RS 24/25 - Mavs vs Celtics (Sat 5:30PM EST)

[Bob8]

From an article.

Klay is averaging 11.9 points per game while shooting 37.9 percent from the field and 34.2 percent from downtown in games without Doncic, and the quality of shots that he gets is much lower when Doncic is sidelined


With Doncic in the lineup, Thompson is averaging 14.9 points while shooting 43.4 percent from the field and 40.6 percent from downtown. As shown by these stats, Thompson is much more effective with Doncic on the floor with him. Doncic is always looking to get Thompson open looks behind the arc, and his on-ball gravity and unreal playmaking are a perfect fit next to Thompson. Doncic is the best playmaker that Thompson has ever played with, and he has been getting some of the best shots of his career when Dallas uses him correctly and emphasizes getting him involved with off-ball actions.

The duo of Thompson and Doncic posts a 120 offensive rating when they are on the floor together

What else would you like to know?

I believe something must be going on, Kyrie has made 1 assists to Klay in last 16 games. Kyrie is not Pg and is having tunnel vision sometimes, but that's still extreme. Klay is averaging only 7 shots in last 5 games. His FA should have been going considerably up with half of roster missing, but they plunged instead. Kleber for example is averaging 4.5 shots in last 5 games. I don't believe that's only because of Luka being out. We're not knowing something.

Maybe teammates have lost patience and trust on him. lol

That's why 0/6 Kleber got 2 shots more against Celtics in just 11 minutes? They trust him a lot more?

[GermanFan120]

I believe something must be going on, Kyrie has made 1 assists to Klay in last 16 games. Kyrie is not Pg and is having tunnel vision sometimes, but that's still extreme. Klay is averaging only 7 shots in last 5 games. His FA should have been going considerably up with half of roster missing, but they plunged instead. Kleber for example is averaging 4.5 shots in last 5 games. I don't believe that's only because of Luka being out. We're not knowing something.

Maybe teammates have lost patience and trust on him. lol

That's why 0/6 Kleber got 2 shots more against Celtics in just 11 minutes? They trust him a lot more?

When you are THAT open? Come on!

[Bob8]

Maybe teammates have lost patience and trust on him. lol

That's why 0/6 Kleber got 2 shots more against Celtics in just 11 minutes? They trust him a lot more?

When you are THAT open? Come on!

You don't want Kleber to shoot even in warmup. Kleber has made 13 3s in the whole season.

[GermanFan120]

That's why 0/6 Kleber got 2 shots more against Celtics in just 11 minutes? They trust him a lot more?

When you are THAT open? Come on!

You don't want Kleber to shoot even in warmup. Kleber has made 13 3s in the whole season.

There are certainly people who want Kleber to shoot more! The opponents!

[Bob8]

When you are THAT open? Come on!

You don't want Kleber to shoot even in warmup. Kleber has made 13 3s in the whole season.

There are certainly people who want Kleber to shoot more! The opponents!

Yes they are. That's why I find extremely strange Klay shooting 4x in 26 minutes and Kleber 6 in 11 minutes. Teams normally are not solely dictated by opponents what to do. And preparing shots for a good shooter is not that difficult either. If relationships between Kidd/Kyrie and Klay is broken, then they should trade him as soon as possible. If Kyrie and Kidd are so incompetent that they can't involve Klay more than we're ****.

[41Dirk41]

Kidd is bad, therefore he is the reason Klay has not been effective or any good?

Was Klay effective last year with better coach and better offense scheme? Was GSW a joke or contender last year?

0 point in his last GSW game ladies and gentlemen.

From an article.

Klay is averaging 11.9 points per game while shooting 37.9 percent from the field and 34.2 percent from downtown in games without Doncic, and the quality of shots that he gets is much lower when Doncic is sidelined


With Doncic in the lineup, Thompson is averaging 14.9 points while shooting 43.4 percent from the field and 40.6 percent from downtown. As shown by these stats, Thompson is much more effective with Doncic on the floor with him. Doncic is always looking to get Thompson open looks behind the arc, and his on-ball gravity and unreal playmaking are a perfect fit next to Thompson. Doncic is the best playmaker that Thompson has ever played with, and he has been getting some of the best shots of his career when Dallas uses him correctly and emphasizes getting him involved with off-ball actions.

The duo of Thompson and Doncic posts a 120 offensive rating when they are on the floor together

What else would you like to know?

I believe something must be going on, Kyrie has made 1 assists to Klay in last 16 games. Kyrie is not Pg and is having tunnel vision sometimes, but that's still extreme. Klay is averaging only 7 shots in last 5 games. His FA should have been going considerably up with half of roster missing, but they plunged instead. Kleber for example is averaging 4.5 shots in last 5 games. I don't believe that's only because of Luka being out. We're not knowing something.

Yes probably you are right, something is broken.

But the worst part is trade for Klay and give him to a coach who can't drawn 1 single play for him...

