The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely

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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#161 » by Exp0sed » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:06 am

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How so? Holding someone accountable is an embarrassment?


you think that's what they're doing?
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Think about it like this - they've started him in every game he's played this year, and in the past five or six, since he came back from "illness" he's refused to play defense or hustle and has been shooting one legged 3s. He hasn't earned the start! He's been dogging it IN GAMES! There is nothing more insulting to Jimmy as a player, then Jimmy playing like ass, intentionally!


well, they accused him of dogging it in those two games before his first suspension, that was the reason they cited for the suspensio, no? if he kept dogging it then he should have been suspended etc, I mean if he's dogging it on purpose, did they think demoting him to the bench will solve that problem? let's be serious here - they knew what they were doing...

I watched his first game back vs. the Nuggets (after the 2nd suspension, I think), was he dogging it? probably, but he wasn't doing it too blatantly and 50% of Jimmy still gives u more on the court than 100% of Highsmith, so i don't really buy that

i'm sure the Heat thought that demoting Jimmy to the bench will straighten him right out and make him give more an effort, after 3 trade demands and 3 suspensions, lmfao come on...no1 believes those were they're intentions for one second

they wanted to f** with him and they did, it worked too, no need to pretend like this was anything other than the Heat sticking it to Jimmy
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#162 » by BBallFreak » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:09 am

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you think that's what they're doing?
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Think about it like this - they've started him in every game he's played this year, and in the past five or six, since he came back from "illness" he's refused to play defense or hustle and has been shooting one legged 3s. He hasn't earned the start! He's been dogging it IN GAMES! There is nothing more insulting to Jimmy as a player, then Jimmy playing like ass, intentionally!


well, they accused him of dogging it in those two games before his first suspension, that was the reason they cited for the suspensio, no? if he kept dogging it then he should have been suspended etc, I mean if he's dogging it on purpose, did they think demoting him to the bench will solve that problem? let's be serious here - they knew what they were doing...

I watched his first game back vs. the Nuggets (after the 2nd suspension, I think), was he dogging it? probably, but he wasn't doing it too blatantly and 50% of Jimmy still gives u more on the court than 100% of Highsmith, so i don't really buy that

i'm sure the Heat thought that demoting Jimmy to the bench will straighten him right out and make him give more an effort, after 3 trade demands and 3 suspensions, lmfao come on...no1 believes those were they're intentions for one second

they wanted to f** with him and they did, it worked too, no need to pretend like this was anything other than the Heat sticking it to Jimmy

Yeah, they thought, "If he's digging it, 7 minutes is all he needs to play."

WT actual F?

Are you kidding me?

Are we supposed to play a person who doesn't deserve to play just because you think we should?

You wouldn't tolerate this on your team and we're not going to tolerate it on ours. It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise...
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#163 » by Thaddy » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:10 am

I wouldn't suspend him. Just play him for 30 seconds a game and troll him back. Damaging his stats will hurt him more than the fines.
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#164 » by Exp0sed » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:12 am

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Yeah, they thought, "If he's digging it, 7 minutes is all he needs to play."

WT actual F?

Are you kidding me?

Are we supposed to play a person who doesn't deserve to play just because you think we should?

You wouldn't tolerate this on your team and we're not going to tolerate it on ours. It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise...


I didn't say I would tolerate it, all I said was they should have left him off the active roster if he's dogging it

they were trying to get him to implode and they chose to let him show-up and tell him at shootaround that Highsmith is starting in his place lol. couldv'e given him a heads up too, u know...they knew exactly what they doing
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#165 » by BBallFreak » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:15 am

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Yeah, they thought, "If he's digging it, 7 minutes is all he needs to play."

WT actual F?

Are you kidding me?

Are we supposed to play a person who doesn't deserve to play just because you think we should?

You wouldn't tolerate this on your team and we're not going to tolerate it on ours. It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise...


