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Post#1801 » by Matches Malone » Mon Jan 27, 2025 5:29 pm

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LaVine will continue being the same player he’s been for the last decade, fool’s gold


You don't need to convince me on who LaVine is. He's not exactly the player I'd be targeting for this team, but with the options the Bucks do have, they may just be weighing having a player that gives them any type of production (LaVine), vs a player who might not make it to the playoffs if their body erodes (Khris).


More upside to not do any deal and hope Khris steps it up in the playoffs like he did last year


Agreed. I'd rather ride it out with his chemistry with Giannis and see if they can make a smaller move for a backup big that can move their feet on defense.
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Post#1802 » by WiscoKing13 » Mon Jan 27, 2025 5:39 pm

Not a lot new/concrete from Stein.

"Who else besides Phoenix could emerge as a potential trade suitor for Butler?

Milwaukee, at the very least, has rival teams wondering if a Butler bid is forthcoming.

The Bucks still can't trade for a player in Butler's salary range unless/until they shed Pat Connaughton's $9.4 million salary ... or come up with a Butler trade construction that also ships out Connaughton.

If that can happen though ...

Would the Heat, just to end this draining Butler saga ASAP, be willing to trade Butler for Khris Middleton and Bobby Portis? Neither player, crucially, has a contract that extends past 2025-26, which — as Jake Fischer explained Saturday in detail — is a huge priority for Miami.

The Bucks, though, currently possess only one tradeable first-round pick (2031) and one tradeable second-rounder to sweeten any deal that involves Miami and/or a team to take on Connaughton."

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Post#1803 » by Bernman » Mon Jan 27, 2025 5:43 pm

German Athens wrote:In the modern NBA, to be a contender it starts with having a top 2 worth a damn, and then there’s basically two methodologies for the remaining top section of the roster:

1) Fill the roster in with versatile capable high-end depth (see 2020 Lakers, probably 2023 Nuggets)

Or

2) Bring in a high-level 3rd option to form a big 3 (see 2021 Bucks)

I think we have a top 2 worth a damn, and we’ve pretty much always tried to form that big 3, but maybe it’s time to swing the other direction. Jimmy, to me, is the only player where the big 3 option makes sense, but Lavine, Beal, probably Ingram all seem like a sizable step down from where we’d need to be.

We should explore option 1 above, and bring that high level depth - players with a more versatile skillset than we’ve had on our roster that can do some shooting, defending, self-creating in a pinch, but just not up to the standards of a third option.

Basically, id rather turn our dudes into Wiggins and Cam Johnson than just Lavine. At that point you’re adding two dudes who are solid defenders, who are more versatile than the wings we’ve thrown out there over the past few years (Grayson, Wes, Prince, Trent, etc).

There also may be more options available who fit this scenario.


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I mean, we didn't have a big 3, cuz Jrue sucked offensively in the playoffs. So we were pretty much just formula #1 also.

Basically since the formula is have your big 2 be healthy enough, which it hasn't been for 3 seasons. We'd just be trying for the 4th & swapping Dame for Khris in that equation.

Of the formulas, I'd ostensibly choose the big 3 route for us, because I don't know how we can bank on both Giannis & Dame being healthy the entire playoffs. Last year we had the leeway of a big 3, & they still couldn't be healthy enough.

That said, who that 3rd guy is makes all the difference. Middleton fit in because of his passing & chemistry. Beal made their big 2 worse in PHX. He would have ours, & LaVine the same. That's why I'd balk at those.

The only one who intrigues me that I've heard is Butler cuz he picks his spots & would be an asset on d. Also may clear cap to add a better fit to the core than LaVine & co. in the offseason.

If I have to choose between great role guys & LaVine/Beal types, give me the former. But I'd rather do the Butler/big 3 formula. And we could hope Middleton turns things around. All 3 come w/ risks-rewards, so all those routes are adequate at least.
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Post#1804 » by yb90 » Mon Jan 27, 2025 5:47 pm

EasyE31 wrote:I wonder if we could pull off something similar to the Phoenix Utah trade with the Thunder?