[Bob8]

From an article.

Klay is averaging 11.9 points per game while shooting 37.9 percent from the field and 34.2 percent from downtown in games without Doncic, and the quality of shots that he gets is much lower when Doncic is sidelined


With Doncic in the lineup, Thompson is averaging 14.9 points while shooting 43.4 percent from the field and 40.6 percent from downtown. As shown by these stats, Thompson is much more effective with Doncic on the floor with him. Doncic is always looking to get Thompson open looks behind the arc, and his on-ball gravity and unreal playmaking are a perfect fit next to Thompson. Doncic is the best playmaker that Thompson has ever played with, and he has been getting some of the best shots of his career when Dallas uses him correctly and emphasizes getting him involved with off-ball actions.

The duo of Thompson and Doncic posts a 120 offensive rating when they are on the floor together

What else would you like to know?

I believe something must be going on, Kyrie has made 1 assists to Klay in last 16 games. Kyrie is not Pg and is having tunnel vision sometimes, but that's still extreme. Klay is averaging only 7 shots in last 5 games. His FA should have been going considerably up with half of roster missing, but they plunged instead. Kleber for example is averaging 4.5 shots in last 5 games. I don't believe that's only because of Luka being out. We're not knowing something.

Yes probably you are right, something is broken.

But the worst part is trade for Klay and give him to a coach who can't drawn 1 single play for him...

Sure but look at last 3 Klay's games. 7/5/4 FA, every game less, and he was shooting well for 3 in those games, that's hardly coincidental.

[joesha1698]

You don't want Kleber to shoot even in warmup. Kleber has made 13 3s in the whole season.

There are certainly people who want Kleber to shoot more! The opponents!

Yes they are. That's why I find extremely strange Klay shooting 4x in 26 minutes and Kleber 6 in 11 minutes. Teams normally are not solely dictated by opponents what to do. And preparing shots for a good shooter is not that difficult either. If relationships between Kidd/Kyrie and Klay is broken, then they should trade him as soon as possible. If Kyrie and Kidd are so incompetent that they can't involve Klay more than we're ****.

I donno. Maybe Klay just sucks or maybe his personality sucks? He was having a issues with GS and left them. Until we hear otherwise, this is just speculation.

[Bob8]

There are certainly people who want Kleber to shoot more! The opponents!

Yes they are. That's why I find extremely strange Klay shooting 4x in 26 minutes and Kleber 6 in 11 minutes. Teams normally are not solely dictated by opponents what to do. And preparing shots for a good shooter is not that difficult either. If relationships between Kidd/Kyrie and Klay is broken, then they should trade him as soon as possible. If Kyrie and Kidd are so incompetent that they can't involve Klay more than we're ****.

I donno. Maybe Klay just sucks or maybe his personality sucks? He was having a issues with GS and left them. Until we hear otherwise, this is just speculation.

He sucks so much that Kyrie can't made an assist to him?

[41Dirk41]

I believe something must be going on, Kyrie has made 1 assists to Klay in last 16 games. Kyrie is not Pg and is having tunnel vision sometimes, but that's still extreme. Klay is averaging only 7 shots in last 5 games. His FA should have been going considerably up with half of roster missing, but they plunged instead. Kleber for example is averaging 4.5 shots in last 5 games. I don't believe that's only because of Luka being out. We're not knowing something.

Yes probably you are right, something is broken.

But the worst part is trade for Klay and give him to a coach who can't drawn 1 single play for him...

Sure but look at last 3 Klay's games. 7/5/4 FA, every game less, and he was shooting well for 3 in those games, that's hardly coincidental.

I didn't see nothing with Kyrie honestly but for sure with Dinwiddie... The problem is that Dinwiddie is close to Kidd&Kyrie so it's hard for Klay now.

But Luka seems to love him... So who knows.

If we use him like last games so trade him ASAP, it's useless.

But even ESPN noticed how bad he is used here so it's pretty clear.

[Bob8]

Yes probably you are right, something is broken.

But the worst part is trade for Klay and give him to a coach who can't drawn 1 single play for him...

Sure but look at last 3 Klay's games. 7/5/4 FA, every game less, and he was shooting well for 3 in those games, that's hardly coincidental.

I didn't see nothing with Kyrie honestly but for sure with Dinwiddie... The problem is that Dinwiddie is close to Kidd&Kyrie so it's hard for Klay now.

But Luka seems to love him... So who knows.

If we use him like last games so trade him ASAP, it's useless.

But even ESPN noticed how bad he is used here so it's pretty clear.

Don't you think that Kyrie could have involved him more, if he wanted? 1 assist in games Luka was out?

[41Dirk41]

Sure but look at last 3 Klay's games. 7/5/4 FA, every game less, and he was shooting well for 3 in those games, that's hardly coincidental.

I didn't see nothing with Kyrie honestly but for sure with Dinwiddie... The problem is that Dinwiddie is close to Kidd&Kyrie so it's hard for Klay now.

