Grayson to Orlando, Isaac to Phoenix

[Mr Puddles]

Orlando has been great, but they're also the worst three point shooting team in the NBA. They add one of the best three point shooters in the NBA.

Phoenix might not be able to pull off a Beal trade, which means they'll continue to have him as a scoring punch off the bench. They add one of the best defenders in the NBA, albeit they take on injury risk.

Both guys make about the same about of money this season.

How far apart value wise is this for either team?

[Magic_Johnny12]

Grayson makes $15.6M

Isaac has a balloon first year salary of $25M

So no, not legal and also Orlando wouldn’t do this.

Cole + Houstan + x4 SRP’s seems a little more pliable. Don’t think Orlando would be willing to trade a FRP.

Not sure Orlando willingly helps Phoenix get better as the have vested interest in them doing bad.

[Mr Puddles]

Grayson makes $15.6M

Isaac has a balloon first year salary of $25M

So no, not legal and also Orlando wouldn’t do this.

Cole + Houstan + x4 SRP’s seems a little more pliable. Don’t think Orlando would be willing to trade a FRP.

Not sure Orlando willingly helps Phoenix get better as the have vested interest in them doing bad.

I didn't know about the balloon, when checking Isaac's contract on sites it says he's making 15 mil this year.

Cole + Houstan + x4 SRP’s, doesn't help the Suns at all. Neither guy would crack the rotation.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Grayson makes $15.6M

Isaac has a balloon first year salary of $25M

So no, not legal and also Orlando wouldn’t do this.

Cole + Houstan + x4 SRP’s seems a little more pliable. Don’t think Orlando would be willing to trade a FRP.

Not sure Orlando willingly helps Phoenix get better as the have vested interest in them doing bad.

I didn't know about the balloon, when checking Isaac's contract on sites it says he's making 15 mil this year.

Cole + Houstan + x4 SRP’s, doesn't help the Suns at all. Neither guy would crack the rotation.

Sportrac shows it, you’re probably looking at next years salary (2025-2026) which is 15M.

And fair, however I do think the picks will help Phoenix gain a little more flexibility in trades this year and Cole becomes an expiring this summer and becomes another trade chip (similar to Okogie which ultimately netted you a solid starter). Not everything has to be about this season.

[oldncreaky]

Grayson makes $15.6M

Isaac has a balloon first year salary of $25M

So no, not legal and also Orlando wouldn’t do this.

Cole + Houstan + x4 SRP’s seems a little more pliable. Don’t think Orlando would be willing to trade a FRP.

Not sure Orlando willingly helps Phoenix get better as the have vested interest in them doing bad.

I didn't know about the balloon, when checking Isaac's contract on sites it says he's making 15 mil this year.

Cole + Houstan + x4 SRP’s, doesn't help the Suns at all. Neither guy would crack the rotation.

Sportrac shows it, you’re probably looking at next years salary (2025-2026) which is 15M.

And fair, however I do think the picks will help Phoenix gain a little more flexibility in trades this year and Cole becomes an expiring this summer and becomes another trade chip (similar to Okogie which ultimately netted you a solid starter). Not everything has to be about this season.

Mostly agree on your valuations

But for PHO, they are beyond all-in and everything is about this season, which means a more complicated 3-way trade, or no trade

[Slim Charless]

I didn't know about the balloon, when checking Isaac's contract on sites it says he's making 15 mil this year.

Cole + Houstan + x4 SRP’s, doesn't help the Suns at all. Neither guy would crack the rotation.

Sportrac shows it, you’re probably looking at next years salary (2025-2026) which is 15M.

And fair, however I do think the picks will help Phoenix gain a little more flexibility in trades this year and Cole becomes an expiring this summer and becomes another trade chip (similar to Okogie which ultimately netted you a solid starter). Not everything has to be about this season.

