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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 

Post#421 » by Fierce1 » Sat Jan 25, 2025 1:55 pm

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ThePigeon wrote:Jrue will be missed in the playoff so I wouldn't trade him. He seems injured so he needs to get 2 weeks off to get his body close to 100%. Don't forget he had a very long summer - like JT and White. Against LAL his injury was apparent - missing at the basket alone (twice), unforced TO and sub par defense. This is not true Jrue

Springer found his footing and can play, at least on defense. He can replace the time Jrue needs to heal. After Jrue, send White to rehabilitate.

I would trade PP and Queta right now. They are the only bench players that have some value. PP could be replaced with Lonnie. When he is being guarded he barely produces, so I don't think he is the answer from the bench in the playoff.
Queta, who I like, will not be better than a 4th string center. We need more

If I can get Kessler for 2 1sts - I'll do it. He instantly becomes our best rebounder and defensive big on our team

With the contract PP has, he's not going anywhere.

I would love to get Kessler, but I don't think the Jazz are serious about trading him.

And Queta is so cheap, just keep him for insurance.


I think the only move DA makes is trading Collins. Clarkson's foot injury is gonna make teams wary of making that move. I wonder if the ping pong balls finally bounce the right way for DA this year?

Kessler-Flagg-Lauri would be a fun frontcourt to stay up late to watch. :D

True.

That would be must watch tv for sure.
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 

Post#422 » by playa-hater » Sat Jan 25, 2025 5:24 pm

One "rumor" I am buying is Kessler straight up for Dalton Knecht. Think that has a legit chance of happening.
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 

Post#423 » by Fierce1 » Sun Jan 26, 2025 5:46 am

Amir Coffey is really worth a 1st round pick.

He's a guy that Joe would play.

Less minutes for Hauser and Luke if the Cs get Coffey.
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 

Post#424 » by playa-hater » Sun Jan 26, 2025 6:35 am

So my guy Julian Champagnie of SAS is down to 18ish minutes per game (11 and 17 last 2) since the return of D Vassell. Still think he would be D White Lite for Boston in a trade. Still think he might be had for a 1st rder. Especially since SAS still has talented Keldon Johnson coming off the bench as well.

Have major doubts Joe would play him accordingly. Unless Brad stepped in and demanded it though. whatever. Doubt I get the upgrade I am looking for. It really all comes down to the legendary "turn on switch" I keep hearing Boston will have.

And No JC wouldn't be my Hauser replacement. He would be my Kill the double Big lineup and play more switchable defenders who can shoot better.
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 

Post#425 » by Fierce1 » Sun Jan 26, 2025 6:50 am

Julian Champagnie can play PF, so yeah, it's possible he will be taking away minutes from Luke.

I also like JC.
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Post#426 » by 165bows » Sun Jan 26, 2025 1:44 pm

Those two and Yabs, that’s pretty much the extent of the dream list at this point lol.
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 

Post#427 » by brackdan70 » Sun Jan 26, 2025 4:06 pm

phincsfan wrote:A championship this year with no moves at the deadline and I’m completely fine with being boring and running it back with the same core (including a new deal for Al). Keep both picks or make some moves with those picks. Move XMan for cap relief. Other than that business as usual. Go for the dynasty label.

A back to back IMO solidifies JT and JB’s Celtic lore. A back to back championship gives a team the chance to say “only 6 organizations have done this”. In stone as GREAT!!

The sale of the team may create a hurdle if it’s an outside party or they may not skip a beat if it’s a group led by Pags. But, I definitely think the payroll will be asked to be tweaked.

- KP is the obvious contract that people want to move because it’s gonna be 30mil and expiring. IMO, it’s worthless because of the price and his injury history.
- Jrue is the other obvious contract that people want to move because of his age, price and the length of the contract. IMO, we wouldn’t get a young player or quality draft picks because of his age, price and length. I think his contract is movable in the 26’ offseason.
- The player and contract that I’m gonna throw out there that I believe has the most value based on age, price and length is White’s. IMO, White can get the C’s a quality player and draft picks.

Someone earlier mentioned how the Lakers and Celtics are rarely trade partners. Rivals who don’t want to help each other. But these Lakers are a little different because of LeBron James. As long as he still thinks he can compete and play he has lots of say with whatever team he’s on. If he thinks that he can play for 4 more years than does he care if he’s getting a 30 year old or a 21 year old teammate in a trade? If he thinks he can win with that player than that’s all that counts. Does LA really care about draft picks?

On the flip side the Celtics should do the same scouting they did when they traded for White. A young player on the upswing with a team friendly contract with the chance to eventually resign.

