Windhorst: Bulls are talking to Suns about Bradley Beal? Update page 4: Beal rejects us

[Dan Z]

Give me the Suns 3 picks and 1 from Miami, and I'm in. Then buy out Beal.

I'd do that too, but I'd be shocked if Bulls ownership did.

[WindyCityBorn]

Beal is older and probably better late game manager. I think it’s a slight upgrade than Lavine.

He worse than LaVine now and makes like $20 million more per season.

[Dan Z]

I assume the idea will be to acquire multiple late first round picks AND get worse as a team. Beal is constantly injured and is no longer as good as Lavine.

Keep Matas & Ayo and sell off everyone else. Keep our pick this year and tank hard the next two seasons and see where Matas + 3 lottery picks + multiple late FRPs + no long term salary puts us in 2 and a half years time.

They didn’t go hard enough at the tank during our last rebuild. We ended up with Lauri, WCJ & Coby who are all starter level players but not enough to change the direction of a franchise. You need to be in the top handful of teams picking.

I was just looking at the pick that the Bulls owe to San Antonio. It's protected 1-10 in 2025, 1-8 in 2026 and 1-8 in 2027.

That's frustrating. There was no need to give up a pick like that for DDR and if SA said no to the deal without it, then the Bulls should've moved on.

At a minimum makes the protections in a way that it's a late first (and only a late first).

[WindyCityBorn]

Only a few months ago, the Bulls were in a position where they would have been lucky to receive ONE first round pick, regardless of the placing of the first round pick. NOW, we are in a possible position to receive 3 first round picks. I'll take that and run, regardless of the positioning of the first round picks, because they always be combined to move up in the draft if need be.

Regardless of your position on Zach, I think most of us can agree that he has no long term future with the Bulls, then what are we holding out for exactly? A single first round pick in the lottery? I don't know about others, but I'd rather take the 3 first round picks late in the first round, then just a single one even if it's a mid to late lottery.

Now if it ends up being just two late first round picks, I'm not as glowing about the trade, but I'm still more than ready to move on, and kickstarting the rebuild. This whole basking in the middle just isn't doing it for the franchise, and it's time to rip the band aid off.

How is adding Bradley Beal and a couple extremely late first round picks jump starting anything?

[WindyCityBorn]

Bulls are not buying out Beal. This is crazy talk.

[jordanwilliams6]

I assume the idea will be to acquire multiple late first round picks AND get worse as a team. Beal is constantly injured and is no longer as good as Lavine.

Keep Matas & Ayo and sell off everyone else. Keep our pick this year and tank hard the next two seasons and see where Matas + 3 lottery picks + multiple late FRPs + no long term salary puts us in 2 and a half years time.

They didn’t go hard enough at the tank during our last rebuild. We ended up with Lauri, WCJ & Coby who are all starter level players but not enough to change the direction of a franchise. You need to be in the top handful of teams picking.

I was just looking at the pick that the Bulls owe to San Antonio. It's protected 1-10 in 2025, 1-8 in 2026 and 1-8 in 2027.

That's frustrating. There was no need to give up a pick like that for DDR and if SA said no to the deal without it, then the Bulls should've moved on.

At a minimum makes the protections in a way that it's a late first (and only a late first).

That's why it makes perfect sense given our roster and the pick protections to tank hard for the next two and a half seasons. In 2028, it becomes a single second rounder.

Given where our roster is currently at, it would be a pretty simple proposition to keep a top 8 pick in 2026 & 2027. Sell of Lavine, Vuc, Ball & White and we'll be a bottom feeder.

[Dan Z]

I assume the idea will be to acquire multiple late first round picks AND get worse as a team. Beal is constantly injured and is no longer as good as Lavine.

Keep Matas & Ayo and sell off everyone else. Keep our pick this year and tank hard the next two seasons and see where Matas + 3 lottery picks + multiple late FRPs + no long term salary puts us in 2 and a half years time.

They didn’t go hard enough at the tank during our last rebuild. We ended up with Lauri, WCJ & Coby who are all starter level players but not enough to change the direction of a franchise. You need to be in the top handful of teams picking.

I was just looking at the pick that the Bulls owe to San Antonio. It's protected 1-10 in 2025, 1-8 in 2026 and 1-8 in 2027.

That's frustrating. There was no need to give up a pick like that for DDR and if SA said no to the deal without it, then the Bulls should've moved on.

At a minimum makes the protections in a way that it's a late first (and only a late first).

That's why it makes perfect sense given our roster and the pick protections to tank hard for the next two and a half seasons. In 2028, it becomes a single second rounder.

Given where our roster is currently at, it would be a pretty simple proposition to keep a top 8 pick in 2026 & 2027. Sell of Lavine, Vuc, Ball & White and we'll be a bottom feeder.

One problem is that even if the Bulls tank there's still a possibility that they end up having to give their pick to the Spurs. It's a situation that never should've been there. A good front office would make sure to think about future possibilities (good and bad).

Having said that, I do think they should rebuild so I'm with you on that.

[HomoSapien]

I was just looking at the pick that the Bulls owe to San Antonio. It's protected 1-10 in 2025, 1-8 in 2026 and 1-8 in 2027.

That's frustrating. There was no need to give up a pick like that for DDR and if SA said no to the deal without it, then the Bulls should've moved on.

At a minimum makes the protections in a way that it's a late first (and only a late first).

That's why it makes perfect sense given our roster and the pick protections to tank hard for the next two and a half seasons. In 2028, it becomes a single second rounder.