I didn't say I would tolerate it, all I said was they should have left him off the active roster if he's dogging it

they were trying to get him to implode and they chose to let him show-up and tell him at shootaround that Highsmith is starting in his place lol. couldv'e given him a heads up too, u know...they knew exactly what they doing

No, buddy, they can't. The CBA no longer allows that. You can't send him home if he wants to play. Jimmy would have to agree to staying home and he's choosing not to.
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#166 » by chrismikayla » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:17 am

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chrismikayla wrote:I was a Riley fan, but this reeks of "plantation owner" mentality where these players are seen as personal property.


wtf is wrong with you man. People feeling like this is a huge part of what’s wrong with society today.

Only in a country that is so privileged would someone bring up “plantation owner” and a player being “personal property” when the guy is getting paid 50 million a year to play basketball. Gtfo of here


"A particular theme that the NBA has adopted from general society is the legacy of the plantation mentality. Though in today’s world, star basketball players are routinely paid millions of dollars to demonstrate their physical abilities, there are still a shocking amount of parallels between today’s owner-athlete relationship and the slave master-slave relationship of 200 hundred years ago. There is a pattern of NBA owners, or in today’s lingo “team governors”, who look at athletes not as fellow men or staff, but as property or bodies to control. "

I think you need to GTFO since you made it personal. Just because you haven't realized it in your bubble doesnt mean it isn't real. It's like saying racism doesn't exist.
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#167 » by chrismikayla » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:18 am

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chrismikayla wrote:I was a Riley fan, but this reeks of "plantation owner" mentality where these players are seen as personal property.


Here we go....the guy who wants to make everything about race enters the conversation! Get outta here with this garbage post. People are sick of this crap. :crazy:

Of course you're privileged enough to dismiss anything related to this.
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#168 » by BAMAFREAK » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:24 am

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chrismikayla wrote:I was a Riley fan, but this reeks of "plantation owner" mentality where these players are seen as personal property.


wtf is wrong with you man. People feeling like this is a huge part of what’s wrong with society today.

Only in a country that is so privileged would someone bring up “plantation owner” and a player being “personal property” when the guy is getting paid 50 million a year to play basketball. Gtfo of here


"A particular theme that the NBA has adopted from general society is the legacy of the plantation mentality. Though in today’s world, star basketball players are routinely paid millions of dollars to demonstrate their physical abilities, there are still a shocking amount of parallels between today’s owner-athlete relationship and the slave master-slave relationship of 200 hundred years ago. There is a pattern of NBA owners, or in today’s lingo “team governors”, who look at athletes not as fellow men or staff, but as property or bodies to control. "

I think you need to GTFO since you made it personal. Just because you haven't realized it in your bubble doesnt mean it isn't real. It's like saying racism doesn't exist.



It’s nothing like saying racism doesn’t exist. It’s just the writer of that asinine quote and you looking to be aggrieved by guys who are legit making 50 million a year playing a game being idolized by people of all races.
I don’t care what or where you read that, theirs is no parallel. Jimmy had way more in common with the team owner than he has in common with you, me, or slaves of any era.
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#169 » by Exp0sed » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:27 am

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BBallFreak wrote:Yeah, they thought, "If he's digging it, 7 minutes is all he needs to play."

WT actual F?

Are you kidding me?

Are we supposed to play a person who doesn't deserve to play just because you think we should?

You wouldn't tolerate this on your team and we're not going to tolerate it on ours. It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise...


I didn't say I would tolerate it, all I said was they should have left him off the active roster if he's dogging it

they were trying to get him to implode and they chose to let him show-up and tell him at shootaround that Highsmith is starting in his place lol. couldv'e given him a heads up too, u know...they knew exactly what they doing

No, buddy, they can't. The CBA no longer allows that. You can't send him home if he wants to play. Jimmy would have to agree to staying home and he's choosing not to.


they didn't have to send him home, no reason to give him the comfort of his home instead they should have kept him glued to the bench, DNPCD . the Heat are all about hardwork, teamwork etc., if a player isn't giving a 100% doesn't matter if he's the star or a 3rd stringer - he has no place on the court. by "Heat culture" there's probably not a bigger sin than dogging it and not even trying, right?