Mostly agree on your valuations

But for PHO, they are beyond all-in and everything is about this season, which means a more complicated 3-way trade, or no trade

Jonathan Isaac is 1 of the most injury prone and physically fragile players in all of NBA history. Zion plays more than him lol. I mean has he ever played more than 50 games in his career? If so, how many times and how long ago?

OP is spot on with his trade and I think it's a good one that works for botha teams. Suns would be taking on ALL the risk here which more than makes up for any perceived value difference in the 2 players. Also im not so sure there's a massive difference there as Grayson is a deadeye shooter-especially last year. He'll add some grit to a team that will need it comes playoffs in the east.

[OutsidetheNBA]

Sportrac shows it, you’re probably looking at next years salary (2025-2026) which is 15M.

And fair, however I do think the picks will help Phoenix gain a little more flexibility in trades this year and Cole becomes an expiring this summer and becomes another trade chip (similar to Okogie which ultimately netted you a solid starter). Not everything has to be about this season.

Mostly agree on your valuations

But for PHO, they are beyond all-in and everything is about this season, which means a more complicated 3-way trade, or no trade

Jonathan Isaac is 1 of the most injury prone and physically fragile players in all of NBA history. Zion plays more than him lol. I mean has he ever played more than 50 games in his career? If so, how many times and how long ago?

OP is spot on with his trade and I think it's a good one that works for botha teams. Suns would be taking on ALL the risk here which more than makes up for any perceived value difference in the 2 players. Also im not so sure there's a massive difference there as Grayson is a deadeye shooter-especially last year. He'll add some grit to a team that will need it comes playoffs in the east.

Isaac played 58 games last year and 41 of 47 games so far this year. Magic seem to have found a way to keep him healthy by limiting him to about 20 minutes a game and not playing him back to back.

[Slim Charless]

Mostly agree on your valuations

But for PHO, they are beyond all-in and everything is about this season, which means a more complicated 3-way trade, or no trade

Jonathan Isaac is 1 of the most injury prone and physically fragile players in all of NBA history. Zion plays more than him lol. I mean has he ever played more than 50 games in his career? If so, how many times and how long ago?

OP is spot on with his trade and I think it's a good one that works for botha teams. Suns would be taking on ALL the risk here which more than makes up for any perceived value difference in the 2 players. Also im not so sure there's a massive difference there as Grayson is a deadeye shooter-especially last year. He'll add some grit to a team that will need it comes playoffs in the east.

Isaac played 58 games last year and 41 of 47 games so far this year. Magic seem to have found a way to keep him healthy by limiting him to about 20 minutes a game and not playing him back to back.

20mpg and no b2b.....make him a part time player. So I feel my point stands. Good for him for finally playing ball again though.

[orlando_joe]

Mostly agree on your valuations

But for PHO, they are beyond all-in and everything is about this season, which means a more complicated 3-way trade, or no trade

Jonathan Isaac is 1 of the most injury prone and physically fragile players in all of NBA history. Zion plays more than him lol. I mean has he ever played more than 50 games in his career? If so, how many times and how long ago?

OP is spot on with his trade and I think it's a good one that works for botha teams. Suns would be taking on ALL the risk here which more than makes up for any perceived value difference in the 2 players. Also im not so sure there's a massive difference there as Grayson is a deadeye shooter-especially last year. He'll add some grit to a team that will need it comes playoffs in the east.

Isaac played 58 games last year and 41 of 47 games so far this year. Magic seem to have found a way to keep him healthy by limiting him to about 20 minutes a game and not playing him back to back.

he has been playing in back to backs all yr

[jredsaz]

Grayson makes $15.6M

Isaac has a balloon first year salary of $25M

So no, not legal and also Orlando wouldn’t do this.

Cole + Houstan + x4 SRP’s seems a little more pliable. Don’t think Orlando would be willing to trade a FRP.

Not sure Orlando willingly helps Phoenix get better as the have vested interest in them doing bad.

I think a huge pile of crap for Grayson Allen is not a good offer. If an Isaac for Allen swap worked under CBA, Magic would be all over it. Allen is just a better, more reliable player.

