Windhorst: Bulls are talking to Suns about Bradley Beal? Update page 4: Beal rejects us

[Jeffster81]

Did not want him anyways. Never understood why the Bulls had interest.

But what it goes to show is Chicago ownership and FO will keep the Bulls from ever being premier free agency designation.

[HomoSapien]

As has been the theme for several years now, we need to define what direction this team is going in. If it's finally embracing the rebuild, then get those 4 picks and workout a buyout for Beal. We've eaten big contracts in the past. Beal's is by far the biggest, but it doesn't really matter if we are ok being purposely bad while we accumulate picks and develop the younger players.

[WindyCityBorn]

As has been the theme for several years now, we need to define what direction this team is going in. If it's finally embracing the rebuild, then get those 4 picks and workout a buyout for Beal. We've eaten big contracts in the past. Beal's is by far the biggest, but it doesn't really matter if we are ok being purposely bad while we accumulate picks and develop the younger players.

Name one team that has ever eaten a super max contract? The picks are basically worthless and our young players are getting more than enough development. What you are suggesting is completely unrealistic.

[HomoSapien]

As has been the theme for several years now, we need to define what direction this team is going in. If it's finally embracing the rebuild, then get those 4 picks and workout a buyout for Beal. We've eaten big contracts in the past. Beal's is by far the biggest, but it doesn't really matter if we are ok being purposely bad while we accumulate picks and develop the younger players.

Name one team that has ever eaten a super max contract? The picks are basically worthless and our young players are getting more than enough development. What you are suggesting is completely unrealistic.

Who cares if it has been done before or not? The Pistons paid Monty Williams a boatload of money to go away. Just make the move that makes sense for the organization. I have no hesitation in saying that accumulating a bunch of picks and bottoming out to try and get a star is a better direction than whatever the **** we are currently doing.

Isbia is rich and desperate. Use that to your advantage to make this buyout palatable --- maybe that includes a **** ton of cash considerations and additional future pick swaps.

[Dez]

As has been the theme for several years now, we need to define what direction this team is going in. If it's finally embracing the rebuild, then get those 4 picks and workout a buyout for Beal. We've eaten big contracts in the past. Beal's is by far the biggest, but it doesn't really matter if we are ok being purposely bad while we accumulate picks and develop the younger players.

Name one team that has ever eaten a super max contract? The picks are basically worthless and our young players are getting more than enough development. What you are suggesting is completely unrealistic.

The picks aren't worthless, they aren't high picks but they are assets which are something we are severely lacking.

We need to rebuild, we need to cash in on Coby and Ayo and we need to fire Williams into the sun.

You might be fine with this treadmilling garbage but a lot of fans aren't.

[WindyCityBorn]

As has been the theme for several years now, we need to define what direction this team is going in. If it's finally embracing the rebuild, then get those 4 picks and workout a buyout for Beal. We've eaten big contracts in the past. Beal's is by far the biggest, but it doesn't really matter if we are ok being purposely bad while we accumulate picks and develop the younger players.

Name one team that has ever eaten a super max contract? The picks are basically worthless and our young players are getting more than enough development. What you are suggesting is completely unrealistic.

Who cares if it has been done before or not? The Pistons paid Monty Williams a boatload of money to go away. Just make the move that makes sense for the organization. I have no hesitation in saying that accumulating a bunch of picks and bottoming out to try and get a star is a better direction than whatever the **** we are currently doing.

Isbia is rich and desperate. Use that to your advantage to make this buyout palatable --- maybe that includes a **** ton of cash considerations and additional future pick swaps.

So you realize it’s completely unrealistic trade scenario. Comparing a coach make less than $10 million to guy making almost $60 million by the end of his deal is hilarious. Exactly what kind of buyout do you think Beal would even accept? It makes absolutely zero sense or him.

This is pointless because he thankfully vetoed a trade here.

[Indomitable]

Name one team that has ever eaten a super max contract? The picks are basically worthless and our young players are getting more than enough development. What you are suggesting is completely unrealistic.

