Trade Talk (Part 16): Early Season Anxiety Edition

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Nick Richards has been playing well for PHO. Another steal (after Tyus and Monte min.deals ) for PHO. However, I can see how new CBA bites MIN. For instance, MIN cant aggregate contacts and cant receive more salaries in trade than send. So even a small trade target like Nick Richards is not available

Of course, Phoenix is working under the same second apron restrictions.

Yep, but I guess his owner goes all in this season, and also MIN don't have Okogie type of contract. So even a trade like NAW for Nick Richards is illegal.

[Klomp]

Nick Richards has been playing well for PHO. Another steal (after Tyus and Monte min.deals ) for PHO. However, I can see how new CBA bites MIN. For instance, MIN cant aggregate contacts and cant receive more salaries in trade than send. So even a small trade target like Nick Richards is not available

Of course, Phoenix is working under the same second apron restrictions.

Yep, but I guess his owner goes all in this season, and also MIN don't have Okogie type of contract. So even a trade like NAW for Nick Richards is illegal.

Correct. Rob and the 7 other vets are the guys who would've been legal.

[winforlose]

Nick Richards has been playing well for PHO. Another steal (after Tyus and Monte min.deals ) for PHO. However, I can see how new CBA bites MIN. For instance, MIN cant aggregate contacts and cant receive more salaries in trade than send. So even a small trade target like Nick Richards is not available

Of course, Phoenix is working under the same second apron restrictions.

Yep, but I guess his owner goes all in this season, and also MIN don't have Okogie type of contract. So even a trade like NAW for Nick Richards is illegal.

We could have had a JO type contract. I was really pissed we didn’t have a JO type contract. Instead we helped sign and trade Kyle Anderson to the Warriors for a 2nd. All we had to do was delay that trade by 3 months and we could have had actual value back for Kyle.

[cmoss84]

What about expiring vet contracts on teams who may or may not re-sign them? Anything here? I know a few of these names have been mentioned. I would have no issues working out smaller trades either, such as Minott for Yabusele...could also see a guy like Theis being pretty valuable. Would we be able to pry Paul away from Spurs? If any of these teams would be willing to take a chance on Randle, we could get something going with a multiple team trade that might be worth while. Thoughts?

WASH: Brogdon (22.5), Bagley III (12.5)
TOR: BBJr (23), Boucher (11), Mitchell (6.5)
CHAR: Mann (5), Gibson (2)
BRK: Melton (13), Williams (6), Cam Thomas (4), Sharpe (4), Watford (3)
CHI: Ball (21), Giddey (8), Duarte (6), Craig (3), THT (2)
MIA: Burks (2)
PHILLY: Jackson (2), Yabusele (2)
ATL: Capela (22), Nance Jr. (11), Roddy (3), Mathews (2)
NOP: JRE (2), Theis (2), Green (2)
SAS: Paul (10), Jones (9), Bassey (2), Sandro M. (2)
UTAH: Mills (2)
PORT: Banton (2), Walker (2)
GS: Looney (8), Kuminga (7.5)
SAC: Lyles (8), McDermott (2), JMac (2)

[winforlose]

What about expiring vet contracts on teams who may or may not re-sign them? Anything here? I know a few of these names have been mentioned. I would have no issues working out smaller trades either, such as Minott for Yabusele...could also see a guy like Theis being pretty valuable. Would we be able to pry Paul away from Spurs? If any of these teams would be willing to take a chance on Randle, we could get something going with a multiple team trade that might be worth while. Thoughts?

WASH: Brogdon (22.5), Bagley III (12.5)
TOR: BBJr (23), Boucher (11), Mitchell (6.5)
CHAR: Mann (5), Gibson (2)
BRK: Melton (13), Cam Thomas (4), Watford (3)
CHI: Ball (21), Giddey (8), Duarte (6), Craig (3), THT (2)
MIA: Burks (2)
PHILLY: Jackson (2), Yabusele (2)
ATL: Capela (22), Nance Jr. (11), Roddy (3), Mathews (2)
NOP: JRE (2), Theis (2), Green (2)
SAS: Paul (10), Jones (9), Bassey (2), Sandro M. (2)
UTAH: Mills (2)
PORT: Banton (2), Walker (2)
GS: Looney (8), Kuminga (7.5)
SAC: Lyles (8), McDermott (2), JMac (2)

If Ball is going to play for a minimum he might prefer to do so here. Then again he might choose Phoenix who will more likely than not lose Tyus. I think that if the Det pick conveys and we don’t trade it we draft a C and probably use him instead of a free agent. I would also hope in year 2 Dilly gets more consistent minutes. Mike will probably regress out of the rotation, but if we start DDV and run the 2 SG no PG lineup then Newton might be seen as all the emergency PG depth we need. The good news is Utah will suck next year and so if we suck next year we will likely still get a good pick. If we take this approach it is all about internal player development.

[Klomp]

If Jalen Johnson's injury ends up serious (no clue if it is), could Atlanta be a sleeper for Julius?

[shrink]

After we get an actual back up center ..