[jredsaz]

Jonathan Isaac is 1 of the most injury prone and physically fragile players in all of NBA history. Zion plays more than him lol. I mean has he ever played more than 50 games in his career? If so, how many times and how long ago?

OP is spot on with his trade and I think it's a good one that works for botha teams. Suns would be taking on ALL the risk here which more than makes up for any perceived value difference in the 2 players. Also im not so sure there's a massive difference there as Grayson is a deadeye shooter-especially last year. He'll add some grit to a team that will need it comes playoffs in the east.

Isaac played 58 games last year and 41 of 47 games so far this year. Magic seem to have found a way to keep him healthy by limiting him to about 20 minutes a game and not playing him back to back.

he has been playing in back to backs all yr

And only playing 17 minutes a game

[Magic_Johnny12]

Grayson makes $15.6M

Isaac has a balloon first year salary of $25M

So no, not legal and also Orlando wouldn’t do this.

Cole + Houstan + x4 SRP’s seems a little more pliable. Don’t think Orlando would be willing to trade a FRP.

Not sure Orlando willingly helps Phoenix get better as the have vested interest in them doing bad.

I think a huge pile of crap for Grayson Allen is not a good offer. If an Isaac for Allen swap worked under CBA, Magic would be all over it. Allen is just a better, more reliable player.

You’re entitled to think that, but Isaac is light years better defender than Allen is a shooter.

More reliable, absolutely. However, in their respective role they each play Isaac is the more impactful player. Advanced metrics will tell the same story. However, I’m not here to argue this point because it is pointless but again Orlando doesn’t do this deal.

The facts are that Phoenix doesn’t have many options and every team in the NBA is waiting for their inevitable implosion.

Orlando is looking forward to their Phoenix pick conveying next year.

[Slim Charless]

Grayson makes $15.6M

Isaac has a balloon first year salary of $25M

So no, not legal and also Orlando wouldn’t do this.

Cole + Houstan + x4 SRP’s seems a little more pliable. Don’t think Orlando would be willing to trade a FRP.

Not sure Orlando willingly helps Phoenix get better as the have vested interest in them doing bad.

I think a huge pile of crap for Grayson Allen is not a good offer. If an Isaac for Allen swap worked under CBA, Magic would be all over it. Allen is just a better, more reliable player.

You’re entitled to think that, but Isaac is light years better defender than Allen is a shooter.

More reliable, absolutely. However, in their respective role they each play Isaac is the more impactful player. Advanced metrics will tell the same story. However, I’m not here to argue this point because it is pointless but again Orlando doesn’t do this deal.

The facts are that Phoenix doesn’t have many options and every team in the NBA is waiting for their inevitable implosion.

Orlando is looking forward to their Phoenix pick conveying next year.

Well when you're playing 15mpg or so I guess you can do more with less lol. Meanwhile Greyson put in 34mpg last year and led the league 3s and he's putting in 27mpg or so this year.

I'm sure you will be hoping for that pick as Isaac will be a likely albatross of a deal. If he can't play or keep his same defensive versatility (not an easy thing as he relays on his athleticism).

Greyson won't forget how to shoot.

[Magic_Johnny12]

I think a huge pile of crap for Grayson Allen is not a good offer. If an Isaac for Allen swap worked under CBA, Magic would be all over it. Allen is just a better, more reliable player.

You’re entitled to think that, but Isaac is light years better defender than Allen is a shooter.

More reliable, absolutely. However, in their respective role they each play Isaac is the more impactful player. Advanced metrics will tell the same story. However, I’m not here to argue this point because it is pointless but again Orlando doesn’t do this deal.

The facts are that Phoenix doesn’t have many options and every team in the NBA is waiting for their inevitable implosion.

Orlando is looking forward to their Phoenix pick conveying next year.

Well when you're playing 15mpg or so I guess you can do more with less lol. Meanwhile Greyson put in 34mpg last year and led the league 3s and he's putting in 27mpg or so this year.

