2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 3: Son of daughter of MVP thread)

[MaliBrah]

Why are people incuding Chet in these comparisons as if he's been playing? Jokic stans are delusional

They're shameless lol

[MaliBrah]

OKC without Shai would still be a playoff team.

I hope this wasn't an actual sincere statement.

Come on man.

Cason Wallace is an overqualified backup. The obviously aren't winning 65 games without SGA, but I think that's still a 45-50 win team if Wallace is your starter.

The Thunder are just a deep, extremely well coached team. SGA is not doing a carry job over there like Jokic is in in Denver. Not even close.

Cason Wallace is a starter , they experimented with other lineups but Cason has started like the last 30 games almost lol

Chet has been out almost all season , Hartenstein has missed loads of games. Shai is doing a huge lift job

[RRR3]

Look I know Cason Wallace plays great defense but he's averaging 7.5/3.5/2.5 on 53.2 TS% in 27.5 MPG. If he played with Jokic, these same posters would be saying he's one of the most useless players in the league and should be in Europe. Now he's "overqualified" despite scoring like Brian Scalabrine.

[Asheen]

Look I know Cason Wallace plays great defense but he's averaging 7.5/3.5/2.5 on 53.2 TS% in 27.5 MPG. If he played with Jokic, these same posters would be saying he's one of the most useless players in the league and should be in Europe. Now he's "overqualified" despite scoring like Brian Scalabrine.

If he played with Jokic his numbers would go way up , just like everyone else who share court with Jokic. Best example is RW who was out of league before start of season, not wanted by any team

[AleksandarN]

Look I know Cason Wallace plays great defense but he's averaging 7.5/3.5/2.5 on 53.2 TS% in 27.5 MPG. If he played with Jokic, these same posters would be saying he's one of the most useless players in the league and should be in Europe. Now he's "overqualified" despite scoring like Brian Scalabrine.

If he played with Jokic his numbers would go way up , just like everyone else who share court with Jokic. Best example is RW who was out of league before start of season, not wanted by any team

They don’t get it do they? Btw 21/5/8 on 10/10 shooting at the half right now.

[Jaqua92]

OKC fans are shameless. The notion that Shai is doing a comparible carry job is a joke.

I know fans of a franchise that has never won **** tend to not know better.... But this is getting bad.

[Jaqua92]

Look I know Cason Wallace plays great defense but he's averaging 7.5/3.5/2.5 on 53.2 TS% in 27.5 MPG. If he played with Jokic, these same posters would be saying he's one of the most useless players in the league and should be in Europe. Now he's "overqualified" despite scoring like Brian Scalabrine.

If he played with Jokic his numbers would go way up , just like everyone else who share court with Jokic. Best example is RW who was out of league before start of season, not wanted by any team

They don’t get it do they? Btw 21/5/8 on 10/10 shooting at the half right now.

Let those OKC fans live in their fantasy world.

When you think regular season play has any meaningful implications, AND you still can't look at it objectively...

[DrModesty]

Look I know Cason Wallace plays great defense but he's averaging 7.5/3.5/2.5 on 53.2 TS% in 27.5 MPG. If he played with Jokic, these same posters would be saying he's one of the most useless players in the league and should be in Europe. Now he's "overqualified" despite scoring like Brian Scalabrine.

If he played with Jokic his numbers would go way up , just like everyone else who share court with Jokic. Best example is RW who was out of league before start of season, not wanted by any team

Westbrook is scoring 2 extra ppg while playing 5 extra minutes. Per 100 possessions he is actually down in scoring. Not to say RW isn't having a better year, because he is, and Jokic is a part of that. But Wallace wouldn't have some massive scoring leap if he played on the Nuggets.

[Jaqua92]

Look I know Cason Wallace plays great defense but he's averaging 7.5/3.5/2.5 on 53.2 TS% in 27.5 MPG. If he played with Jokic, these same posters would be saying he's one of the most useless players in the league and should be in Europe. Now he's "overqualified" despite scoring like Brian Scalabrine.