Remember that LA just like NY is all about optics. They don’t care about homegrown talent, they want the shiny thing that can help them win now. NY gave up 4 unprotected picks for Bridges.

Lakers get Derrick White

Celtics get Austin Reaves, rights to Clips 25’ 2nd, LAL swap 2026 1st with C’s , LAL 26’ 2nd and LAL 28’ unprotected 1st.


Reaves is definitely a young player on the upswing with a friendly contract who would fit in right away. 14mil is cut from the payroll next year getting closer to getting under the projected 208mil 2nd apron number for the 25/26 season.

Reaves has a player option for the 26/27 season and he'd most likely cost a pretty penny. At that point if he turns out to be a one year rental at least they would have picked up a couple of 1st's and the payroll would be 30mil less because White's contract was moved. If he continues to play well Jrue's contract may be a little easier to move because of it's shorter length.

25/26
KP-JT-JB-Reaves-Jrue
AL-Neems-Sam-PP-Walsh-Drew-Rico-Anton-whatever draftees from this year

Based on impact stats, White is a top 20 guy and his Contract is very team friendly for that type of player . I think you are spot on that he carries a lot of value. That trade to the lakers makes them a contender and the Celtics not so much. Are you looking at this as an offseason trade? I definitely don’t like it as a deadline trade and am pretty lukewarm for the off season.

Lakers are right at the second Apron so they can’t really take back additional salary anyway, and unless LeBron retires they will be over next season.
So Celtics need to take back more Salary in either scenario.
I do like the idea of have some Lakers picks though, but if White is on that team they lose a lot of value.
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 

Post#428 » by phincsfan » Sun Jan 26, 2025 4:37 pm

brackdan70 wrote:
phincsfan wrote:A championship this year with no moves at the deadline and I’m completely fine with being boring and running it back with the same core (including a new deal for Al). Keep both picks or make some moves with those picks. Move XMan for cap relief. Other than that business as usual. Go for the dynasty label.

A back to back IMO solidifies JT and JB’s Celtic lore. A back to back championship gives a team the chance to say “only 6 organizations have done this”. In stone as GREAT!!

The sale of the team may create a hurdle if it’s an outside party or they may not skip a beat if it’s a group led by Pags. But, I definitely think the payroll will be asked to be tweaked.

- KP is the obvious contract that people want to move because it’s gonna be 30mil and expiring. IMO, it’s worthless because of the price and his injury history.
- Jrue is the other obvious contract that people want to move because of his age, price and the length of the contract. IMO, we wouldn’t get a young player or quality draft picks because of his age, price and length. I think his contract is movable in the 26’ offseason.
- The player and contract that I’m gonna throw out there that I believe has the most value based on age, price and length is White’s. IMO, White can get the C’s a quality player and draft picks.

Someone earlier mentioned how the Lakers and Celtics are rarely trade partners. Rivals who don’t want to help each other. But these Lakers are a little different because of LeBron James. As long as he still thinks he can compete and play he has lots of say with whatever team he’s on. If he thinks that he can play for 4 more years than does he care if he’s getting a 30 year old or a 21 year old teammate in a trade? If he thinks he can win with that player than that’s all that counts. Does LA really care about draft picks?

On the flip side the Celtics should do the same scouting they did when they traded for White. A young player on the upswing with a team friendly contract with the chance to eventually resign.

Remember that LA just like NY is all about optics. They don’t care about homegrown talent, they want the shiny thing that can help them win now. NY gave up 4 unprotected picks for Bridges.

Lakers get Derrick White

Celtics get Austin Reaves, rights to Clips 25’ 2nd, LAL swap 2026 1st with C’s , LAL 26’ 2nd and LAL 28’ unprotected 1st.


Reaves is definitely a young player on the upswing with a friendly contract who would fit in right away. 14mil is cut from the payroll next year getting closer to getting under the projected 208mil 2nd apron number for the 25/26 season.

Reaves has a player option for the 26/27 season and he'd most likely cost a pretty penny. At that point if he turns out to be a one year rental at least they would have picked up a couple of 1st's and the payroll would be 30mil less because White's contract was moved. If he continues to play well Jrue's contract may be a little easier to move because of it's shorter length.

25/26
KP-JT-JB-Reaves-Jrue
AL-Neems-Sam-PP-Walsh-Drew-Rico-Anton-whatever draftees from this year

Based on impact stats, White is a top 20 guy and his Contract is very team friendly for that type of player . I think you are spot on that he carries a lot of value. That trade to the lakers makes them a contender and the Celtics not so much. Are you looking at this as an offseason trade? I definitely don’t like it as a deadline trade and am pretty lukewarm for the off season.

