Butler to SAC, Smart to MIA, DDR to MEM

Toine85 · Post #1 » by **Toine85** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 8:16 pm

MIA trades: Jimmy Butler, Pelle Larsson
MIA receives: Kevin Huerter, Marcus Smart, Alex Len

Why for Heat? Suspending Jimmy every couple of games due to conduct detrimental to the team is not sustainable especially since Riley wants to make the playoffs this year to avoid giving OKC an unprotected 1st next year. Smart and Huerter fit Pat’s ask of win-now players with short contracts (both end after next season).

MEM trades: Marcus Smart
MEM receives: DDR

Why for Grizz? Since Butler doesn’t want to go to Memphis, maybe DDR would be a good “consolation prize” by adding a dynamic scorer to their offense.

SAC trades: DDR, Kevin Huerter, Alex Len
SAC receives: Jimmy Butler, Pelle Larsson

Why for Kings?
They have been doing better lately, but this season with DDR has been a bit disappointing. A hungry and drive Butler is always dangerous and can give them a nice run, especially during the playoffs.

QMemphis · Post #2 » by **QMemphis** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 8:18 pm

Toine85 wrote:MIA trades: Jimmy Butler, Pelle Larsson
MIA receives: Kevin Huerter, Marcus Smart, Alex Len

Why for Heat? Suspending Jimmy every couple of games due to conduct detrimental to the team is not sustainable especially since Riley wants to make the playoffs this year to avoid giving OKC an unprotected 1st next year. Smart and Huerter fit Pat’s ask of win-now players with short contracts (both end after next season).

MEM trades: Marcus Smart
MEM receives: DDR

Why for Grizz? Since Butler doesn’t want to go to Memphis, maybe DDR would be a good “consolation prize” by adding a dynamic scorer to their offense.

SAC trades: DDR, Kevin Huerter, Alex Len
SAC receives: Jimmy Butler, Pelle Larsson

Why for Kings?
They have been doing better lately, but this season with DDR has been a bit disappointing. A hungry and drive Butler is always dangerous and can give them a nice run, especially during the playoffs.

Grizz have no interest in DDR.

Post #3 » by **BBallFreak** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 8:27 pm

Picks?

You can't possibly think Miami is going to accept this without picks. And swap Larsson with Richardson. Miami shouldn't be trading youth, especially for this minimal of a return.

SA37 · Post #4 » by **SA37** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 8:59 pm

Miami has no use for Huerter. Sacramento would have to give at least 1 unprotected 1st and another with, at most, lottery protection. Memphis would also have to give up some draft compensation like a pick swap.

Even if Sacramento included those picks, I think Miami would rather send Huerter, Rozier, and 1 of those picks to, say, Toronto for Bruce Brown and Olynyk. Even then, that is prob more salary than Toronto wants to take on.

Post #5 » by **Texas Chuck** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 9:32 pm

Butler is not returning unprotected picks at this point and certainly not asking for two more firsts on top of that. I know I'm on the pessimistic end of his value, but even accounting for that, that is way too high of an ask.

longfellow44 · Post #6 » by **longfellow44** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 9:35 pm

keep butler and his toxic self away from the kings. I would give you 2 2nd round picks to just not trade butler to the kings.

I wouldn't want jimmy on the kings if you gave him to us for free and his salary was nearly zero. Jimmy has never left a team without drama.

psman2 · Post #7 » by **psman2** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 9:48 pm

I don't have DDR as any kind of substitute for Butler. Butler would be the 4th offensive option but would bring tough D still and be a compliment to our core. DDR as a 6th man has some appeal as a bench sparkplug, but I doubt he is willing to buy into that role yet. Our team is humming on offense already and Smart is already here and knows that he will be in a reduced role when he is healthy. Just not worth it.

Post #8 » by **BBallFreak** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 10:02 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:Butler is not returning unprotected picks at this point and certainly not asking for two more firsts on top of that. I know I'm on the pessimistic end of his value, but even accounting for that, that is way too high of an ask.

I tend to agree with you. I think Miami would be lucky to get a useful player and one of the firsts from Phoenix which are pretty much guaranteed to be low. We're not getting the bag. We ARE getting more than this

sackings916 · Post #9 » by **sackings916** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 10:19 pm

SA37 wrote:Miami has no use for Huerter. Sacramento would have to give at least 1 unprotected 1st and another with, at most, lottery protection. Memphis would also have to give up some draft compensation like a pick swap.

Even if Sacramento included those picks, I think Miami would rather send Huerter, Rozier, and 1 of those picks to, say, Toronto for Bruce Brown and Olynyk. Even then, that is prob more salary than Toronto wants to take on.