you don't get rewarded with 7 mins for that, u stay glued to the bench until you show some professionalism

but they didn't keep him on the bench, they marched him to practice and let him know in front of everyone that he's been demoted, they wanted him to storm off...
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#170 » by D.Brasco » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:30 am

What team at this point is wanting to trade for a declining 35 year old headcase with a massive contract?
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#171 » by Enzo954 » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:30 am

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chrismikayla wrote:I was a Riley fan, but this reeks of "plantation owner" mentality where these players are seen as personal property.


Here we go....the guy who wants to make everything about race enters the conversation! Get outta here with this garbage post. People are sick of this crap. :crazy:

Of course you're privileged enough to dismiss anything related to this.


That's right. I'm a privileged person who's tired of listening to race baiting nonsense from people like yourself who want to bring the subject into everything they discuss. If you want to believe that Pat Riley is equivalent to a slave owning plantation owner because Jimmy The Diva Butler wants an immediate trade and he's not getting his way then go ahead. You figured it out bro. Pat Riley is the white devil. Thank you for enlightening all of us! :lol:
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#172 » by BBallFreak » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:33 am

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I didn't say I would tolerate it, all I said was they should have left him off the active roster if he's dogging it

they were trying to get him to implode and they chose to let him show-up and tell him at shootaround that Highsmith is starting in his place lol. couldv'e given him a heads up too, u know...they knew exactly what they doing

No, buddy, they can't. The CBA no longer allows that. You can't send him home if he wants to play. Jimmy would have to agree to staying home and he's choosing not to.


they didn't have to send him home, no reason to give him the comfort of his home instead they should have kept him glued to the bench, DNPCD . the Heat are all about hardwork, teamwork etc., if a player isn't giving a 100% doesn't matter if he's the star or a 3rd stringer - he has no place on the court. by "Heat culture" there's probably not a bigger sin than dogging it and not even trying, right?

you don't get rewarded with 7 mins for that, u stay glued to the bench until you show some professionalism

but they didn't keep him on the bench, they marched him to practice and let him know in front of everyone that he's been demoted, they wanted him to storm off...

No problem with that. He was humiliating himself and disrespecting his coaches and teammates. Him being on the bench is no guarantee he was going to play.
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#173 » by Exp0sed » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:35 am

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BBallFreak wrote:No, buddy, they can't. The CBA no longer allows that. You can't send him home if he wants to play. Jimmy would have to agree to staying home and he's choosing not to.


they didn't have to send him home, no reason to give him the comfort of his home instead they should have kept him glued to the bench, DNPCD . the Heat are all about hardwork, teamwork etc., if a player isn't giving a 100% doesn't matter if he's the star or a 3rd stringer - he has no place on the court. by "Heat culture" there's probably not a bigger sin than dogging it and not even trying, right?

you don't get rewarded with 7 mins for that, u stay glued to the bench until you show some professionalism

but they didn't keep him on the bench, they marched him to practice and let him know in front of everyone that he's been demoted, they wanted him to storm off...

No problem with that. He was humiliating himself and disrespecting his coaches and teammates. Him being on the bench is no guarantee he was going to play.


fair enough

i'm sticking to my original guns tho, they could have done the same thing but in a respectful manner if they were interested in an amicable outcome. imo, they weren't interested in such an outcome but rather in the opposite
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#174 » by BBallFreak » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:37 am

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they didn't have to send him home, no reason to give him the comfort of his home instead they should have kept him glued to the bench, DNPCD . the Heat are all about hardwork, teamwork etc., if a player isn't giving a 100% doesn't matter if he's the star or a 3rd stringer - he has no place on the court. by "Heat culture" there's probably not a bigger sin than dogging it and not even trying, right?

you don't get rewarded with 7 mins for that, u stay glued to the bench until you show some professionalism

but they didn't keep him on the bench, they marched him to practice and let him know in front of everyone that he's been demoted, they wanted him to storm off...

