2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Jimmy now has three strikes. First suspended for 10 games, followed by 3 games and now suspended again for indefinite amount of games. What happens next?

I think you just pivot to one of the 20 other supposed trades that Gambo is saying the Suns have that they're looking at to try and still upgrade their roster. Some smaller trades and some bigger premises.

For my part, I'd first keep our 25' CLE 1st and 2nd picks because those represent the kind of young, athletic cost controlled/ contractually controlled talent that can add impact and give us energy and an infusion of athleticism and tenacity that we've been missing just like Dunn has!

Next I'd be looking at all of the teams that will or have pivoted to having fire sales and prioritized rebuilding for potential matching salary options in exchange for some ( NOT ALL) of our CLE picks or swaps in smaller trade frameworks.

Then I'd be looking at possibly offloading Allen for a 1st, Jones for a late first or 2nds ( at his value), and maybe some combination of Plumlee, Bol, D Lee, etc for any draft assets or TPEs that we could get to package in a potentially bigger deal. Or as sweeteners in a trade. And I'd just hold onto Nurkic as a 4th rotation matchup/ insurance option until the summer and then use his expiring as an asset to any teams looking to dramatically cut cap.

Otherwise, I'd aggressively pursue a Nurkic/ CLE 26' 1st to New York for Robinson/ Kolek/ Dadiet deal. Or a Nurkic/ CLE 26' 1st to San Antonio for Paul/ Champagne/ mamukashavili deal.

I'd look to package our (CHO) TPE and a 2nd (acquired from a Jones trade) to Milwaukee for Gary Trent Jr (stopgap Allen replacement option) and then look at the vet min pool to replace end of bench gaps big defensive 3 & D wings with Leaky Black and/ or Alex Fudge.

Come summer, reassess everything and use our CLE 1st to draft a versatile athletic backup & D 4/5 to KD. And then use our 2nd to draft a jumbo 3& D wing forward.

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The already obvious!

[dremill24]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/278930/Sixers-Receiving-Trade-Interest-On-Guerschon-Yabusele-Eric-Gordon

If dancing bear is made available the Suns should be all over it. He's exactly what we need at the backup power forward spot. Basically a taller more athletic PJ Tucker.

While they have similar bulky body types, I dont see a lot of similarity in the skills/roles of Yabusele and Tucker.

Tucker's value was always on defense, defense, defense, while hitting a corner 3 now and then. Yabusele's talents mostly lie with the ball in his hands, having the ability to shoot from deep and attack off the dribble reasonably well, which when combined with his size, can be tough to deal with. I dont think hes providing a lot of defensive prowess.

I agree he's worth a look (though I'd guess we get outbid), but I'd consider re-aligning expectations of what he'd bring by not counting on a defensive stopper.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Ishbia already said he’s resigning KD so butler will have no impact on how long we suck for. I can’t believe there are people not wanting a Beal for Jimmy swap.

Beal for Jimmy straight up I'd be fine with. It's giving up the picks where I draw the line

For me even extending Butler would be insane but Ishbia is stupid enough to try and extend both KD and Butler well into their late 30's and possibly beyond.

If LBJ can do it then anyone can do it right?

LBJ though has a clear IV drip to steroids for awhile now so he can try and sustain his goals into his 50s if necessary. Some clear signs such as his early pattern balding and muscle tone/ definition fighting against itself, behavioral inconsistencies, etc BUT he g Williams ts a free pass from the league each year from any testing. Priviledge of the huge LA market propping.

Our aging cocoon like stars are just not afforded the same cushioning and will continue to disintegrate rapidly with heavy minutes allotted to try and remain relevant.

As many have pointed out, we're just digging a deeper grave in the long run. Someone really needs to tell Ishbia that "Denial" is also a river in Egypt! ....lol.

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[BobbieL]

Saber, Tragic, doubledees. Etc get this comment through your head what BobbieL wrote. If you get Butler we will struggle for a decade is that what you fkin want? You just want a few good years of butler, KD, Booker to lose in first or second round, correct? How are people this stupid is beyond me.

Ishbia already said he’s resigning KD so butler will have no impact on how long we suck for. I can’t believe there are people not wanting a Beal for Jimmy swap.

Beal for Jimmy straight up I'd be fine with. It's giving up the picks where I draw the line

BWG has a posted many pages ago that laid out the layers of picks

And he was right, a heavily protected FRP for butler is fine. Granted, I still don't think its a good trade

The troika of Booker, Durant and Butler, with the new CBA rules, the lack of draft picks is not winning an NBA title and that should be the goal. Not finish in 6th place and make the second round. It should be to win the title.

[BobbieL]

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The already obvious!

Suns need to pivot and keep riding with this team
and just see what happens
maybe a small move

butler is not worth overpaying for

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[Ghost of Kleine]

ALLEN TRADES

1- Allen/ CLE 26' 1st to Toronto for Olynyk/ Mogbo/ POR 25' 2nd ( 37th pick).

2- Allen to Orlando for Harris/ Howard/ DEN 25' 1st.

3- Allen/ CLE 26' 1st for Paul/ Champagne/ CHI 25' 2nd ( 39th pick).
** Flip Jones or Morris for a 2nd and then use that 2nd and our TPE to Milwaukee for G Trent Jr.

NURKIC TRADES

1- Nurkic/ CLE 1st to New York for Robinson/ Kolek/ Dadiet.

2- Nurkic/ CLE 1st to Indiana for Toppin/ Wiseman/ Freeman.

3- Nurkic/ CLE 1st to San Antonio for Paul/ Champagne/ filler/ CHI 25' 2nd ( 37th pick).