Lakers are right at the second Apron so they can’t really take back additional salary anyway, and unless LeBron retires they will be over next season.
So Celtics need to take back more Salary in either scenario.
I do like the idea of have some Lakers picks though, but if White is on that team they lose a lot of value.


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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 

Post#429 » by ConstableGeneva » Sun Jan 26, 2025 9:10 pm

I still want Jokic as midseason acquisition (without losing Tatum). Would help us contend right away. Hope Brad can pull it off.
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Post#430 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Sun Jan 26, 2025 10:23 pm

I'd be willing to do Tatum/Porzingis/4 Unprotected Firsts, 3 Pick Swaps for Jokic and whomever.

I think if you had Jokic, Brown and White, you're likely favored to win the Championship.
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Post#431 » by Fierce1 » Sun Jan 26, 2025 11:28 pm

bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:I'd be willing to do Tatum/Porzingis/4 Unprotected Firsts, 3 Pick Swaps for Jokic and whomever.

I think if you had Jokic, Brown and White, you're likely favored to win the Championship.

You will change your mind once Tatum and the Celtics will be going for Banner 20.
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Post#432 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Mon Jan 27, 2025 1:20 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:I'd be willing to do Tatum/Porzingis/4 Unprotected Firsts, 3 Pick Swaps for Jokic and whomever.

I think if you had Jokic, Brown and White, you're likely favored to win the Championship.

You will change your mind once Tatum and the Celtics will be going for Banner 20.


Well, that indeed would change my mind. :)
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Post#433 » by 31to6 » Mon Jan 27, 2025 3:49 pm

leper-con wrote:In my opinion we need all new bigs, this constant rotation of in/out is causing havoc.

next year we need to add a starter big worth his salt .


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Post#434 » by playa-hater » Mon Jan 27, 2025 4:12 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:I still want Jokic as midseason acquisition (without losing Tatum). Would help us contend right away. Hope Brad can pull it off.


Kornet?? about same size and speed. Kornet's vertical is one inch higher, I believe. Denver could save a ton of money as well.

Sadly, though we would never see the legendary Kornet contest in Celtic green again. :(
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Post#435 » by Fierce1 » Mon Jan 27, 2025 4:14 pm

Isaiah Thomas signing with Jazz G League team.
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Post#436 » by 31to6 » Mon Jan 27, 2025 7:35 pm

Fierce1 wrote:Isaiah Thomas signing with Jazz G League team.


IT'll be 36 in two weeks.
I'll always love him for the good times he had in Boston.
I'll never resent someone grinding until there's no hope left.
5'9" and hurt is such a tough place to be.
Thank goodness we're finally clear of anyone asking for the Cs to bring him back.
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Post#437 » by shackles10 » Mon Jan 27, 2025 7:43 pm

31to6 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Isaiah Thomas signing with Jazz G League team.


IT'll be 36 in two weeks.
I'll always love him for the good times he had in Boston.
I'll never resent someone grinding until there's no hope left.
5'9" and hurt is such a tough place to be.
Thank goodness we're finally clear of anyone asking for the Cs to bring him back.
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I wouldn't be so sure of that. If Lonnie Walker signs anywhere else IT will probably be brought up again. Admittedly I'll want to be interested, but not enough to type the words even.
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Post#438 » by 165bows » Mon Jan 27, 2025 8:47 pm

shackles10 wrote:
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Fierce1 wrote:Isaiah Thomas signing with Jazz G League team.


IT'll be 36 in two weeks.
I'll always love him for the good times he had in Boston.
I'll never resent someone grinding until there's no hope left.
5'9" and hurt is such a tough place to be.
Thank goodness we're finally clear of anyone asking for the Cs to bring him back.
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I wouldn't be so sure of that. If Lonnie Walker signs anywhere else IT will probably be brought up again. Admittedly I'll want to be interested, but not enough to type the words even.

Can we bring 27 year old IT back? I know he had some limitations but man, fun fun player at the time. Tough as hell to do what he did at that size.

36 year old one is a no but I think Joe Bazooka would appreciate how hard he played back in the day.
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Post#439 » by Celts17Pride » Mon Jan 27, 2025 9:08 pm

I'm a big IT guy but I would give 22 year old JD Davison a shot before I gave 36 year old IT a shot. That ship has sailed.
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Post#440 » by djFan71 » Mon Jan 27, 2025 9:11 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:I'm a big IT guy but I would give 22 year old JD Davison a shot before I gave 36 year old IT a shot. That ship has sailed.

Ehh... the strikeout isn't as clear as I hoped. But you get the idea.

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