If he played with Jokic his numbers would go way up , just like everyone else who share court with Jokic. Best example is RW who was out of league before start of season, not wanted by any team

Westbrook is scoring 2 extra ppg while playing 5 extra minutes. Per 100 possessions he is actually down in scoring. Not to say RW isn't having a better year, because he is, and Jokic is a part of that. But Wallace wouldn't have some massive scoring leap if he played on the Nuggets.

His effeciency absolutely would increase.

[Jaqua92]

It's one thing to say that SGA is the MVP by looking at the entire criteria, but it's another to say he's having a comparible carry job, and is playing just as good as one of the offensive goats having the best season of his career.

That's disengenous

[RRR3]

If you don't worship Jokic and think he's better than MJ you're an OKC fan. Even if you have a Heat or Raptors logo in your profile.

[MaliBrah]

so today we have learned that Cason Wallace is the next Harden hiding in plain sight down the thunder's depth chart and with denver he would become that because of Jokic and that Chet has magically played all these games he's missed.

[DrModesty]

If he played with Jokic his numbers would go way up , just like everyone else who share court with Jokic. Best example is RW who was out of league before start of season, not wanted by any team

Westbrook is scoring 2 extra ppg while playing 5 extra minutes. Per 100 possessions he is actually down in scoring. Not to say RW isn't having a better year, because he is, and Jokic is a part of that. But Wallace wouldn't have some massive scoring leap if he played on the Nuggets.

His effeciency absolutely would increase.

His efficiency was superb last year as a rookie. This year it dropped because he had a horrible start to the year on his open 3's, and he has tried to self create a little more inside the arc.

So, it might increase slightly, but as I said, nothing massive.

[Big J]

Jokic puts up big stats, but he's been really bad on D lately. I don't know why no one acknowledges this in MVP discussions.

[Jurassic_Park]

Denver may fall below the lakers in the standings at this rate. Entire team plays zero defence

[SpurNani]

In football terms,, Jokic is the QB who puts up big numbers because the team has no running game and a bad defense and is in a shootout every week. But if you look closely, you see that the QB also turns the ball over a lot and puts his team in bad positions which is the equivalent of Jokics terrible defense.

So yeah, his stats are nice. But he's not playing championship basketball. They just lost to the freaking bulls bro.

[Castle Black]

Jamal Murray falling off a cliff this season will be the Nuggets' undoing. They simply don't have enough offense outside of Joker to offset their defensive shortcomings. And Christian Braun had a hell of a game tonight too.

Jokic tonight: 33/10/14/1 on 71% FG%

Christian Braun: 28/5/4/2 on 73% FG%

Rest of the team: 60 pts on 26/64 - 39% FG%

Supporting cast has to be better, especially the vets like Murray, Gordon, MPJ, and Westbrook.

[TinmanZBoy]

Lonzo said to Murray "yal can dance whatever cutie stuff, I am going to rain down 3s on you, bitxx"

[AleksandarN]

In football terms,, Jokic is the QB who puts up big numbers because the team has no running game and a bad defense and is in a shootout every week. But if you look closely, you see that the QB also turns the ball over a lot and puts his team in bad positions which is the equivalent of Jokics terrible defense.

So yeah, his stats are nice. But he's not playing championship basketball. They just lost to the freaking bulls bro.

Turn over the ball a lot? Ok lol.

[Infinite Llamas]

In football terms,, Jokic is the QB who puts up big numbers because the team has no running game and a bad defense and is in a shootout every week. But if you look closely, you see that the QB also turns the ball over a lot and puts his team in bad positions which is the equivalent of Jokics terrible defense.

So yeah, his stats are nice. But he's not playing championship basketball. They just lost to the freaking bulls bro.

Yeah. Because he’s supposed defend the paint, grab rebounds, and defend the perimeter every possession. Ain’t his fault that Ayo and LaVine were draining threes all game. Blaming the defense failures on Jokic when he has guys like Murray and MPJ being useless on the perimeter is ridiculous.