebron and Davis were the 2020 version of themselves.

[trickshot]

Disagree with AD on prioritising a downhil player. This team isn't a downhill team. The core just isn't about that life and will never be. Bron has started missing point blank layups. Don't waste your last move becoming above average on one thing and failing anyway. Focus on the halfcourt offense. Rui trade will be the last domino for the foreseeable future. It can't bring back a player than needs another player to be playable.

On the contrary, this team has never consistently been a good half court offense team even when Lebron and Davis were the 2020 version of themselves.

hmm yea but different coach, roleplayers and levels of athleticism. The team has also tried playing in transition this season and it keeps exposing the lack of athleticism and transition defense when teams decide to match. In 20 Lebron was still a one man transition demon on both ends. Now he'll smoke a layup and barely make it down the floor. Said downhill player can't run transition alone.

[nzahir]

Disagree with AD on prioritising a downhil player. This team isn't a downhill team. The core just isn't about that life and will never be. Bron has started missing point blank layups. Don't waste your last move becoming above average on one thing and failing anyway. Focus on the halfcourt offense. Rui trade will be the last domino for the foreseeable future. It can't bring back a player than needs another player to be playable.

On the contrary, this team has never consistently been a good half court offense team even when Lebron and Davis were the 2020 version of themselves.

hmm yea but different coach, roleplayers and levels of athleticism. The team has also tried playing in transition this season and it keeps exposing the lack of athleticism and transition defense when teams decide to match. In 20 Lebron was still a one man transition demon on both ends. Now he'll smoke a layup and barely make it down the floor. Said downhill player can't run transition alone.

Were not telling that said downhill player to go and run 1 on 3 fastbreaks every time

But someone that can help speed up the offense at times would be nice

And also get downhill in pick and rolls in half court offenses

[Stein] Despite Anthony Davis’ pleas, league sources stressed that the Lakers are not expected to join the hunt for either Vučević or Poeltl ... while oft-suggested Lakers target Walter Kessler of the Jazz is believed to as close to unavailable as it gets.

I hope Stein doesn't have much info on us or this is postering a bit

Pelinka CAN NOT STAND PAT again

We should have made moves last trade deadline or in the summer at the latest

Insane that we dont have another C to give s the ability to even play big

Hayes is not good, but I feel like JJ is playing him a bit to show Pelinka what is possible

Rui looking like the odd man out

[zimpy27]

Davis at PF worked because Lakers had 4 guys that could defend 1-3 well: KCP, Caruso, Green, Bradley

This allowed you to have 2 of these 1-3 defenders on the court at all times, in fact you only needed 3 in the end as Bradley didn't go to the bubble.

Current Lakers roster has Christie, Vincent, Vando that can defend 1-3 well enough. Not in the same tier as the 2020 champion team. Vando doesn't shoot 3s either so you need him to play with Wood at 5 when with Davis at 4.

Adding Lonzo gives you the biggest potential and the ability to start a big with Davis at PF.

I think Lakers need to do a Rui for Lonzo deal, just can't get past this deal as the ideal one for the Lakers. If they do that then Kessler will work or another big.

[nzahir]

Davis at PF worked because Lakers had 4 guys that could defend 1-3 well: KCP, Caruso, Green, Bradley

This allowed you to have 2 of these 1-3 defenders on the court at all times, in fact you only needed 3 in the end as Bradley didn't go to the bubble.

Current Lakers roster has Christie, Vincent, Vando that can defend 1-3 well enough. Not in the same tier as the 2020 champion team. Vando doesn't shoot 3s either so you need him to play with Wood at 5 when with Davis at 4.

Adding Lonzo gives you the biggest potential and the ability to start a big with Davis at PF.

I think Lakers need to do a Rui for Lonzo deal, just can't get past this deal as the ideal one for the Lakers. If they do that then Kessler will work or another big.

If were going Rui and JHS for Lonzo, then we have like 14M for a C (Gabe+Wood/Hayes/Cam)

Good, but injury prone/big risks: RW3, MItchell Robinson

Not good or not needle moovers: Jonas V, Jock Landale, Sharpe

I dont see us going for Lonzo unless were getting back Kessler.

Salaries just dont work for another viable C, unless we move Knecht

Kessler or Myles Turner should be target #1

Once you figure that situation out, can figure out the other move/moves (if any)

If those 2 are out, then this season is pretty much over I think. I dont see any other realistic move that can help push us up another level

At that point I'm trading for Rw3/Robinson and Zo and going super high risk, high reward on the defense

[zimpy27]

Davis at PF worked because Lakers had 4 guys that could defend 1-3 well: KCP, Caruso, Green, Bradley

This allowed you to have 2 of these 1-3 defenders on the court at all times, in fact you only needed 3 in the end as Bradley didn't go to the bubble.

Current Lakers roster has Christie, Vincent, Vando that can defend 1-3 well enough. Not in the same tier as the 2020 champion team. Vando doesn't shoot 3s either so you need him to play with Wood at 5 when with Davis at 4.

Adding Lonzo gives you the biggest potential and the ability to start a big with Davis at PF.

I think Lakers need to do a Rui for Lonzo deal, just can't get past this deal as the ideal one for the Lakers. If they do that then Kessler will work or another big.