Who cares if it has been done before or not? The Pistons paid Monty Williams a boatload of money to go away. Just make the move that makes sense for the organization. I have no hesitation in saying that accumulating a bunch of picks and bottoming out to try and get a star is a better direction than whatever the **** we are currently doing.

Isbia is rich and desperate. Use that to your advantage to make this buyout palatable --- maybe that includes a **** ton of cash considerations and additional future pick swaps.

So you realize it’s completely unrealistic trade scenario. Comparing a coach make less than $10 million to guy making almost $60 million by the end of his deal is hilarious. Exactly what kind of buyout do you think Beal would even accept? It makes absolutely zero sense or him.

This is pointless because he thankfully vetoed a trade here.

Plus one counts against the cap. Therefore you have dead cap space hoping for the miracle of the savior.

[cocktailswith_2short]

I hope it gets done . Tank is fully committed and we have a war chest to trade .

War chest to trade? Man there is serious coping going on here. Beal and what are essentially a couple of 2nd picks will not change our future.

We would have received multiple first round picks in the deal .

[HomoSapien]

So you realize it’s completely unrealistic trade scenario. Comparing a coach make less than $10 million to guy making almost $60 million by the end of his deal is hilarious

Hey, how about have one conversation without being rude. But you're arguing with yourself here. No dispute from me that it's unlikely the cheap Bulls eat that money. My stance is that the Bulls should do it because it's a good move.

I didn't bring up Monty WIlliams to compare the money, I brought it up as an example of a team doing something that would seem completely unlikely. Teams don't normally eat one of the largest coaching salaries ever a year into the deal, but the Pistons did it because it was right for their organization. And guess what? It's paying off.

I explained my reasoning above, but I am happy to explain it again since you ignored it. The Bulls can afford to eat his salary while they accumulate and bottom out for high picks. It's far from ideal, but less-than-ideal alternatives are what you get when you deplete your assets for Vucevic and DeRozan.

Exactly what kind of buyout do you think Beal would even accept? It makes absolutely zero sense or him.

Why does it make zero sense? He's in a situation where he's coming off the bench for a team that doesn't want him around. A buyout lets him hand pick the best situation possible for him and his family. As for how much of a buyout would he accept... I think it's pretty likely he'd be able to get a multiyear deal worth the MLE at the minimum (from next off-season), so I would start there.

This is pointless because he thankfully vetoed a trade here.

He vetoed a trade to Chicago. What I'm discussing is a scenario where he never has to step foot in Chicago.

[WindyCityBorn]

I hope it gets done . Tank is fully committed and we have a war chest to trade .

War chest to trade? Man there is serious coping going on here. Beal and what are essentially a couple of 2nd picks will not change our future.

We would have received multiple first round picks in the deal .

Picks owned by teams with the best records in the NBA.

[WindyCityBorn]

So you realize it’s completely unrealistic trade scenario. Comparing a coach make less than $10 million to guy making almost $60 million by the end of his deal is hilarious

Hey, how about have one conversation without being rude. But you're arguing with yourself here. No dispute from me that it's unlikely the cheap Bulls eat that money. My stance is that the Bulls should do it because it's a good move.

I didn't bring up Monty WIlliams to compare the money, I brought it up as an example of a team doing something that would seem completely unlikely. Teams don't normally eat one of the largest coaching salaries ever a year into the deal, but the Pistons did it because it was right for their organization. And guess what? It's paying off.

I explained my reasoning above, but I am happy to explain it again since you ignored it. The Bulls can afford to eat his salary while they accumulate and bottom out for high picks. It's far from ideal, but less-than-ideal alternatives are what you get when you deplete your assets for Vucevic and DeRozan.

Exactly what kind of buyout do you think Beal would even accept? It makes absolutely zero sense or him.

Why does it make zero sense? He's in a situation where he's coming off the bench for a team that doesn't want him around. A buyout lets him hand pick the best situation possible for him and his family. As for how much of a buyout would he accept... I think it's pretty likely he'd be able to get a multiyear deal worth the MLE at the minimum (from next off-season), so I would start there.

This is pointless because he thankfully vetoed a trade here.