Luka Garza for Jordan MacLaughlin

MacLaughlin gives us a PG safety net [EDIT: “in case Conley goes down,”] with a guy that’s familiar playing with our team, particularly Naz. For SAC, Fox is likely staying. They play Fox, Malik Monk and Devin Carter all in front of JMac. They can use a little size, and Garza is familiar with Keegan Murray from their college days in Iowa. Luka has a no-trade clause, so he’d have to approve, which becomes more likely if we add a back up center (and it stays cold here!). CBA allows teams to swap vet min players, regardless of their actual salary - apron is based on cap hit.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

What about expiring vet contracts on teams who may or may not re-sign them? Anything here? I know a few of these names have been mentioned. I would have no issues working out smaller trades either, such as Minott for Yabusele...could also see a guy like Theis being pretty valuable. Would we be able to pry Paul away from Spurs? If any of these teams would be willing to take a chance on Randle, we could get something going with a multiple team trade that might be worth while. Thoughts?

WASH: Brogdon (22.5), Bagley III (12.5)
TOR: BBJr (23), Boucher (11), Mitchell (6.5)
CHAR: Mann (5), Gibson (2)
BRK: Melton (13), Williams (6), Cam Thomas (4), Sharpe (4), Watford (3)
CHI: Ball (21), Giddey (8), Duarte (6), Craig (3), THT (2)
MIA: Burks (2)
PHILLY: Jackson (2), Yabusele (2)
ATL: Capela (22), Nance Jr. (11), Roddy (3), Mathews (2)
NOP: JRE (2), Theis (2), Green (2)
SAS: Paul (10), Jones (9), Bassey (2), Sandro M. (2)
UTAH: Mills (2)
PORT: Banton (2), Walker (2)
GS: Looney (8), Kuminga (7.5)
SAC: Lyles (8), McDermott (2), JMac (2)

Still will go for Yabusele. Can back up Rudy , play SF and a good defender. Bargain.

[Klomp]

After we get an actual back up center ..

Luka Garza for Jordan MacLaughlin

MacLaughlin gives us a PG safety net, with a guy that’s familiar playing with our team, particularly Naz. For SAC, Fox is likely staying. They play Fox, Malik Monk and Devin Carter all in front of JMac. They can use a little size, and Garza is familiar with Keegan Murray from their college days in Iowa. Luka has a no-trade clause, so he’d have to approve, which becomes more likely if we add a back up center (and it stays cold here!). CBA allows teams to swap vet min players, regardless of their actual salary - apron is based on cap hit.

Works for me, though it might tempt Finch to not turn to Rob....

[shrink]

After we get an actual back up center ..

Luka Garza for Jordan MacLaughlin

MacLaughlin gives us a PG safety net, with a guy that’s familiar playing with our team, particularly Naz. For SAC, Fox is likely staying. They play Fox, Malik Monk and Devin Carter all in front of JMac. They can use a little size, and Garza is familiar with Keegan Murray from their college days in Iowa. Luka has a no-trade clause, so he’d have to approve, which becomes more likely if we add a back up center (and it stays cold here!). CBA allows teams to swap vet min players, regardless of their actual salary - apron is based on cap hit.

Works for me, though it might tempt Finch to not turn to Rob....

You know how I like a blockbuster.

I see JMac as a safety net in case Mike Conley gets hurt, or regresses to his early season issues. You could be right, and I know how Finch likes MacLaughlin because the ball zips around the court, but I think Dillingham has cemented his back up minutes right now. Dilly could learn a little from JMac too.

[shrink]

Regarding the back up center, I suggested looking in free agency at guys like Biyombo, JaVale McGee or Kaminsky, but using the 15th roster spot would be expensive for salary and lux, and those guys aren’t significantly better than Garza.

Probably a better approach is to look for a trade with Joe Ingles and incentive (cash? 2nd?) to find that back up center. Guys that have jobs on NBA rosters now are probably better anyway, and they wouldn’t cost additional lux taxes.

[guest81]

Im at the point where i would only trade Randle if you got real value for him. I would rather keep him then just salary dump him or trade him for picks

[shrink]

I’m going to expand my blockbuster - with two more vet min guys.

MIN GETS: Jordan MacLaughlin + Alex Len

SAC GETS: 2026 2nd (worst of IND, MIA, SA) + Luka Garza + Joe Ingles

[Klomp]

Im at the point where i would only trade Randle if you got real value for him. I would rather keep him then just salary dump him or trade him for picks

Why do I get the feeling they are going to start playing really well, to where more fans decide they would rather keep him, just for Connelly to ultimately trade him....

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Current mission: exploring three-way potential sending Butler to Houston, Randle to Miami, and Jabari Smith to Minnesota

[frankenwolf]

Current mission: exploring three-way potential sending Butler to Houston, Randle to Miami, and Jabari Smith to Minneota

Just a general question - Why would Houston want general soreness??

[Klomp]

One extremely under-the-radar name I've thought about is Jaxson Hayes. Only 24 years old, but built in the Gobert mold to where he could be a future successor and was on that NOP team with Finch, NAW, Demps, etc.

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[Klomp]

Current mission: exploring three-way potential sending Butler to Houston, Randle to Miami, and Jabari Smith to Minneota

Just a general question - Why would Houston want general soreness??

They've been linked to him over the years, so I don't expect it to be different now. It might be seen as a way to go all-in on this run they're making. Butler is a Texas native, which might be part of why they are always linked.

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[cmoss84]

Current mission: exploring three-way potential sending Butler to Houston, Randle to Miami, and Jabari Smith to Minneota

I used to live by Minneota! I'm from Marshall...

This one works, FWIW.

Houston OUT: Adams, Jabari, Green, Tate, Holiday
Houston IN: Butler, Burks

Miami OUT: Butler, Burks
Miami IN: Randle, Green, Tate

MN OUT: Randle
MN IN: Adams, Jabari, Holiday