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I keep coming back to a duop reath trade for added size .
Any other cheapish big (salary) that we can add for this season and next ?
Any other cheapish big (salary) that we can add for this season and next ?
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Like others here, I feel like OKC needs one more trade before the deadline. Personally I feel it’s to consolidate and get a third ball handler/shot creator, probably off of the bench.
Not as worried about size. If Chet/iHart aren’t good to go for the playoffs, then we’re screwed anyways. I just don’t quite trust JDub to be the only other ball handler in a 7 game series… sounds like others feel the same way? I don’t think it does his game any favors to have all that creation pressure.
Thunder may be stacked, but Shai still needs a little help. Defense alone can’t win a championship in the current NBA.
Edit— I have no idea what that trade should be.
Not as worried about size. If Chet/iHart aren’t good to go for the playoffs, then we’re screwed anyways. I just don’t quite trust JDub to be the only other ball handler in a 7 game series… sounds like others feel the same way? I don’t think it does his game any favors to have all that creation pressure.
Thunder may be stacked, but Shai still needs a little help. Defense alone can’t win a championship in the current NBA.
Edit— I have no idea what that trade should be.
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My fever dream is Booker. But the Suns may not fall apart for a year or two.
As far as players that are on actually on the market, I still like the idea of Fox. The handful of games I've seen have me excited about the potential fit. Otherwise I'm pretty 'meh' on the deadline.
As far as players that are on actually on the market, I still like the idea of Fox. The handful of games I've seen have me excited about the potential fit. Otherwise I'm pretty 'meh' on the deadline.
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cjmcallist wrote:As far as players that are on actually on the market, I still like the idea of Fox. The handful of games I've seen have me excited about the potential fit. Otherwise I'm pretty 'meh' on the deadline.
Fox is a no for the same reason Steph Curry is a no. OKC isn't taking on a $34M contract. Are you matching with Dort and Joe? Are you matching with Joe, Wiggins, Kenrich and Dieng? I'm not knocking the idea of Fox as a player, but the salary matching is problematic. This is why I was screaming incompetence when Presti refused to sign anyone to the room MLE in the off-season to open up possible in-season trades. That would be a $9M contract to move. Then you could potentially take a shot at a veteran playmaker who would like to take a shot at ring and has good history in OKC. I'm specifically thinking of CP3 who is currently in SA and they are going nowhere this year and would probably be open to moving him. You could also use that contract with Kenrich and Dieng for a bigger contract without sacrificing rotation pieces. Given the number of draft picks Presti has to dangle the salary matching was always going to be the issue with adding a significant piece at the deadline not the ability to give value. It would have created options for OKC, but Presti didn't want options because he never had any intentions of making a move to correct any roster flaws despite what the season showed that the team needed.
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How about adding Bobby Portis, if he is included in a Lavine-Trade and the Bulls don't have any use of him? Dieng and Jones should be enough. Portis would provide size and shooting, the move would free up the rosterspot we need for Ajay and Portis then-expiering contract could be a nice trade chip in the summer or at the TDL 2026.
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Woerzboerg wrote:How about adding Bobby Portis, if he is included in a Lavine-Trade and the Bulls don't have any use of him? Dieng and Jones should be enough. Portis would provide size and shooting, the move would free up the rosterspot we need for Ajay and Portis then-expiering contract could be a nice trade chip in the summer or at the TDL 2026.
Why would MKE do that?
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Kizz Fastfists wrote:cjmcallist wrote:As far as players that are on actually on the market, I still like the idea of Fox. The handful of games I've seen have me excited about the potential fit. Otherwise I'm pretty 'meh' on the deadline.
Fox is a no for the same reason Steph Curry is a no. OKC isn't taking on a $34M contract. Are you matching with Dort and Joe? Are you matching with Joe, Wiggins, Kenrich and Dieng? I'm not knocking the idea of Fox as a player, but the salary matching is problematic. This is why I was screaming incompetence when Presti refused to sign anyone to the room MLE in the off-season to open up possible in-season trades. That would be a $9M contract to move. Then you could potentially take a shot at a veteran playmaker who would like to take a shot at ring and has good history in OKC. I'm specifically thinking of CP3 who is currently in SA and they are going nowhere this year and would probably be open to moving him. You could also use that contract with Kenrich and Dieng for a bigger contract without sacrificing rotation pieces. Given the number of draft picks Presti has to dangle the salary matching was always going to be the issue with adding a significant piece at the deadline not the ability to give value. It would have created options for OKC, but Presti didn't want options because he never had any intentions of making a move to correct any roster flaws despite what the season showed that the team needed.
It is problematic. I think it would have to be Dort and Joe for Fox + minimum. Would hate to lose both of those guys, but the talent upgrade would be undeniable. Having Cason makes losing Dort less painful.
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Woerzboerg wrote:How about adding Bobby Portis, if he is included in a Lavine-Trade and the Bulls don't have any use of him? Dieng and Jones should be enough. Portis would provide size and shooting, the move would free up the rosterspot we need for Ajay and Portis then-expiering contract could be a nice trade chip in the summer or at the TDL 2026.