If were going Rui and JHS for Lonzo, then we have like 14M for a C (Gabe+Wood/Hayes/Cam)

Good, but injury prone/big risks: RW3, MItchell Robinson

Not good or not needle moovers: Jonas V, Jock Landale, Sharpe

I dont see us going for Lonzo unless were getting back Kessler.

Salaries just dont work for another viable C, unless we move Knecht

Kessler or Myles Turner should be target #1

Once you figure that situation out, can figure out the other move/moves (if any)

If those 2 are out, then this season is pretty much over I think. I dont see any other realistic move that can help push us up another level

At that point I'm trading for Rw3/Robinson and Zo and going super high risk, high reward on the defense

I'd be happiest with Lonzo/RW3

It think you can get them for little draft capital. Lakers can make a big move in the offseason if Lonzo/RW3 are injured. If they manage to be healthy then I think Lakers could with the championship this year.

[nzahir]

Davis at PF worked because Lakers had 4 guys that could defend 1-3 well: KCP, Caruso, Green, Bradley

This allowed you to have 2 of these 1-3 defenders on the court at all times, in fact you only needed 3 in the end as Bradley didn't go to the bubble.

Current Lakers roster has Christie, Vincent, Vando that can defend 1-3 well enough. Not in the same tier as the 2020 champion team. Vando doesn't shoot 3s either so you need him to play with Wood at 5 when with Davis at 4.

Adding Lonzo gives you the biggest potential and the ability to start a big with Davis at PF.

I think Lakers need to do a Rui for Lonzo deal, just can't get past this deal as the ideal one for the Lakers. If they do that then Kessler will work or another big.

If were going Rui and JHS for Lonzo, then we have like 14M for a C (Gabe+Wood/Hayes/Cam)

Good, but injury prone/big risks: RW3, MItchell Robinson

Not good or not needle moovers: Jonas V, Jock Landale, Sharpe

I dont see us going for Lonzo unless were getting back Kessler.

Salaries just dont work for another viable C, unless we move Knecht

Kessler or Myles Turner should be target #1

Once you figure that situation out, can figure out the other move/moves (if any)

If those 2 are out, then this season is pretty much over I think. I dont see any other realistic move that can help push us up another level

At that point I'm trading for Rw3/Robinson and Zo and going super high risk, high reward on the defense

I'd be happiest with Lonzo/RW3

It think you can get them for little draft capital. Lakers can make a big move in the offseason if Lonzo/RW3 are injured. If they manage to be healthy then I think Lakers could with the championship this year.

No way you prefer Lonzo and RW3 over Kessler+Lonzo/Sexton/CJM/Poole/Ayo/3rd playmaker or Turner+3rd playmaker at 14.5m or less (Ayo, Mann, Cp3, etc?)

If we arent moving a 1st though, and its 2nds/swaps/protected swap, fine

Rui, Vincent, JHS, and Hayes

Reaves, Christie, DFS, Bron, AD
Lonzo, Knecht, Vando, Wood? Rw3

Got 2 extra spots for depth. Marcus Morris, Gallo, Crowder, RoCo, Fultz, DSJ

I like that team, but much rather give up draft capital and have a better shot to compete

But if I am doing anything withot going all in/mostly in, this is the move

[trickshot]

3 shot clock violations after going up near 20.

That's why teams don't just dump it into the post anymore. As great as AD's 17 points in the first few minutes were no one else got enough offense to get in rhythm. An offense with Bron and Reaves spraying passes will always be more fluid than midpost jumpers.

[zimpy27]

If were going Rui and JHS for Lonzo, then we have like 14M for a C (Gabe+Wood/Hayes/Cam)

Good, but injury prone/big risks: RW3, MItchell Robinson

Not good or not needle moovers: Jonas V, Jock Landale, Sharpe

I dont see us going for Lonzo unless were getting back Kessler.

Salaries just dont work for another viable C, unless we move Knecht

Kessler or Myles Turner should be target #1

Once you figure that situation out, can figure out the other move/moves (if any)

If those 2 are out, then this season is pretty much over I think. I dont see any other realistic move that can help push us up another level

At that point I'm trading for Rw3/Robinson and Zo and going super high risk, high reward on the defense

I'd be happiest with Lonzo/RW3

It think you can get them for little draft capital. Lakers can make a big move in the offseason if Lonzo/RW3 are injured. If they manage to be healthy then I think Lakers could with the championship this year.

No way you prefer Lonzo and RW3 over Kessler+Lonzo/Sexton/CJM/Poole/Ayo/3rd playmaker or Turner+3rd playmaker at 14.5m or less (Ayo, Mann, Cp3, etc?)

If we arent moving a 1st though, and its 2nds/swaps/protected swap, fine

Rui, Vincent, JHS, and Hayes

Reaves, Christie, DFS, Bron, AD
Lonzo, Knecht, Vando, Wood? Rw3

Got 2 extra spots for depth. Marcus Morris, Gallo, Crowder, RoCo, Fultz, DSJ

I like that team, but much rather give up draft capital and have a better shot to compete

But if I am doing anything withot going all in/mostly in, this is the move

I do prefer it because Lakers can keep their FRPs and get a better fit in the offseason.

[Fadeaway_J]

The next bout of unseriousness is always just around the corner with this team.