I'm sure you will be hoping for that pick as Isaac will be a likely albatross of a deal. If he can't play or keep his same defensive versatility (not an easy thing as he relays on his athleticism).

Greyson won't forget how to shoot.

It’s Grayson.

Good thing for Orlando then that most of Isaac’s deal is un-guaranteed and carries an exhibit 3 clause that protects them against another injury on his knee

You’re derailing this post out of ego, I have nothing against Allen nor Orlando acquiring him as he will obviously fit a big need. Let’s try to keep it civil.

[jredsaz]

Grayson makes $15.6M

Isaac has a balloon first year salary of $25M

So no, not legal and also Orlando wouldn’t do this.

Cole + Houstan + x4 SRP’s seems a little more pliable. Don’t think Orlando would be willing to trade a FRP.

Not sure Orlando willingly helps Phoenix get better as the have vested interest in them doing bad.

I think a huge pile of crap for Grayson Allen is not a good offer. If an Isaac for Allen swap worked under CBA, Magic would be all over it. Allen is just a better, more reliable player.

You’re entitled to think that, but Isaac is light years better defender than Allen is a shooter.

More reliable, absolutely. However, in their respective role they each play Isaac is the more impactful player. Advanced metrics will tell the same story. However, I’m not here to argue this point because it is pointless but again Orlando doesn’t do this deal.

The facts are that Phoenix doesn’t have many options and every team in the NBA is waiting for their inevitable implosion.

Orlando is looking forward to their Phoenix pick conveying next year.

Man if it makes you feel better to take shots at the Suns, go for it. They could find themselves in a tough situation in the next couple of years. That doesn’t mean Johnathan Isaac is a better player than Grayson Allen. Or more valuable. Not sure what advanced stats you’re looking at but it’s completely logical for a team struggling with 3P shooting and a surplus of plus defenders to move some of that defense for shooting.

[Slim Charless]

You’re entitled to think that, but Isaac is light years better defender than Allen is a shooter.

More reliable, absolutely. However, in their respective role they each play Isaac is the more impactful player. Advanced metrics will tell the same story. However, I’m not here to argue this point because it is pointless but again Orlando doesn’t do this deal.

The facts are that Phoenix doesn’t have many options and every team in the NBA is waiting for their inevitable implosion.

Orlando is looking forward to their Phoenix pick conveying next year.

Well when you're playing 15mpg or so I guess you can do more with less lol. Meanwhile Greyson put in 34mpg last year and led the league 3s and he's putting in 27mpg or so this year.

I'm sure you will be hoping for that pick as Isaac will be a likely albatross of a deal. If he can't play or keep his same defensive versatility (not an easy thing as he relays on his athleticism).

Greyson won't forget how to shoot.

It’s Grayson.

Good thing for Orlando then that most of Isaac’s deal is un-guaranteed and carries an exhibit 3 clause that protects them against another injury on his knee

You’re derailing this post out of ego, I have nothing against Allen nor Orlando acquiring him as he will obviously fit a big need. Let’s try to keep it civil.

You're the one that said all of that. Doesn't seem the most civil.....


For my part, I have nothing against you guys. Rooting for y'all vs Boston, MIL and CLV when you meet in the playoffs.

[M-C-G]

You’re entitled to think that, but Isaac is light years better defender than Allen is a shooter.

More reliable, absolutely. However, in their respective role they each play Isaac is the more impactful player. Advanced metrics will tell the same story. However, I’m not here to argue this point because it is pointless but again Orlando doesn’t do this deal.

The facts are that Phoenix doesn’t have many options and every team in the NBA is waiting for their inevitable implosion.

Orlando is looking forward to their Phoenix pick conveying next year.

Well when you're playing 15mpg or so I guess you can do more with less lol. Meanwhile Greyson put in 34mpg last year and led the league 3s and he's putting in 27mpg or so this year.

I'm sure you will be hoping for that pick as Isaac will be a likely albatross of a deal. If he can't play or keep his same defensive versatility (not an easy thing as he relays on his athleticism).