I just don't like Portis. Maybe he would be a good third option, but after his Chicago incident I have trouble feeling like he's not a volatile influence.
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cjmcallist wrote:It is problematic. I think it would have to be Dort and Joe for Fox + minimum. Would hate to lose both of those guys, but the talent upgrade would be undeniable. Having Cason makes losing Dort less painful.
What does Fox add to OKC that you think makes it is worth giving up Dort and Joe? Fox shoots 32% from 3. Fox would be gone after next season, due to cap issues, when Chet and JDub get their extensions. If OKC wanted a playmaker that couldn't shoot they probably would have just kept Giddey.
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Kizz Fastfists wrote:cjmcallist wrote:It is problematic. I think it would have to be Dort and Joe for Fox + minimum. Would hate to lose both of those guys, but the talent upgrade would be undeniable. Having Cason makes losing Dort less painful.
What does Fox add to OKC that you think makes it is worth giving up Dort and Joe? Fox shoots 32% from 3. Fox would be gone after next season, due to cap issues, when Chet and JDub get their extensions. If OKC wanted a playmaker that couldn't shoot they probably would have just kept Giddey.
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I think he adds scoring and ballhandling, which we could use. I think he would shoot better than 32% in OKC's spacing, and I believe his clutch numbers are real. I also really want injury insurance.
I thought JDub was going to be our secondary guy, but I'm not convinced of that anymore. And, OKC will pay the tax if it's worth it. Ownership's earned the benefit of the doubt.
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cjmcallist wrote: And, OKC will pay the tax if it's worth it. Ownership's earned the benefit of the doubt.
OKC is going to have four max contracts and the highest payroll in the NBA? That is a theory. This is the first I've ever heard anyone actually say/type it out loud, but it is a theory just like the earth is flat is a theory and as grounded in reality as OKC having 4 max contracts and the highest payroll in the NBA.
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Do I think we will pay tax - probably definitely
Do I think we will carry 4 max contract - definitely not
Do I think we will carry 4 max contract - definitely not
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Kizz Fastfists wrote:cjmcallist wrote: And, OKC will pay the tax if it's worth it. Ownership's earned the benefit of the doubt.
OKC is going to have four max contracts and the highest payroll in the NBA? That is a theory. This is the first I've ever heard anyone actually say/type it out loud, but it is a theory just like the earth is flat is a theory and as grounded in reality as OKC having 4 max contracts and the highest payroll in the NBA.
I don't know what we will or won't do, but history shows we will pay the tax when we think the time is right.
In 2018 OKC made a $61m tax payment for the Anthony/George/WB team. At the time it was the second highest tax payment in history. This is after paying $25 in luxury tax the year before. But - why am I explaining this to you? You should know this.
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cjmcallist wrote:I don't know what we will or won't do, but history shows we will pay the tax when we think the time is right.
In 2018 OKC made a $61m tax payment for the Anthony/George/WB team. At the time it was the second highest tax payment in history. This is after paying $25 in luxury tax the year before. But - why am I explaining this to you? You should know this.
Yes, they will pay the tax. However, you are suggesting they should have four max contracts OR you are suggesting that Chet shall become worthless and be gone. Is you assumption that Chet is worthless so add Fox as the 3rd player and max contract? I also find it extremely odd that you would think Fox would suddenly learn how to shoot 3s if he came to OKC. If there was some significant advantage to shooting 3s in OKC one would think Giddey's percentage would be down this year not where it was in OKC. Given we have a 2300 shot sample size on Fox I think we know what he is as a shooter. Feel free to make the argument against Chet. Otherwise, you are arguing for OKC to be the first team rich enough to have 4 max contracts, plus other $20M contracts that would still be on the books, under the new punitive tax system that OKC has never participated in. Will OKC pay the tax? Yes. Will OKC pay more in tax than the salary of the players? No, but we apparently disagree on this. Assuming Chet gets a max, which unless injuries end his career will happen, with SGA, JDub, Fox, Caruso, IH, Kenrich, Cason, Jones and Topic ONLY that would put OKC at over $300M in tax for the '26-'27 season. Every contract they sign to finish out the roster adds tax at a 1:8 ration, meaning a $2M contract adds $16M tax so is a $18M contract. That 1:8 would increase as they filled the roster and further exceeded the tax line ending around a 1:10 salary to tax ratio.
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Let me be clear about how I see OKC's cap playing out over the next few years. Chet and JDub will both get max contracts, 25% of the cap each. SGA will get a max contract extension that kicks in for '27-'28 at 35% of the cap, but will "only" make $40.8M in '26-'27. That is about 85% of the cap between three players for '27-'28. Given the cap projections SGA will only make about 23% of the cap in '26-'27. Given the projections you can argue the 85% number I cited will be closer to 82% as the cap increase should outpace the raises for Chet and JDub who will start at 25% of the cap. I don't see them getting rid of IH, Dort, Caruso, Joe or Wiggins before their contracts expire, unless they make a consolidation trade involving some combination of Kenrich, Joe and Wiggins. The Cason Wallace extension, in '27-'28, is an unknown, but I'd estimate he gets $20M/yr, similar to Dort/Caruso money. I fully expect OKC to pay the tax to keep the current team together.
