Bradley Beal

[winforlose]

My guess is that he goes back to the WIZARDS, I guess Beal would be fine with coming home... 2 movements..
1 Brogdon/Kuzma/Gil for Beal+FRP

2 Nurkic/Dunn+FRP for Valanciunas/Davis+ 2 SRP...

Valanciunas/Richards/Plumlee
KD/Kuzma/Oso
Royce/Allen
Booker/Brogdon
Tyus/Morris


The Suns become super deep, now they are 6.6 million... then they use the 2 SRP to get rid of the Davis/Gil money and save a total of + 10 million, which would be a fortune in taxes...

the WIZARDS obtain a defensive project and future assets

Beal goes to a tank and won’t exactly be loved by the fans he left. He says no.

[gswhoops]

Just to nip this idea in the bud now, Beal does not make sense for GSW.

Even if you ignore the apron issues and assume this is happening in the offseason, we'd have to give up Wiggins (who is a flat out better player than Beal) and 3-4 other guys just to make the money work.

[SA37]

Based on the reporting I've seen, the only landing spots that make sense for Beal are Milwaukee, Denver, or Orlando. And all of them present issues since Milwaukee is a 2nd apron team, Denver has to send out MPJ and has no draft capital, and Orlando would need takers for J Isaac and KCP.

Miami might accept KCP as he he has championship experience and would be a big defensive guard who would slot in perfectly next to Herro. Not sure if the Raptors or Detroit would be willing to take on J Isaac if picks were attached to him.

[jayjaysee]

Phoenix should not waste a season trying to trade Beal. KD isn’t young enough to risk the Butler trade not going through and going into the playoffs with this group.

Really don’t see Beal agreeing to go to any team willing to take him.

Use value to upgrade Nurk. Probably trade Grayson for a bigger wing. Or an upgrade over Tyus maybe.

[Xman]

I see Lakers. Maybe a show with Washington since he used to play there (still has home?)

This deal would move LaVine and send Beal to LAL:

Might want to change where the picks go a little but that is easy.

Miami out: Jimmy, DRob
Miami in: LaVine, Hachimura, Vanderbilt, 2025&27 worst of UTA/CLE/MINN.
- Miami gets a scorer in LaVine and pf help with Vandy/Hachi. Plus picks.

Suns out: Beal plus all picks (2026 second worst of DEN/PHI; three firsts - 2025&27&29 worst of UTA/CLE/MINN; swap rights 2026 swap for worst of WAS/ORL/MEM/PHX, 2028 swap for worst of BKN/NY/WAS/PHX, 2030 swap for worst of WAS/MEM/PHX).
Suns in: Jimmy
- What Jimmy and PHX wants. Drains PHX of any tradeable picks.

Bulls out: LaVine
Bulls in: DRob (PO at $19.8 with buyout of 9.8), Hood-Schifino (expiring), Vincent (another year), Reddish (expiring), Milton (non-grty in 2026/26), 2029 worst of UTA/CLE/MINN.
- Bulls have been shopping LaVine and this lets them chop up his contract and get off the three year commitment. Also, get a small value pick.

LAL out: Vanderbilt, Hood-Schifino, Vincent, Reddish, Milton, Hachimura,
LAL in: Beal, swap right with PHX 2026/28/30, 2026 second (worst of DEN/PHI).
- What Beal wants. Gives LAL a better starting five: Davis, LeBron, Beal, Reaves, DFS. Short bench with Wood, Christie, Knecht, Hayes, Bronnie. Still, might work. Swap rights are not worth much but it is something. I know some will say a team needs more comp for taking Beal but the fact is that he still a shooter (over 39% on threes) and should feast playing off of Lebron/Davis. He and Reaves might not play the best defense but they will light it up.

[gswhoops]

Based on the reporting I've seen, the only landing spots that make sense for Beal are Milwaukee, Denver, or Orlando. And all of them present issues since Milwaukee is a 2nd apron team, Denver has to send out MPJ and has no draft capital, and Orlando would need takers for J Isaac and KCP.

Miami might accept KCP as he he has championship experience and would be a big defensive guard who would slot in perfectly next to Herro. Not sure if the Raptors or Detroit would be willing to take on J Isaac if picks were attached to him.

I think you could relatively easily find takers for Isaac and KCP if you were just looking for someone to take back their contracts, rather than asking for value in return.

Bigger issue is why Orlando would want to commit so much $ to Beal with Wagner's and Banchero's max extensions kicking in over the next couple years (and Suggs' less than max but still sizeable extension) when they could easily get a cheaper guy to fill the role of "undersized guard who scores and not much else"

[Bentley1225]

I see 2 fits: Orlando or Sacramento

Beal + 1st for

Caldwell Pope + Isaac
Or
Huerter + DeRozan + McLaughlin

[tester551]

1. Which teams do you think he would waive his NTC for?
2. Which of those teams would take him with 1-2 of the Suns picks and has the ability to salary match?

To answer the second question first... None.

The cost to move Beal is going to be more than 2 low level 1sts that the Suns have. I don't think the Suns have the assets to move off of Beal's contract. Everything else after that is irrelevant.

Just compare Beal's contract versus LaVine's. Zach has little to no market. But Beal makes 20% more and is a worse player.

I can't think of a worse contract in the league. Maybe Paul George or Kawahi are trending that direction due to health/availability...