Greyson won't forget how to shoot.

It’s Grayson.

Good thing for Orlando then that most of Isaac’s deal is un-guaranteed and carries an exhibit 3 clause that protects them against another injury on his knee

You’re derailing this post out of ego, I have nothing against Allen nor Orlando acquiring him as he will obviously fit a big need. Let’s try to keep it civil.

Side question, how do the Magic fans value Isaac at this point, neutral, slightly + or - ?

I think he would be an intriguing option for MKE

[Magic_Johnny12]

Well when you're playing 15mpg or so I guess you can do more with less lol. Meanwhile Greyson put in 34mpg last year and led the league 3s and he's putting in 27mpg or so this year.

I'm sure you will be hoping for that pick as Isaac will be a likely albatross of a deal. If he can't play or keep his same defensive versatility (not an easy thing as he relays on his athleticism).

Greyson won't forget how to shoot.

It’s Grayson.

Good thing for Orlando then that most of Isaac’s deal is un-guaranteed and carries an exhibit 3 clause that protects them against another injury on his knee

You’re derailing this post out of ego, I have nothing against Allen nor Orlando acquiring him as he will obviously fit a big need. Let’s try to keep it civil.

Side question, how do the Magic fans value Isaac at this point, neutral, slightly + or - ?

I think he would be an intriguing option for MKE

Definitely having a down season regarding his overall game, but this year is a weird year to really analyze not only for him but for everyone simply due to all the injuries, different lineups, roles etc. However, his defense is still elite and in the top 1% in almost all advanced metrics.

In addition to that and despite popular belief, he’s actually been relatively healthy and has been playing B2B games. The coaching staff has put a plan in motion to try to cap his minutes to 20m a night to preserve his body for the playoffs and it’s working (this doesn’t mean he can’t play more as he has several times this year).

He knows his role and plays it well, last night he was a game changer and his defense single handily won us the game.

His value is obviously more to Orlando than any other team, Mo Wagner going down makes it hard to believe that Orlando moves him this season.

Any team acquiring him would only be interested in his defense, so through that lens he has to be treated as an elite defensive specialist. There’s literally no risk involved given his contract and clauses in his contract that protects any team from another injury.

[M-C-G]

It’s Grayson.

Good thing for Orlando then that most of Isaac’s deal is un-guaranteed and carries an exhibit 3 clause that protects them against another injury on his knee

You’re derailing this post out of ego, I have nothing against Allen nor Orlando acquiring him as he will obviously fit a big need. Let’s try to keep it civil.

Side question, how do the Magic fans value Isaac at this point, neutral, slightly + or - ?

I think he would be an intriguing option for MKE

Definitely having a down season regarding his overall game, but this year is a weird year to really analyze not only for him but for everyone simply due to all the injuries, different lineups, roles etc. However, his defense is still elite and in the top 1% in almost all advanced metrics.

In addition to that and despite popular belief, he’s actually been relatively healthy and has been playing B2B games. The coaching staff has put a plan in motion to try to cap his minutes to 20m a night to preserve his body for the playoffs and it’s working (this doesn’t mean he can’t play more as he has several times this year).

He knows his role and plays it well, last night he was a game changer and his defense single handily won us the game.

His value is obviously more to Orlando than any other team, Mo Wagner going down makes it hard to believe that Orlando moves him this season.

Any team acquiring him would only be interested in his defense, so through that lens he has to be treated as an elite defensive specialist. There’s literally no risk involved given his contract and clauses in his contract that protects any team from another injury.

So for discussion, let’s say RoLo on his expiring deal was a match. Assuming it was a 1 for 1 how do you see the value (which we are not able to do because of second apron)

[OrlandoDream]

Orlando isnt trading JI for a Grayson. It has to be in package for better player coming back. Front office also loves JI and was Weltmans first pick. He just extended him this offseason to a very reasonable contract. We can def use Graysons shooting but not at the cost of JI.