I don’t see Sac giving up DDR for Butler straight up, let alone adding picks. Butler may be a better player, but adding that personality to the org is too much risk.

esvl · Post #10 » by **esvl** » Mon Jan 27, 2025 1:28 am

QMemphis wrote:
Grizz have no interest in DDR.

Hummer. Nail. Coffin.

OGSactownballer · Post #11 » by **OGSactownballer** » Mon Jan 27, 2025 1:59 am

sackings916 wrote:
SA37 wrote:Miami has no use for Huerter. Sacramento would have to give at least 1 unprotected 1st and another with, at most, lottery protection. Memphis would also have to give up some draft compensation like a pick swap.

Even if Sacramento included those picks, I think Miami would rather send Huerter, Rozier, and 1 of those picks to, say, Toronto for Bruce Brown and Olynyk. Even then, that is prob more salary than Toronto wants to take on.

I don’t see Sac giving up DDR for Butler straight up, let alone adding picks. Butler may be a better player, but adding that personality to the org is too much risk.

This part here.

We are a small market. We weathered Ron Artest but lucked into a rare sane period. We couldn’t survive a Jimmy blow up.

BoogieTime · Post #12 » by **BoogieTime** » Mon Jan 27, 2025 9:31 am

SA37 wrote:Miami has no use for Huerter. Sacramento would have to give at least 1 unprotected 1st and another with, at most, lottery protection. Memphis would also have to give up some draft compensation like a pick swap.

Even if Sacramento included those picks, I think Miami would rather send Huerter, Rozier, and 1 of those picks to, say, Toronto for Bruce Brown and Olynyk. Even then, that is prob more salary than Toronto wants to take on.

Sac has nothing to send out firsts for

SA37 · Post #13 » by **SA37** » Mon Jan 27, 2025 12:09 pm

OGSactownballer wrote:
sackings916 wrote:
SA37 wrote:Miami has no use for Huerter. Sacramento would have to give at least 1 unprotected 1st and another with, at most, lottery protection. Memphis would also have to give up some draft compensation like a pick swap.

Even if Sacramento included those picks, I think Miami would rather send Huerter, Rozier, and 1 of those picks to, say, Toronto for Bruce Brown and Olynyk. Even then, that is prob more salary than Toronto wants to take on.

I don’t see Sac giving up DDR for Butler straight up, let alone adding picks. Butler may be a better player, but adding that personality to the org is too much risk.

This part here.

We are a small market. We weathered Ron Artest but lucked into a rare sane period. We couldn’t survive a Jimmy blow up.

I don't blame Sacramento fans one second for preferring not to trade for Butler. At the same time, Miami has no reason to be Sacramento's (or any other team's) dumping yard for atrocious salary just to move Butler.

Specifically to this hypothetical trade, Huerter is a solid player who is having probably his worst season as a pro and Smart -- a player who fits Miami culture and the defensive mentality the team likes -- is still a guy who has been chronically injured the since 2022 and may never be the player he once was. So, in this deal, Miami is a dumping ground while Memphis and Sacramento upgrade. Sorry, but if Miami doesn't also get a quality player, then the value has to come from picks/prospects.

Even in the worst-case scenarios, Miami can tell Butler to stay away from the team and try to reach a buy-out agreement with him or simply pay him to stay away. Butler has a lot to lose here by not facilitating a trade, too. So this isn't just Miami's problem to solve. And the more disruptive Butler is, the number of teams willing to take him on -- let alone at ~$50/season -- will decrease.

What hasn't changed is the fact that Butler still can play at an all-NBA level for another ~2 seasons. Any team he's likely to end up with -- Phoenix, Denver, Memphis, Milwaukee -- is a team where he will not be the best player, but he is an upgrade over every one of their second options except for Phoenix. Miami either has to get draft assets or good NBA starters on short-term deals in return (and they prefer the latter).

gom · Post #14 » by **gom** » Mon Jan 27, 2025 7:40 pm

Aside from the value issues that BBallFreak addressed, Butler does not fit in Sacramento at all.

LightTheBeam · Post #15 » by **LightTheBeam** » Mon Jan 27, 2025 9:46 pm

The optics behind this are tough.

Demar picked Sacramento this summer, and so far he's been extremely clutch helping us close out many games. Despite the blame he was getting a few weeks ago, it's not been his play that has been lacking.

Jimmy now has a pretty awful track record of ugly break ups. Seems to last a few years, and then all hell breaks loose. If Miami wasn't able to keep him happy, not sure Sacramento stands a chance.

If we were closer to being a contender I could see it, I actually love the idea of bringing in a ton setter on the defense, I just don't know how you justify the optics and eventual ugly breakup. Juice isn't worth the squeeze on for 35 year old declining Jimmy.