Swap Portis and the 31 first for Aaron Wiggins and 3 future firsts.

Then turn around and send Middleton and two firsts to the Nets for Cam Johnson and Dayron Sharpe.

All in all we swap Middleton and Portis for Wiggins, Cam Johnson, and Sharpe while keeping one of OKC's future firsts.

Dame/Rollins
Green/GTJ
Johnson/Wiggins/Ajax
Giannis/Prince
Brook/Sharpe

Johnson opens up a bunch of small ball lineups as well if him and Prince are both on the floor as undersized 4s.


If OKC was willing to do that trade there would be a lot of options the Bucks could take. I personally would just try to facilitate a Grizz/Nets deal that sent the Grizz Cam and the Bucks Aldama to replace Portis. If the Bucks could do that they wouldn't need to trade khris at all. Wiggins has the size to play the 3 and guard small 4s(Tatum/Banchero/OG).
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Post#1805 » by Gianstoppable » Mon Jan 27, 2025 5:47 pm

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German Athens wrote:In the modern NBA, to be a contender it starts with having a top 2 worth a damn, and then there’s basically two methodologies for the remaining top section of the roster:

1) Fill the roster in with versatile capable high-end depth (see 2020 Lakers, probably 2023 Nuggets)

Or

2) Bring in a high-level 3rd option to form a big 3 (see 2021 Bucks)

I think we have a top 2 worth a damn, and we’ve pretty much always tried to form that big 3, but maybe it’s time to swing the other direction. Jimmy, to me, is the only player where the big 3 option makes sense, but Lavine, Beal, probably Ingram all seem like a sizable step down from where we’d need to be.

We should explore option 1 above, and bring that high level depth - players with a more versatile skillset than we’ve had on our roster that can do some shooting, defending, self-creating in a pinch, but just not up to the standards of a third option.

Basically, id rather turn our dudes into Wiggins and Cam Johnson than just Lavine. At that point you’re adding two dudes who are solid defenders, who are more versatile than the wings we’ve thrown out there over the past few years (Grayson, Wes, Prince, Trent, etc).

There also may be more options available who fit this scenario.


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I mean, we didn't have a big 3, cuz Jrue sucked offensively in the playoffs. So we were pretty much just formula #1 also.

Basically since the formula is have your big 2 be healthy enough, which it hasn't been for 3 seasons. We'd just be trying for the 4th & swapping Dame for Khris in that equation.

Of the formulas, I'd ostensibly choose the big 3 route for us, because I don't know how we can bank on both Giannis & Dame being healthy the entire playoffs. Last year we had the leeway of a big 3, & they still couldn't be healthy enough.

That said, who that 3rd guy is makes all the difference. Middleton fit in because of his passing & chemistry. Beal made their big 2 worse in PHX. He would have ours, & LaVine the same. That's why I'd balk at those.

The only one who intrigues me that I've heard is Butler cuz he picks his spots & would be an asset on d. Also may clear cap to add a better fit to the core than LaVine & co. in the offseason.

If I have to choose between great role guys & LaVine/Beal types, give me the former. But I'd rather do the Butler/big 3 formula. And we could hope Middleton turns things around. All 3 come w/ risks-rewards, so I'd be fine w/ any of those they choose.

Yeah people tend to forget that Jrue was ass offensively most of the playoffs, his defense was almost always top notch though
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Post#1806 » by ShootingtheJ » Mon Jan 27, 2025 5:54 pm

EasyE31 wrote:I wonder if we could pull off something similar to the Phoenix Utah trade with the Thunder?

Swap Portis and the 31 first for Aaron Wiggins and 3 future firsts.

Then turn around and send Middleton and two firsts to the Nets for Cam Johnson and Dayron Sharpe.

All in all we swap Middleton and Portis for Wiggins, Cam Johnson, and Sharpe while keeping one of OKC's future firsts.