He vetoed a trade to Chicago. What I'm discussing is a scenario where he never has to step foot in Chicago.

Sorry I’m bit passionate about this topic. I do want him near the Bulls and I don’t think we’d buy him out.

So pay him $40 plus million to not play for us? I know the Bulls have notoriously cheap ownership, but I don’t if any owner would do this. I’d rather trade Zach for decent 1st and some more young reclamation projects like Giddey. I just don’t see how two picks around 30th are going to jump start our rebuild.

The only player I think needs go the deadline no matter what is Vuc. Getting him off the team will really accelerate our losing and this probably the last time he will have any real value.

[BullChit]

Don't want Beal at all but damn... Rejected by Beal... That makes me sadder for our team that getting Beal would have haha

[Indomitable]

So you realize it’s completely unrealistic trade scenario. Comparing a coach make less than $10 million to guy making almost $60 million by the end of his deal is hilarious

Hey, how about have one conversation without being rude. But you're arguing with yourself here. No dispute from me that it's unlikely the cheap Bulls eat that money. My stance is that the Bulls should do it because it's a good move.

I didn't bring up Monty WIlliams to compare the money, I brought it up as an example of a team doing something that would seem completely unlikely. Teams don't normally eat one of the largest coaching salaries ever a year into the deal, but the Pistons did it because it was right for their organization. And guess what? It's paying off.

I explained my reasoning above, but I am happy to explain it again since you ignored it. The Bulls can afford to eat his salary while they accumulate and bottom out for high picks. It's far from ideal, but less-than-ideal alternatives are what you get when you deplete your assets for Vucevic and DeRozan.

Exactly what kind of buyout do you think Beal would even accept? It makes absolutely zero sense or him.

Why does it make zero sense? He's in a situation where he's coming off the bench for a team that doesn't want him around. A buyout lets him hand pick the best situation possible for him and his family. As for how much of a buyout would he accept... I think it's pretty likely he'd be able to get a multiyear deal worth the MLE at the minimum (from next off-season), so I would start there.

This is pointless because he thankfully vetoed a trade here.

He vetoed a trade to Chicago. What I'm discussing is a scenario where he never has to step foot in Chicago.

Sorry I’m bit passionate about this topic. I do want him near the Bulls and I don’t think we’d buy him out.

So pay him $40 plus million to not play for us? I know the Bulls have notoriously cheap ownership, but I don’t if any owner would do this. I’d rather trade Zach for decent 1st and some more young reclamation projects like Giddey. I just don’t see how two picks around 30th are going to jump start our rebuild.

The only player I think needs go the deadline no matter what is Vuc. Getting him off the team will really accelerate our losing and this probably the last time he will have any real value.

Actually I agree that it is an apples to oranges comparison.

People act like this team is a forward think organization. The Bulls are not and never have been a team that thinks outside of the box.

The one good thing about a rebuilding team is the ability get under the salary cap and make moves that improve your team future. This can be done by acquiring draft picks or taking chances on players that require development time.

Having 50 million in dead cap space makes things a lot tougher.

Things as they stand now with the new CBA and with the second apron. It would be shortsighted to hamper yourself with 50 million in dead cap space.

The ability to facilitate trades with cap space is one of the few advantages to tanking. It allows you to gain assets. These assets then can be used in trades once to help with the rebuild.

The Monty Williams contract is just cash and does not count against the salary cap. Therefore, besides cash it does not create limitations.

The Beals move actually makes things harder and limits their flexibility. The Bulls in their rebuild has always been too shortsighted and never took advantage of their cap space.

How can you not take advantage of teams trying to win with the 2nd apron?

We could recoup the draft capital that we gave up in 2020.

[HomoSapien]

Hey, how about have one conversation without being rude. But you're arguing with yourself here. No dispute from me that it's unlikely the cheap Bulls eat that money. My stance is that the Bulls should do it because it's a good move.

I didn't bring up Monty WIlliams to compare the money, I brought it up as an example of a team doing something that would seem completely unlikely. Teams don't normally eat one of the largest coaching salaries ever a year into the deal, but the Pistons did it because it was right for their organization. And guess what? It's paying off.