No problem with that. He was humiliating himself and disrespecting his coaches and teammates. Him being on the bench is no guarantee he was going to play.


fair enough

i'm sticking to my original guns tho, they could have done the same thing but in a respectful manner if they were interested in an amicable outcome. imo, they weren't interested in such an outcome but rather in the opposite

He hasn't been respectful and his presence on the team has been a horrible distraction. He's been sulking throughout the process and it shows with the way the team plays with him and without him. Him getting DNPCD's would be a disaster.

Do you understand that Jimmy is actively attempting to destroy the team's chemistry just like he did with Minnesota, except worse because he has no trade value and Riley is giving him hell right back?
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#175 » by Pointgod » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:38 am

JDR720 wrote:At this point, I think they're trying to make very sure he doesn't pick up his player option. Jimmy has caused himself to have 0 value, and the only team he wants to go to can't trade for him unless they dump Beal on someone first.


It’s kind of stupid though. If you’re willing to lose him for nothing, then why not find a deal that gets you expiring contracts and picks? This is just Heat being petty, yes Jimmy has been a pain in the ass but at this point you’re lowering his value.
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#176 » by BBallFreak » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:39 am

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JDR720 wrote:At this point, I think they're trying to make very sure he doesn't pick up his player option. Jimmy has caused himself to have 0 value, and the only team he wants to go to can't trade for him unless they dump Beal on someone first.


It’s kind of stupid though. If you’re willing to lose him for nothing, then why not find a deal that gets you expiring contracts and picks? This is just Heat being petty, yes Jimmy has been a pain in the ass but at this point you’re lowering his value.

If you were a team other than the Suns, knowing Jimmy only wants the Suns, would you give that up for him?
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#177 » by MVP1992 » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:39 am

D.Brasco wrote:What team at this point is wanting to trade for a declining 35 year old headcase with a massive contract?


Sixers probably :nonono:
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#178 » by Exp0sed » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:41 am

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BBallFreak wrote:No problem with that. He was humiliating himself and disrespecting his coaches and teammates. Him being on the bench is no guarantee he was going to play.


fair enough

i'm sticking to my original guns tho, they could have done the same thing but in a respectful manner if they were interested in an amicable outcome. imo, they weren't interested in such an outcome but rather in the opposite

He hasn't been respectful and his presence on the team has been a horrible distraction. He's been sulking throughout the process and it shows with the way the team plays with him and without him. Him getting DNPCD's would be a disaster.

Do you understand that Jimmy is actively attempting to destroy the team's chemistry just like he did with Minnesota, except worse because he has no trade value and Riley is giving him hell right back?


fine, then have him sit at home. what's the purpose of humilating him?

and yes ofc I understand he's actively attempting to destroy the team's chemistry but I also think Riley and Spo were so pissed about it they decided to goad him and haze him, knowing he will react and give them contractual cause to send him home and dock his pay :)
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#179 » by Pointgod » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:47 am

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JDR720 wrote:At this point, I think they're trying to make very sure he doesn't pick up his player option. Jimmy has caused himself to have 0 value, and the only team he wants to go to can't trade for him unless they dump Beal on someone first.


It’s kind of stupid though. If you’re willing to lose him for nothing, then why not find a deal that gets you expiring contracts and picks? This is just Heat being petty, yes Jimmy has been a pain in the ass but at this point you’re lowering his value.

If you were a team other than the Suns, knowing Jimmy only wants the Suns, would you give that up for him?


Well it’s up to the Heat to find the market for Butler especially if there’s only one other team in play. Riley thinks he has options but if I’m a team not named the Suns the longer this drama drags out the less I’m willing to treat Butler as anything than an expiring contract which means Butler’s trade value is dropping because of this pissing match between Jimmy and Riley.
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#180 » by NbaAllDay » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:48 am

Not really surprised.

Jimmy has had a habit of causing issues within previous teams but success (or perceived success) does a good job of covering it up.

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