If they find another center via the draft that develops they could opt out of IH for the '26-'27 season. If you project OKC's current contracts out to the '26-'27 season with just extensions for Chet and JDub and not filling out the complete roster they would be $28M over the tax line. I expect this to be the first season OKC pays the tax and I would not be surprised if they end up in the repeater tax eventually to keep the team together. However, they are not going to add a player like Fox to come off the bench at the cost of Dort+ as Dort holds more value to OKC than Fox no just for Dort's 3pt shooting, something two years ago I never imagined I'd say, but also his defense. OKC isn't going to abandon their team philosophy, which is what trading for Fox would be. I'm not even sure how the team would play with Fox. Does Cason become a starter and Fox come in off the bench to keep the defense level around the same? Do they suddenly decide playmaking is more important than defense and efficient 3pt shooting around SGA? That would seem to be in direct conflict to this past off-season when they traded Giddey, a playmaker who shoots from 3 on par with Fox, for Caruso. The reason Cam Johnson gets floated as an option is that he has two more seasons under contract at $20.5M and 22.5M making him cost controlled for a legitimate three year window before OKC has to make difficult decisions and he shoots 40% from 3, career of 39.6% from 3. It also gives them time to draft and develop replacements for IH and Cam Johnson over that time. OKC has the best playmaker from this past draft sitting on the bench. Topic will provide the playmaking they need and he might step on the court late in the season depending on how quickly he ends up recovering from his ACL surgery. A player like Chris Paul who can give you the playmaking OKC lacks AND is a short-term affordable contract would make sense. A max contract player who doesn't fit OKC's philosophy, like Fox, makes not sense.
If they find another center via the draft that develops they could opt out of IH for the '26-'27 season. If you project OKC's current contracts out to the '26-'27 season with just extensions for Chet and JDub and not filling out the complete roster they would be $28M over the tax line. I expect this to be the first season OKC pays the tax and I would not be surprised if they end up in the repeater tax eventually to keep the team together. However, they are not going to add a player like Fox to come off the bench at the cost of Dort+ as Dort holds more value to OKC than Fox no just for Dort's 3pt shooting, something two years ago I never imagined I'd say, but also his defense. OKC isn't going to abandon their team philosophy, which is what trading for Fox would be. I'm not even sure how the team would play with Fox. Does Cason become a starter and Fox come in off the bench to keep the defense level around the same? Do they suddenly decide playmaking is more important than defense and efficient 3pt shooting around SGA? That would seem to be in direct conflict to this past off-season when they traded Giddey, a playmaker who shoots from 3 on par with Fox, for Caruso. The reason Cam Johnson gets floated as an option is that he has two more seasons under contract at $20.5M and 22.5M making him cost controlled for a legitimate three year window before OKC has to make difficult decisions and he shoots 40% from 3, career of 39.6% from 3. It also gives them time to draft and develop replacements for IH and Cam Johnson over that time. OKC has the best playmaker from this past draft sitting on the bench. Topic will provide the playmaking they need and he might step on the court late in the season depending on how quickly he ends up recovering from his ACL surgery. A player like Chris Paul who can give you the playmaking OKC lacks AND is a short-term affordable contract would make sense. A max contract player who doesn't fit OKC's philosophy, like Fox, makes not sense.
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Again kizz I totally agree with this wow I can’t believe I said that lol.
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He does make sense more than half the time.
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Devilanche wrote:He does make sense more than half the time.
Nick and I go back a long ways on another board. He found me overly annoying and pessimistic during the post-KD era, as did most posters here, as I constantly complained about Presti refusing to blow things up to keep together a team that was never going to win a playoff series. That board was fun until it shut down out of nowhere. There would be random people show up, or the same person creating a new user name every season, telling me how wrong I was and OKC was a contender and going to make it to the WCF or Finals and then claiming that I was only right every year because I was lucky and I couldn't really know before they disappeared after one season of posting their gibberish.
I will freely admit I don't know how this year's team is going to do in the playoffs. They could lose the first round or win it all. We haven't seen Chet and IH play together and while I thought the team was still a good big man to come off the bench away in the off-season we haven't seen the team play as it was constructed to know how accurate that is. After I screamed all season last year about lacking a center and that the lack of rebounding would become an issue I really don't know if that is the case this season. I do know that if Chet or IH isn't healthy I probably won't be expecting them to get past the 2nd round this year.
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I still think that Deni Avdija could be a perfect trade target for OKC.
He is a great fit with a great contract.
Something like Joe, Dieng a FRP and some SRP for him could work
He is a great fit with a great contract.
Something like Joe, Dieng a FRP and some SRP for him could work
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OKC2008 wrote:I still think that Deni Avdija could be a perfect trade target for OKC.
He is a great fit with a great contract.
Something like Joe, Dieng a FRP and some SRP for him could work
That seems unlikely. Portland traded two FRPs and two SRPs to acquire him as part of their rebuild. He is their best player and is only 24. He has three more years under contract. I can't imagine they would even consider trading him for less than 3 FRPs at this point.
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