I explained my reasoning above, but I am happy to explain it again since you ignored it. The Bulls can afford to eat his salary while they accumulate and bottom out for high picks. It's far from ideal, but less-than-ideal alternatives are what you get when you deplete your assets for Vucevic and DeRozan.



Why does it make zero sense? He's in a situation where he's coming off the bench for a team that doesn't want him around. A buyout lets him hand pick the best situation possible for him and his family. As for how much of a buyout would he accept... I think it's pretty likely he'd be able to get a multiyear deal worth the MLE at the minimum (from next off-season), so I would start there.



He vetoed a trade to Chicago. What I'm discussing is a scenario where he never has to step foot in Chicago.

Sorry I’m bit passionate about this topic. I do want him near the Bulls and I don’t think we’d buy him out.

So pay him $40 plus million to not play for us? I know the Bulls have notoriously cheap ownership, but I don’t if any owner would do this. I’d rather trade Zach for decent 1st and some more young reclamation projects like Giddey. I just don’t see how two picks around 30th are going to jump start our rebuild.

The only player I think needs go the deadline no matter what is Vuc. Getting him off the team will really accelerate our losing and this probably the last time he will have any real value.

Actually I agree that it is an apples to oranges comparison.

People act like this team is a forward think organization. The Bulls are not and never have been a team that thinks outside of the box.

The one good thing about a rebuilding team is the ability get under the salary cap and make moves that improve your team future. This can be done by acquiring draft picks or taking chances on players that require development time.

Having 50 million in dead cap space makes things a lot tougher.

Things as they stand now with the new CBA and with the second apron. It would be shortsighted to hamper yourself with 50 million in dead cap space.

The ability to facilitate trades with cap space is one of the few advantages to tanking. It allows you to gain assets. These assets then can be used in trades once to help with the rebuild.

The Monty Williams contract is just cash and does not count against the salary cap. Therefore, besides cash it does not create limitations.

The Beals move actually makes things harder and limits their flexibility. The Bulls in their rebuild has always been too shortsighted and never took advantage of their cap space.

How can you not take advantage of teams trying to win with the 2nd apron?

We could recoup the draft capital that we gave up in 2020.

Hold up, I need to call this out. You accused others of pretending the Bulls do out-of-the-box moves (for the record, I don't know a single fan that thinks that) -- but then you went on to propose an out-of-the-box idea for them to do.

AKME basically has two moves: Sign people to the MLE or acquire them by sending out more draft picks than anyone else would give for the same player.

[Indomitable]

Sorry I’m bit passionate about this topic. I do want him near the Bulls and I don’t think we’d buy him out.

So pay him $40 plus million to not play for us? I know the Bulls have notoriously cheap ownership, but I don’t if any owner would do this. I’d rather trade Zach for decent 1st and some more young reclamation projects like Giddey. I just don’t see how two picks around 30th are going to jump start our rebuild.

The only player I think needs go the deadline no matter what is Vuc. Getting him off the team will really accelerate our losing and this probably the last time he will have any real value.

Actually I agree that it is an apples to oranges comparison.

People act like this team is a forward think organization. The Bulls are not and never have been a team that thinks outside of the box.

The one good thing about a rebuilding team is the ability get under the salary cap and make moves that improve your team future. This can be done by acquiring draft picks or taking chances on players that require development time.

Having 50 million in dead cap space makes things a lot tougher.

Things as they stand now with the new CBA and with the second apron. It would be shortsighted to hamper yourself with 50 million in dead cap space.

The ability to facilitate trades with cap space is one of the few advantages to tanking. It allows you to gain assets. These assets then can be used in trades once to help with the rebuild.

The Monty Williams contract is just cash and does not count against the salary cap. Therefore, besides cash it does not create limitations.

The Beals move actually makes things harder and limits their flexibility. The Bulls in their rebuild has always been too shortsighted and never took advantage of their cap space.

How can you not take advantage of teams trying to win with the 2nd apron?

We could recoup the draft capital that we gave up in 2020.

