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Re: Eye of the Tiger: The Tidjane Salaun Thread 

Post#1041 » by EmpireFalls » Fri Jan 24, 2025 7:00 pm

fatlever wrote:I think part of the problem with him this year has been circumstances outside of his control. I think most of us can agree that the plan for him was to spend the majority of the first half of his season in Greensboro if not all of his season in greensboro. I don't think there was any world where the staff wanted to throw him into the rotation right away. Two things happen that kind of changed that. One, was obviously injuries up and down the roster that kind of forced him into the rotation way before he was ready and we saw him under the magnifying glass. And two he had that red hot preseason where he actually looked pretty good and probably gave everyone, front office coaching staff fans, a little bit of false hope that he was closer to being ready than he actually was. I think this would be a completely different conversation had he been stashed in Greensboro all year like he should have been. Doug had a good comment the other day on the podcast. Basically just said we need to forget he exists for the rest of this year and maybe next year and by year three then maybe remember that he's on the roster. Honestly if he's in the rotation again next year it just means this team isn't trying to win.

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But by year 3 we need to make a decision on picking up his rookie option. In fact you need to make that decision in October 2026. He has much less time than we realize.

He has to take a huge leap to get his 4th year option picked up, and beyond that, an even bigger leap to deserve a second contract. He needs to be able to stand alone on his own merit with no kid gloves in approximately 18 months.
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Post#1042 » by JMAC3 » Fri Jan 24, 2025 8:14 pm

I am buying up his stock for all those selling, he is going to be much improved by next season and the I told you so is going to be really loud for the haters in the front row.

Give me the 19 yr old who was starting in the best league in France that was a lotto pick all day, I can hold it down while everyone jumps off the ship. Just don't expect to get back on when we are cruising past you next year.
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Post#1043 » by fatlever » Fri Jan 24, 2025 8:22 pm

such an odd pov
Feels like it's all about scoreboarding
Obviously all of us want to see him succeed. And if you're right and he starts killing it next year, then that's amazing. Are you gonna be the gatekeeper of people who are allowed to root for him if that's the case?
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Post#1044 » by EmpireFalls » Fri Jan 24, 2025 8:27 pm

JMAC3 wrote:I am buying up his stock for all those selling, he is going to be much improved by next season and the I told you so is going to be really loud for the haters in the front row.

Give me the 19 yr old who was starting in the best league in France that was a lotto pick all day, I can hold it down while everyone jumps off the ship. Just don't expect to get back on when we are cruising past you next year.

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Re: Eye of the Tiger: The Tidjane Salaun Thread 

Post#1045 » by KembaWalker » Fri Jan 24, 2025 8:29 pm

fatlever wrote:such an odd pov
Feels like it's all about scoreboarding
Obviously all of us want to see him succeed. And if you're right and he starts killing it next year, then that's amazing. Are you gonna be the gatekeeper of people who are allowed to root for him if that's the case?


yeah this is Draft Board nonsense, nobody here is gonna be having some clyde21-esque meltdown JMAC is hoping for if Salaun actually started playing well

i was totally wrong about Marks comeback this season and I'm glad. i'd love to be equally wrong about Salaun
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Re: Eye of the Tiger: The Tidjane Salaun Thread 

Post#1046 » by JMAC3 » Fri Jan 24, 2025 8:31 pm

fatlever wrote:such an odd pov
Feels like it's all about scoreboarding
Obviously all of us want to see him succeed. And if you're right and he starts killing it next year, then that's amazing. Are you gonna be the gatekeeper of people who are allowed to root for him if that's the case?


How is that any different than people bashing Salaun after every game and posting about how we should have drafted someone else lol. I say pick your side and stay on it, you don't get to talk **** and eat your cake too when it comes time.
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Post#1047 » by JMAC3 » Fri Jan 24, 2025 8:32 pm

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fatlever wrote:such an odd pov
Feels like it's all about scoreboarding
Obviously all of us want to see him succeed. And if you're right and he starts killing it next year, then that's amazing. Are you gonna be the gatekeeper of people who are allowed to root for him if that's the case?


How is that any different than people bashing Salaun after every game and posting about how we should have drafted someone else lol. I say pick your side and stay on it, you don't get to talk **** and eat your cake too when it comes time.


Especially when the bashing is to these degrees...

I am not just going to pretend it never happened. If that makes people have an issue with me so be it.
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Post#1048 » by fatlever » Fri Jan 24, 2025 8:36 pm

Yeah, I'm not gonna do that and I think it's silly. Because that implies that there are people that are going to be rooting for him to fail in order to come back on here and say I told you so. And to me that's utterly ridiculous. i will Never ever root for a player to fail in order to say I told you so.

And I'm definitely not in the hater category here, I'm just having a hard time seeing the upside. I actually really like him as a person and I'm rooting for him hardcore.
This is nowhere near how I felt about bouknight, Who I absolutely despised as a draft pick from the moment he stepped on the floor for us. And even then I was always rooting for him to prove me wrong and turn out to be a great player.