Dame/Rollins
Green/GTJ
Johnson/Wiggins/Ajax
Giannis/Prince
Brook/Sharpe

Johnson opens up a bunch of small ball lineups as well if him and Prince are both on the floor as undersized 4s.


The issue with OKC trading future first is they now have swap rights to improve almost all those picks. The picks Utah dealt were the lower end of picks that have swap rights.
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Post#1807 » by Ron Swanson » Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:08 pm

I've come around a little on the idea of LaVine if you could leverage assets out of Phoenix, because there should be no way that Chicago gets 2-3 firsts for swapping one bad contract for another. Needs to be at least one first coming our way and no way should it be the 2025 one coming from Cleveland, which will be like the 28th pick at best. Like, say it's Khris, Bobby, Pat, Andre, and the 2031 2nd for LaVine, the 2027 MIN/UTA/CLE 1st, and one of either Dunn or Oso? Yeah, I could at least stomach that. But the obvious fear is that we're just gonna pull an MCW/Vasquez here because when has Horst ever actually leveraged an asset out of a player? Brogdon? Would be such a classic Bucks move to pay full price for LaVine when his value isn't at rock bottom for the first time in 2-years...
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Post#1808 » by SirChurros » Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:15 pm

I just think Khris is toast and you have to move on from him. Pains me to say that because I love the dude, but he clearly does not look the same this year.

Maybe he gives you an Indiana series but this team needs consistent Middleton performances to be a title contender. Him going off for one series isn’t going to cut it.

I will agree that none of the names floated really do it for me, but Butler gives you enough of the stuff Middleton can’t do anymore and Lavine gives you efficient scoring and is younger.
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Post#1810 » by raferfenix » Mon Jan 27, 2025 7:00 pm

I also wonder whether we could find a way to nab Cam Johnson -- or some other combination of Nets players.

The Bucks were linked to Brooklyn earlier in the year with supposed interest we had in Cam Thomas and DFS fwiw.
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Post#1811 » by MickeyDavis » Mon Jan 27, 2025 7:14 pm

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Post#1812 » by Badgerlander » Mon Jan 27, 2025 7:32 pm

I’m not sure why everyone thinks we are getting paid to take on Lavine’s deal. Bobby Marks trade shows us sending out Khris, Bobby, Delon, Marjon, 2013 1st pick swap AND 2nd rounder, and getting back just Lavine. The deals that I’ve seen where we dump Pat in the deal have us trading the 1st with some protections.

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Post#1813 » by Ryan5UW » Mon Jan 27, 2025 7:41 pm

Badgerlander wrote:I’m not sure why everyone thinks we are getting paid to take on Lavine’s deal. Bobby Marks trade shows us sending out Khris, Bobby, Delon, Marjon, 2013 1st pick swap AND 2nd rounder, and getting back just Lavine. The deals that I’ve seen where we dump Pat in the deal have us trading the 1st with some protections.


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Post#1814 » by Ron Swanson » Mon Jan 27, 2025 7:41 pm

Badgerlander wrote:I’m not sure why everyone thinks we are getting paid to take on Lavine’s deal. Bobby Marks trade shows us sending out Khris, Bobby, Delon, Marjon, 2013 1st pick swap AND 2nd rounder, and getting back just Lavine. The deals that I’ve seen where we dump Pat in the deal have us trading the 1st with some protections.


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Post#1817 » by humanrefutation » Mon Jan 27, 2025 8:12 pm

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Post#1818 » by humanrefutation » Mon Jan 27, 2025 8:13 pm

Badgerlander wrote:I’m not sure why everyone thinks we are getting paid to take on Lavine’s deal. Bobby Marks trade shows us sending out Khris, Bobby, Delon, Marjon, 2013 1st pick swap AND 2nd rounder, and getting back just Lavine. The deals that I’ve seen where we dump Pat in the deal have us trading the 1st with some protections.