** followup trade of Jones to San Antonio for a 2nd to offset giving up Paul and so Tyus can play with his brother ( feel good story). Then use that 2nd and our TPE to MIL for GTrent jr to stopgap replace Allen.

[sunsbum]

God bless some of you. The amount of absolute perpetulant bitching we've heard about BB and now some of you are like (in the nerdiest voice possible) "let's see what we got guys!" If JB is locked in he's a killer, exactly what this team needs as well as positionally.

[bullsaficianado]

God bless some of you. The amount of absolute perpetulant bitching we've heard about BB and now some of you are like (in the nerdiest voice possible) "let's see what we got guys!" If JB is locked in he's a killer, exactly what this team needs as well as positionally.

Butler is what this team needs but we have a Bradley Beal problem. Chicago likely would have taken him but he won't waive his NTC. So Suns pretty much running out of options and the Heat already exploring other options as well to move Butler. Not sure what Ishbia can do at this point.

[Slim Charless]

God bless some of you. The amount of absolute perpetulant bitching we've heard about BB and now some of you are like (in the nerdiest voice possible) "let's see what we got guys!" If JB is locked in he's a killer, exactly what this team needs as well as positionally.

The fact that you and Puff are all about getting Butler, tells me all I need to know lol. Jimmy is a cancer and trading for him will kill this team's future for the rest of the decade. You think he'd bring a title to this team???

We won't even make it to the conference finals with him. Probably lose in the 1st tbh. No. It's time move on from Booker.

I want 0 trades until the summer when we need to call up Houston.

[bullsaficianado]

Why is it time to move on from Booker? he is only 28. Unless he asks out Durant will likely get traded before Booker ever does.

As for Butler, Ishbia can still explore his options but it's obvious Riley is going to hold onto him until 2/6. That is why they suspended him indefinitely. So they can get all the offers and determine the best path forward for their franchise. Getting Butler does not guarantee a title no NBA title is ever a sure thing.

[KdoubleDees23]

God bless some of you. The amount of absolute perpetulant bitching we've heard about BB and now some of you are like (in the nerdiest voice possible) "let's see what we got guys!" If JB is locked in he's a killer, exactly what this team needs as well as positionally.

Agree, now if all this talk happens and we dont get him, the locker room is going to be awkward with Bradley Beal .

Give me Butler all day for Beal.

[BobbieL]

God bless some of you. The amount of absolute perpetulant bitching we've heard about BB and now some of you are like (in the nerdiest voice possible) "let's see what we got guys!" If JB is locked in he's a killer, exactly what this team needs as well as positionally.

Same reason I didnt want the Durant trade
For the cost - really limit the ability to improve the roster combined with making the window smaller to win

Plus with the new CBA - trading for and extending butler and Durant would put this team 8-10 years away from truly being able to build a team

[BobbieL]

God bless some of you. The amount of absolute perpetulant bitching we've heard about BB and now some of you are like (in the nerdiest voice possible) "let's see what we got guys!" If JB is locked in he's a killer, exactly what this team needs as well as positionally.

The fact that you and Puff are all about getting Butler, tells me all I need to know lol. Jimmy is a cancer and trading for him will kill this team's future for the rest of the decade. You think he'd bring a title to this team???

We won't even make it to the conference finals with him. Probably lose in the 1st tbh. No. It's time move on from Booker.

I want 0 trades until the summer when we need to call up Houston.

I would trade Book and KD now but maybe that’s not on Houston’s timeline

Might make it to round 2 but that’s it

[KdoubleDees23]

God bless some of you. The amount of absolute perpetulant bitching we've heard about BB and now some of you are like (in the nerdiest voice possible) "let's see what we got guys!" If JB is locked in he's a killer, exactly what this team needs as well as positionally.

The fact that you and Puff are all about getting Butler, tells me all I need to know lol. Jimmy is a cancer and trading for him will kill this team's future for the rest of the decade. You think he'd bring a title to this team???

We won't even make it to the conference finals with him. Probably lose in the 1st tbh. No. It's time move on from Booker.

I want 0 trades until the summer when we need to call up Houston.

I would trade Book and KD now but maybe that’s not on Houston’s timeline

Might make it to round 2 but that’s it

You realize these players are all connected and if we just trade KD and Booker. They will talk to the stars and say dont go to Phoenix, its a S-Hole.

Then we are stuck with above average players, but no stars. We need to keep Booker here as he is only 28. If you trade, trade KD

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

God bless some of you. The amount of absolute perpetulant bitching we've heard about BB and now some of you are like (in the nerdiest voice possible) "let's see what we got guys!" If JB is locked in he's a killer, exactly what this team needs as well as positionally.

The fact that you and Puff are all about getting Butler, tells me all I need to know lol. Jimmy is a cancer and trading for him will kill this team's future for the rest of the decade. You think he'd bring a title to this team???

We won't even make it to the conference finals with him. Probably lose in the 1st tbh. No. It's time move on from Booker.

I want 0 trades until the summer when we need to call up Houston.

I would trade Book and KD now but maybe that’s not on Houston’s timeline

Might make it to round 2 but that’s it

Houston just beat Boston in Boston. Amen Thompson breaking out. Everyone's playing great. Chemistry's off the charts.

Trading with us only *looks* like a win-now move for HOU. In truth, standing pat is better for them this year as well as the long term.

Sure looks like to me like Brad will be coming off our bench for the rest of the season... Anyone we add will have to make less money than Jusuf Nurkic.

We might want to hold onto that '25 CLE pick, and just trade the other two. We'll be carrying this core into the summer. Another late FRP hit like Ryan Dunn sure would help.

[Slim Charless]

Butler is a cancer

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