Given where our roster is currently at, it would be a pretty simple proposition to keep a top 8 pick in 2026 & 2027. Sell of Lavine, Vuc, Ball & White and we'll be a bottom feeder.

One problem is that even if the Bulls tank there's still a possibility that they end up having to give their pick to the Spurs. It's a situation that never should've been there. A good front office would make sure to think about future possibilities (good and bad).

Having said that, I do think they should rebuild so I'm with you on that.

I feel pretty confident that Philly will move ahead of us if we get rid of Zach or Vuc. The margins are thin for us. Even the loss of Lonzo might be enough to end us.

[boozapalooza]

If Beal agrees, I totally could see this happening. Beal becomes the DeRozan type mentor for the young guys, the Bulls get some picks for future trades and maybe also offload a bad contract.

But why would Beal ever waive his NTC to waste away here? Hes getting paid regardless. He’d be going back to a similar situation he was in during his Wizards days. I don’t see any chance of Beal getting onboard, even with the Billy connection.

[Evil_Headband]

If Beal agrees, I totally could see this happening. Beal becomes the DeRozan type mentor for the young guys, the Bulls get some picks for future trades and maybe also offload a bad contract.

But why would Beal ever waive his NTC to waste away here? Hes getting paid regardless. He’d be going back to a similar situation he was in during his Wizards days. I don’t see any chance of Beal getting onboard, even with the Billy connection.

I agree that is most likely. However, maybe Beal knows the Suns are a train wreck and he doesn't want to stay on a team that doesn't want him.

[dougthonus]

Give me the Suns 3 picks and 1 from Miami, and I'm in. Then buy out Beal.

I'm preparing for 2 low end 1st rounders for our 2028 2nd and some sweet licking cash considerations.

Beal makes more than LaVine, so even max allowable cash considerations probably have you pay more. You need way more than that to take a player with a no trade clause that further hampers your org.

[dougthonus]

Give me the Suns 3 picks and 1 from Miami, and I'm in. Then buy out Beal.

It's not my money, so sure, what the hell, but setting aside Beal remaining on the cap sheet as a result of a buyout, I cannot see the Bulls (or any NBA team) effectively paying $130 million (or some slight buyout discount thereof) for 4 draft picks.

Your net outgoing money doesn't change any though. You are spending all that money anyway on LaVine. You might as well get the four picks.

[cocktailswith_2short]

I hope it gets done . Tank is fully committed and we have a war chest to trade .

[Dan Z]

That's why it makes perfect sense given our roster and the pick protections to tank hard for the next two and a half seasons. In 2028, it becomes a single second rounder.

Given where our roster is currently at, it would be a pretty simple proposition to keep a top 8 pick in 2026 & 2027. Sell of Lavine, Vuc, Ball & White and we'll be a bottom feeder.

One problem is that even if the Bulls tank there's still a possibility that they end up having to give their pick to the Spurs. It's a situation that never should've been there. A good front office would make sure to think about future possibilities (good and bad).

Having said that, I do think they should rebuild so I'm with you on that.

I feel pretty confident that Philly will move ahead of us if we get rid of Zach or Vuc. The margins are thin for us. Even the loss of Lonzo might be enough to end us.

I think if the front office embraces a tank this year then the Bulls should be okay with keeping their pick. My comment was more about the following two years (when the pick is only protected 1-8). There shouldn't even be a possibility of losing a pick because DDR wasn't worth it (even though he's a good player and did well during his time here).

[dougthonus]

Beal is older and probably better late game manager. I think it’s a slight upgrade than Lavine.

He worse than LaVine now and makes like $20 million more per season.

He makes like 16M total more over his contract (~8M per season). But yeah, he's worse.

[Axl Rose]

Why would we want an older and more expensive LaVine?

Do Suns even have any good draft capital? I remember them being one of the teams that traded everything away.

[Evil_Headband]

Give me the Suns 3 picks and 1 from Miami, and I'm in. Then buy out Beal.

It's not my money, so sure, what the hell, but setting aside Beal remaining on the cap sheet as a result of a buyout, I cannot see the Bulls (or any NBA team) effectively paying $130 million (or some slight buyout discount thereof) for 4 draft picks.

Your net outgoing money doesn't change any though. You are spending all that money anyway on LaVine. You might as well get the four picks.

What about 2 picks plus dumping Carter's contract?

[Dan Z]

Why would we want an older and more expensive LaVine?

Do Suns even have any good draft capital? I remember them being one of the teams that traded everything away.

They recently traded their 2031 pick for three picks from the Jazz (which will all be late firsts).

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/43510876/suns-acquiring-three-first-round-picks-jazz-sources-say

[Mbrahv0528]

Lol, no they absolutely are not.

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[jnrjr79]

Give me the Suns 3 picks and 1 from Miami, and I'm in. Then buy out Beal.

It's not my money, so sure, what the hell, but setting aside Beal remaining on the cap sheet as a result of a buyout, I cannot see the Bulls (or any NBA team) effectively paying $130 million (or some slight buyout discount thereof) for 4 draft picks.

Your net outgoing money doesn't change any though. You are spending all that money anyway on LaVine. You might as well get the four picks.

You’re not spending it all on LaVine, since Beal makes considerably more, but to your point, sure, the Bulls are probably going to spend a fairly fixed sum on salary in any given year. But it only makes sense if you’re embarking on a long-term tank, since you won’t be able to use Beal’s salary on actual players and are basically conceding you will suck.