Hold up, I need to call this out. You accused others of pretending the Bulls do out-of-the-box moves (for the record, I don't know a single fan that thinks that) -- but then you went on to propose an out-of-the-box idea for them to do.

AKME basically has two moves: Sign people to the MLE or acquire them by sending out more draft picks than anyone else would give for the same player.

You said that your move was done from your point of view right.

I was living my dream out.

There does not exist a reality where the Bulls are going to eat 50 million with a smile. At least in my opinion.

I believe the Bulls are a team that will never accomplish another thing of note in my lifetime.

The owners are here to sell a dream. We have lived through almost 30 years of it. At least 5 rebuilds but not once thinking outside the box.

[JRoy]

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[2weekswithpay]

As has been the theme for several years now, we need to define what direction this team is going in. If it's finally embracing the rebuild, then get those 4 picks and workout a buyout for Beal. We've eaten big contracts in the past. Beal's is by far the biggest, but it doesn't really matter if we are ok being purposely bad while we accumulate picks and develop the younger players.

Name one team that has ever eaten a super max contract? The picks are basically worthless and our young players are getting more than enough development. What you are suggesting is completely unrealistic.

Houston when they traded Westbrook for John Wall. Wall's career was over when the Rockets traded for him, and all they got for swapping him for Westbrook was a heavily protected first.

[Indomitable]

As has been the theme for several years now, we need to define what direction this team is going in. If it's finally embracing the rebuild, then get those 4 picks and workout a buyout for Beal. We've eaten big contracts in the past. Beal's is by far the biggest, but it doesn't really matter if we are ok being purposely bad while we accumulate picks and develop the younger players.

Name one team that has ever eaten a super max contract? The picks are basically worthless and our young players are getting more than enough development. What you are suggesting is completely unrealistic.

Houston when they traded Westbrook for John Wall. Wall's career was over when the Rockets traded for him, and all they got for swapping him for Westbrook was a heavily protected first.

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2021-09-18/Where-can-John-Wall-go-after-reaching-farewell-agreement-with-Houston--13F7bLh6slW/index.html
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The fact that the Washington Wizards had to add four (protected) first-round draft picks to convince the Rockets to accept Wall already proved that he is a negative asset. The peaceful parting agreement he reached with the Rockets was worth praising, but hardly made it any easier for the team to get rid of him."

They also fought this man over the buyout for an entire season. It took a whole year to get a buyout.

Beals does not come here without that deal.

[Dominator83]

Name one team that has ever eaten a super max contract? The picks are basically worthless and our young players are getting more than enough development. What you are suggesting is completely unrealistic.

Who cares if it has been done before or not? The Pistons paid Monty Williams a boatload of money to go away. Just make the move that makes sense for the organization. I have no hesitation in saying that accumulating a bunch of picks and bottoming out to try and get a star is a better direction than whatever the **** we are currently doing.

Isbia is rich and desperate. Use that to your advantage to make this buyout palatable --- maybe that includes a **** ton of cash considerations and additional future pick swaps.

So you realize it’s completely unrealistic trade scenario. Comparing a coach make less than $10 million to guy making almost $60 million by the end of his deal is hilarious. Exactly what kind of buyout do you think Beal would even accept? It makes absolutely zero sense or him.

This is pointless because he thankfully vetoed a trade here.

Speaking of the pistons, they did waive Josh Smith with over 2 years and near MAX salary (at the time). Because SVG came in and knew it was what was best for the team moving forward

[ImSlower]

NTC's are commonplace in my fave sport, Ye Olde Base-Ball. Over here in the NBA, it's wild as hell to me that the only ones in this league that ever have been given are to LeBron and somehow Bradley Mr. Irrelevant Beal. I mean, we're a bunch of basketball nerds here and we know he put up numbers, etc. But even in their heyday, everyone could recognize John Wall's smile and his highlights - but did anyone ever talk about Beal then? Do people know what his jumper looks like, or what his best move is? Solid, All-NBA 4th team (optimistically) type player for sure. How in the hell did this guy manage something even Jokic or SGA or Wemby etc are going to get?

Anyway, weirdly unique contract. I can't even form an opinion on the mess of current max deals of angsty vets at this point.