But Luka seems to love him... So who knows.

If we use him like last games so trade him ASAP, it's useless.

But even ESPN noticed how bad he is used here so it's pretty clear.

Don't you think that Kyrie could have involved him more, if he wanted? 1 assist in games Luka was out?

Yes of course but I didn't see Kyrie clearly ignoring him... Kyrie didn't involved a lot of guys last games, he just played great ISOs indeed he averaged 4 assists per game in this stretch.

[GermanFan120]

Yes they are. That's why I find extremely strange Klay shooting 4x in 26 minutes and Kleber 6 in 11 minutes. Teams normally are not solely dictated by opponents what to do. And preparing shots for a good shooter is not that difficult either. If relationships between Kidd/Kyrie and Klay is broken, then they should trade him as soon as possible. If Kyrie and Kidd are so incompetent that they can't involve Klay more than we're ****.

I donno. Maybe Klay just sucks or maybe his personality sucks? He was having a issues with GS and left them. Until we hear otherwise, this is just speculation.

Klay's shots don't even look good. I think it's a confidence vs ego issue.

He sucks so much that Kyrie can't made an assist to him?

[Bob8]

I donno. Maybe Klay just sucks or maybe his personality sucks? He was having a issues with GS and left them. Until we hear otherwise, this is just speculation.

Klay's shots don't even look good. I think it's a confidence vs ego issue.

He sucks so much that Kyrie can't made an assist to him?

I don't know how his shots look, but I know that only Hardy has better % for 3 in January and Klay has made the most 3s in January. But you're saying not enough for teammates to trust him.

[41Dirk41]

If the main arguments of the experts are "he doesn't pass my eye test" or "Klay shots don't even look good" probably the problem is not Klay... But who knows.

[Bob8]

If the main arguments of the experts are "he doesn't pass my eye test" or "Klay shots don't even look good" probably the problem is not Klay... But who knows.

It's quite hilarious, Mavs are shooting disastrous for 3 in January, Kyrie included, only 32%, but problem is Klay, who's shooting 39%.

[Archx]

Not passing to one of the best shooters of all time or run screens for him. This is such a wild discussion.

Are most people here too young to remember how Pacers ran screens for Reggie Miller (just to give a quick example)?

Is Kidd really so incompetent that he can not try to at least run couple of double screens for Klay? You have Gafford and Pj on the floor at the same time, with just a slight imagination you could use one of them as a decoy and get either Klay open, PJ on the other side of the screen or Gafford sliding to the rim. Just right of the top of my head you could create 3 opportunities to score some easy buckets.

Instead, Mavs offense hasn't changed. Dinwiddie is trying to play like Luka, Grimes is more in attack mode but was still game high negative with -20 and we even saw Maxi trying to drive for past couple of games... That's what is new, just the result is much worse than ever.

[Archx]

In his last 2 games, Klay played a total of 56 mins & got just 38 total touches - 21 touches in the 29.5 mins played vs. the Hornets & 17 touches in the 26.5 mins played vs. the Celtics. The only player to touch the ball less vs the Celtics was Kessler Edwards who had 14 touches in 12.5 mins.


Minutes & touches for all Mavs in those two games:

vs. Hornets (Mavs scored 105 pts)

-Kyrie - 40.5 mins; 81 touches

-Dinwiddie - 30.5 mins; 59 touches

-Naji - 32 mins; 57 touches

-PJ - 30 mins; 53 touches

-Gafford - 33.5 mins; 51 touches

-OMax - 19.5 mins; 25 touches

-Klay - 29.5 mins; 21 touches (Klay went 2/5 overall and 1/2 from 3; second 3PA came with 3 seconds left in the game)

-Maxi - 14.5 mins; 16 touches

-Kessler Edwards - 9.5 mins; 9 touches

vs. Celtics (Mavs scored 107 pts)

-PJ - 40.5 mins; 71 touches

-Kyrie - 42 mins; 67 touches

-Gafford - 33 mins; 50 touches

-Dinwiddie - 26.5 mins; 44 touches

-Grimes - 26 mins; 38 touches

-Hardy - 15.5 mins; 24 touches

Maxi - 11 mins; 23 touches

-Klay - 26.5 mins; 17 touches (Klay went 2/4 overall and 2/3 from 3)

-Kessler Edwards - 12.5 mins; 14 touches


Despite receiving just 17 touches yesterday against the Celtics, he was as locked in as ever on the defensive end, allowing just 2 pts to be scored in the 54.7 partial possessions he defended.

[41Dirk41]

Yes klay defense was damn good lately...

[41Dirk41]

If the main arguments of the experts are "he doesn't pass my eye test" or "Klay shots don't even look good" probably the problem is not Klay... But who knows.

It's quite hilarious, Mavs are shooting disastrous for 3 in January, Kyrie included, only 32%, but problem is Klay, who's shooting 39%.

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