I'm not sure why you tried to turn all discussions into black and white this side versus that side conversations.
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Post#1049 » by JMAC3 » Fri Jan 24, 2025 8:51 pm

fatlever wrote:Yeah, I'm not gonna do that and I think it's silly. Because that implies that there are people that are going to be rooting for him to fail in order to come back on here and say I told you so. And to me that's utterly ridiculous. i will Never ever root for a player to fail in order to say I told you so.

And I'm definitely not in the hater category here, I'm just having a hard time seeing the upside. I actually really like him as a person and I'm rooting for him hardcore.
This is nowhere near how I felt about bouknight, Who I absolutely despised as a draft pick from the moment he stepped on the floor for us. And even then I was always rooting for him to prove me wrong and turn out to be a great player.

I'm not sure why you tried to turn all discussions into black and white this side versus that side conversations.


I am not the one pushing negative Saluan comments in 50% of the threads am I?
Nor am I over the top pro Salaun and expect everyone to only say positive things.

but yeah when you get 5+ pages in a row about people going out of their way to bash a player over and over and saying things like he isn't worth a 2nd round pick then yeah I am probably going to give them **** when he turns into a good player.

Me saying I am going to be as loud once he is good as the people are right now clamoring he is bad, doesn't feel like me crossing some line that shouldn't be crossed.
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Post#1050 » by yosemiteben » Fri Jan 24, 2025 9:03 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
fatlever wrote:such an odd pov
Feels like it's all about scoreboarding
Obviously all of us want to see him succeed. And if you're right and he starts killing it next year, then that's amazing. Are you gonna be the gatekeeper of people who are allowed to root for him if that's the case?


How is that any different than people bashing Salaun after every game and posting about how we should have drafted someone else lol. I say pick your side and stay on it, you don't get to talk **** and eat your cake too when it comes time.

For whatever it's worth, I think both approaches are annoying and turn reading posts into a chore.

With that said, we have a strong anti-scoreboarding policy around here and anyone that takes that approach is going to be warned and then given a vacation if they don't stop.
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Post#1051 » by KembaWalker » Fri Jan 24, 2025 9:04 pm

Probably havent seen this much "hate" for a prospect cause well, lets see some rookie g-league stats

(g-league site is kind of trash so dont hold me accountable to these 100%)
Kai as a rookie was 18/11 1.6 stl 2blk 62% in the g league
Bouknight was 21/6/5 at 45/33
Vernon Carey was 16/9 50% shooting
Jalen McDaniels was 16/8 44%/38%
Mark Williams averaged 22/12 in the g league "tip off tournament" didnt play RS i guess
Nick Richards averaged 17/10 on 52%
NSJ 20/4/6 on 43/39

not sure who else to even look up that is relevant, LaMelo, PJ, Monk, Miles I don't think ever played in the g league. I don't even think Bismack ever played in the G League

Salaun is averaging 10.5/8 on 36%/21% in the g league. in 35 minutes per game
he was picked higher than all these guys. what are you expecting him to get, a round of applause for his good hustle? lol. this isnt my nephews little league team. dude needs to make some shots
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Post#1052 » by fatlever » Fri Jan 24, 2025 9:18 pm

I think one thing to keep in mind with him in regards to his performance in Greensboro is, does he continue to play within the type of role that we would expect of him on the Hornets. Let's be real, I think even the best case outcomes of him are probably that of a high level role player, that 3D Hybrid forward/center Who plays good team defense and stretches the defense on offense. I don't think there's any realistic outcome that anyone expects where he turns into a 20 point per game type player who has the ball in his hands making decisions that kind of thing.
So it doesn't make a ton of sense for him to go down to Greensboro and change the way he plays. Don't want to see him trying to carry the offense down there or take 30 shots or dribble and create. Think that would be a total disaster for his development. So I do hope he continues to just play that role in Greensboro that would probably be similar to what his ideal role is with the Hornets which is 3rd or 4th 5th option, catch and shoot, stretch the floor, play good defense, rebound. More than anything what I'm looking for from him down there is to just get more comfortable finishing around the rim, less turnovers, better decision making and overall awareness of the game, and of course seeing his shooting percentages increase.
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Post#1053 » by JMAC3 » Fri Jan 24, 2025 9:20 pm

KembaWalker wrote:Probably havent seen this much "hate" for a prospect cause well, lets see some rookie g-league stats

(g-league site is kind of trash so dont hold me accountable to these 100%)
Kai as a rookie was 18/11 1.6 stl 2blk 62% in the g league
Bouknight was 21/6/5 at 45/33
Vernon Carey was 16/9 50% shooting
Jalen McDaniels was 16/8 44%/38%
Mark Williams averaged 22/12 in the g league "tip off tournament" didnt play RS i guess
Nick Richards averaged 17/10 on 52%
NSJ 20/4/6 on 43/39

not sure who else to even look up that is relevant, LaMelo, PJ, Monk, Miles I don't think ever played in the g league. I don't even think Bismack ever played in the G League

Salaun is averaging 10.5/8 on 36%/21% in the g league. in 35 minutes per game
he was picked higher than all these guys. what are you expecting him to get, a round of applause for his good hustle? lol. this isnt my nephews little league team. dude needs to make some shots


I think trying to prove a point on a 2 game sample size is a pretty flawed logic here.