Bobby Marks should always be taken with a grain of salt, and that's an awful trade for the Bucks. I'd rather not make any move than make that one.
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Post#1819 » by German Athens » Mon Jan 27, 2025 8:17 pm

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German Athens wrote:In the modern NBA, to be a contender it starts with having a top 2 worth a damn, and then there’s basically two methodologies for the remaining top section of the roster:

1) Fill the roster in with versatile capable high-end depth (see 2020 Lakers, probably 2023 Nuggets)

Or

2) Bring in a high-level 3rd option to form a big 3 (see 2021 Bucks)

I think we have a top 2 worth a damn, and we’ve pretty much always tried to form that big 3, but maybe it’s time to swing the other direction. Jimmy, to me, is the only player where the big 3 option makes sense, but Lavine, Beal, probably Ingram all seem like a sizable step down from where we’d need to be.

We should explore option 1 above, and bring that high level depth - players with a more versatile skillset than we’ve had on our roster that can do some shooting, defending, self-creating in a pinch, but just not up to the standards of a third option.

Basically, id rather turn our dudes into Wiggins and Cam Johnson than just Lavine. At that point you’re adding two dudes who are solid defenders, who are more versatile than the wings we’ve thrown out there over the past few years (Grayson, Wes, Prince, Trent, etc).

There also may be more options available who fit this scenario.


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I mean, we didn't have a big 3, cuz Jrue sucked offensively in the playoffs. So we were pretty much just formula #1 also.

Basically since the formula is have your big 2 be healthy enough, which it hasn't been for 3 seasons. We'd just be trying for the 4th & swapping Dame for Khris in that equation.

Of the formulas, I'd ostensibly choose the big 3 route for us, because I don't know how we can bank on both Giannis & Dame being healthy the entire playoffs. Last year we had the leeway of a big 3, & they still couldn't be healthy enough.

That said, who that 3rd guy is makes all the difference. Middleton fit in because of his passing & chemistry. Beal made their big 2 worse in PHX. He would have ours, & LaVine the same. That's why I'd balk at those.

The only one who intrigues me that I've heard is Butler cuz he picks his spots & would be an asset on d. Also may clear cap to add a better fit to the core than LaVine & co. in the offseason.

If I have to choose between great role guys & LaVine/Beal types, give me the former. But I'd rather do the Butler/big 3 formula. And we could hope Middleton turns things around. All 3 come w/ risks-rewards, so all those routes are adequate at least.

How they ultimately performed is beside the point of how the bucks monetarily allocated resources and conceptually built the team.

Yes, Jrue face planted offensively every season in the playoffs, but the bucks were built around the idea that he could succeed as a third option. They were built around his offense looking a lot like the offense he gave us in the regular season which was very good.

In 2023 we spent about 92% of the cap on Giannis, Khris, and Jrue with Jrue making about 28% of it himself.

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The examples I gave for each method above aren’t perfect, although, the laker one is pretty much spot on, but each contender operates on a spectrum between the two. We’ve been much closer to a big 3 construction than big 2 with role guys.

The point is more that if we trade for Beal or Lavine, or whatever dude making close to the max, and I think you agree with this, we’re becoming even more of a big 3. Getting Lavine in here would put us at something like 100% of the cap for our top 3 players. Certain players are worth that, but I think Jimmy would be the only guy of the names thrown out there that may be.

I’d rather get Wiggins and cam Johnson in at 49M than Lavine at 43M or Beal at 50M.

With the available options, we need to consider conceptually building this team differently than we have in the past.

Historically, the big 3 route was the best option, but with the recent cap ramifications, we’re seeing more teams like the 2020 lakers or even the 2022 Warriors rise up who aren’t as reliant on their third option for creating looks for themselves or others.


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Post#1820 » by emunney » Mon Jan 27, 2025 8:26 pm

Can somebody list out the actual concrete reporting on the Bucks in all this trade stuff? As far as I know, someone asserted that we've made Midds available and that's the only real news we've gotten (knowing that Bobby and Pat are always available). Everything else has been speculative.
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