Also, production in the Gleague isn't at all proven to be related to being a good NBA player.
Bryce McGowens is a Gleague superstar, should we try to get him back?
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Post#1054 » by KembaWalker » Fri Jan 24, 2025 9:24 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
KembaWalker wrote:Probably havent seen this much "hate" for a prospect cause well, lets see some rookie g-league stats

(g-league site is kind of trash so dont hold me accountable to these 100%)
Kai as a rookie was 18/11 1.6 stl 2blk 62% in the g league
Bouknight was 21/6/5 at 45/33
Vernon Carey was 16/9 50% shooting
Jalen McDaniels was 16/8 44%/38%
Mark Williams averaged 22/12 in the g league "tip off tournament" didnt play RS i guess
Nick Richards averaged 17/10 on 52%
NSJ 20/4/6 on 43/39

not sure who else to even look up that is relevant, LaMelo, PJ, Monk, Miles I don't think ever played in the g league. I don't even think Bismack ever played in the G League

Salaun is averaging 10.5/8 on 36%/21% in the g league. in 35 minutes per game
he was picked higher than all these guys. what are you expecting him to get, a round of applause for his good hustle? lol. this isnt my nephews little league team. dude needs to make some shots


I think trying to prove a point on a 2 game sample size is a pretty flawed logic here.

Also, production in the Gleague isn't at all proven to be related to being a good NBA player.
Bryce McGowens is a Gleague superstar, should we try to get him back?


i would assume that even if the correlation isnt perfect where just because youre good in the G doesn't mean you can play in the big league, its probably still a stronger positive indicator than sucking ass in the G
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Post#1055 » by JMAC3 » Fri Jan 24, 2025 9:29 pm

KembaWalker wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:
KembaWalker wrote:Probably havent seen this much "hate" for a prospect cause well, lets see some rookie g-league stats

(g-league site is kind of trash so dont hold me accountable to these 100%)
Kai as a rookie was 18/11 1.6 stl 2blk 62% in the g league
Bouknight was 21/6/5 at 45/33
Vernon Carey was 16/9 50% shooting
Jalen McDaniels was 16/8 44%/38%
Mark Williams averaged 22/12 in the g league "tip off tournament" didnt play RS i guess
Nick Richards averaged 17/10 on 52%
NSJ 20/4/6 on 43/39

not sure who else to even look up that is relevant, LaMelo, PJ, Monk, Miles I don't think ever played in the g league. I don't even think Bismack ever played in the G League

Salaun is averaging 10.5/8 on 36%/21% in the g league. in 35 minutes per game
he was picked higher than all these guys. what are you expecting him to get, a round of applause for his good hustle? lol. this isnt my nephews little league team. dude needs to make some shots


I think trying to prove a point on a 2 game sample size is a pretty flawed logic here.

Also, production in the Gleague isn't at all proven to be related to being a good NBA player.
Bryce McGowens is a Gleague superstar, should we try to get him back?


i would assume that even if the correlation isnt perfect where just because youre good in the G doesn't mean you can play in the big league, its probably still a stronger positive indicator than sucking ass in the G


Again you are talking about a 2 game sample size, yeah maybe if he played 30 games in the Gleague and was shooting 36/21 I would be concerned, but I could care less about what 2 games say.

I have already seen Salaun have really good moments playing in the preseason, NBA, overseas.... all way more important and impressive situations then some random gleague game.
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Post#1056 » by KembaWalker » Fri Jan 24, 2025 9:30 pm

like damn, even Bronny is putting up numbers in the G League and he's a make-a-wish player
there is really no excuse for the 2 games Salaun has put up if you're holding him to any kind of standard as a real prospect. he simply has no excuse, he HAS to play better
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Post#1057 » by Bassman » Fri Jan 24, 2025 10:01 pm

Agree that GLeague should produce some eye popping performances from lottery picks due to the competition level. Salaun likely won’t do that right now, and I can see why. He has deficiencies in skills and abilities that he has to work on if he’s to become any factor in NBA rotations. And that’s why he is where he should be, working with coaches on these and getting playing time. I’m truly pulling for the guy to develop the tools he needs to be a contributor by sometime next season.
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Post#1058 » by EmpireFalls » Fri Jan 24, 2025 10:26 pm

I see nothing to indicate he is better than JT Thor.

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Post#1059 » by KembaWalker » Sun Jan 26, 2025 8:36 pm

31 min 11pt/9reb/1ast/0stl/0blk/0to on 13 shots, 0/4 from 3
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Post#1060 » by yosemiteben » Sun Jan 26, 2025 9:03 pm

yosemiteben wrote:He's a developmental prospect, so if you're analyzing him game to game halfway through his rookie season you're probably not gonna see a big change. Maybe check in in 2 months and see if there are discernible trends?

Or just keep saying the same thing over and over, I guess.

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