[gswhoops]

1. Which teams do you think he would waive his NTC for?
2. Which of those teams would take him with 1-2 of the Suns picks and has the ability to salary match?

To answer the second question first... None.

The cost to move Beal is going to be more than 2 low level 1sts that the Suns have. I don't think the Suns have the assets to move off of Beal's contract. Everything else after that is irrelevant.

Just compare Beal's contract versus LaVine's. Zach has little to no market. But Beal makes 20% more and is a worse player.

I can't think of a worse contract in the league. Maybe Paul George or Kawahi are trending that direction due to health/availability...

The biggest problem IMO is that Beal makes SO MUCH that it's impossible to put together a package of "dead weight" salary that can match him. You're going to have to give up guys who are part of your rotation (likely 2-3 of them) just to make the numbers work. Which means that it gets really difficult to pitch Beal as an "upgrade" on the court with his declining play and increasing unavailability due to injury.

I don't think there's a team that would be willing to downgrade on the court AND eat his contract in exchange for what looks like a couple of late 1st round picks.

My team, the Warriors, got mentioned a couple times but we're a prime example of this issue. Matching Beal would take Wiggins + three of GP2/SloMo/Hield/Looney for Beal and a couple minimum guys and that is a non-starter given how much worse it would make us on the floor.

[SA37]

Based on the reporting I've seen, the only landing spots that make sense for Beal are Milwaukee, Denver, or Orlando. And all of them present issues since Milwaukee is a 2nd apron team, Denver has to send out MPJ and has no draft capital, and Orlando would need takers for J Isaac and KCP.

Miami might accept KCP as he he has championship experience and would be a big defensive guard who would slot in perfectly next to Herro. Not sure if the Raptors or Detroit would be willing to take on J Isaac if picks were attached to him.

I think you could relatively easily find takers for Isaac and KCP if you were just looking for someone to take back their contracts, rather than asking for value in return.

Bigger issue is why Orlando would want to commit so much $ to Beal with Wagner's and Banchero's max extensions kicking in over the next couple years (and Suggs' less than max but still sizeable extension) when they could easily get a cheaper guy to fill the role of "undersized guard who scores and not much else"

KCP has underperformed and his shooting numbers have been awful in Orlando. Isaac has also regressed significantly, to the point he hasn't featured in any significant way despite both Banchero AND F Wagner missing significant time. Perhaps Orlando still would prefer to pass on Beal, but I think the Magic would at least consider that deal.

And just to your comment on so much salary being needed for Beal, this trade would work:

Miami gets CJ McCollum, KCP, Olynyk, and a pick from the Suns
Suns get Butler
Raptors get Ingram and Javonte Green
Magic get Beal and Theis (replacement for M Wagner)
Pelicans get J Isaac, T Rozier, B Brown, and a pick from the Suns and some draft asset from the Raps (pick swap?)

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[nykballa2k4]

1. Which teams do you think he would waive his NTC for?
2. Which of those teams would take him with 1-2 of the Suns picks and has the ability to salary match?

At this point I think he would waive his NTC for teams in a better situation and/or better living environment.
Magic - Good seeding, could use an upgrade at the 2.
Heat - Miami, no tax, winning environment
Lakers - because everyone wants to be a Laker
Clippers - LA is a good place to be, prefer big brother, but any will do.
Warriors - Klay Splash role
Knicks - a top team in the East + city
Celtics - because who doesn't want to be a Celtic
Mavericks - no tax, good talent, playing with passers/playmakers
Spurs - no tax. Play with Wemby.

longshot options:
Bulls - meh winning environment and if they trade for you it's not a win-now, but still an opportunity and a good city
Pistons - upcoming team. Cade is great. Good place to be a #2 option.

This list feels about right.

IMO the biggest problem is the 2nd part. I'm skeptical that any team has the amount of large, bad contract(s) on the books to take Beal for minor incentive. And if they did then those contracts would look too bad for Miami to take.

In general I feel that the difference in value between Beal and a low-end acceptable Butler deal is greater than 3 late 1sts. That's what kills the Butler to Phoenix deal. Beal's NTC further complicates things but it's secondary to the fundamental value gap.

Using the Warriors as an example: Wiggins, Payton, Looney, Hield, Anderson total just about 61M (62 including ULI)
Would Jazz take their picks back or can new picks be swapped from GS/PHX to get Walker Kessler? There is 10M left in salary Warriors can take back. WK is about 3M. So that's 7M to fill 3 roster spots.
WK/TJD
Green/
Kuminga/Moody
Beal/Podz
Curry/Schroder

Spacing is still a real issue, but at least there are some defensive options in there.

[nykballa2k4]

Just to nip this idea in the bud now, Beal does not make sense for GSW.

Even if you ignore the apron issues and assume this is happening in the offseason, we'd have to give up Wiggins (who is a flat out better player than Beal) and 3-4 other guys just to make the money work.

If it was those 5 guys (no Kuminga) and you also got back Walker Kessler and Saddiq Bey or a similarly useful wing would that change the equation?

[gswhoops]

Just to nip this idea in the bud now, Beal does not make sense for GSW.

Even if you ignore the apron issues and assume this is happening in the offseason, we'd have to give up Wiggins (who is a flat out better player than Beal) and 3-4 other guys just to make the money work.

If it was those 5 guys (no Kuminga) and you also got back Walker Kessler and Saddiq Bey or a similarly useful wing would that change the equation?

So:

Wiggins
GP2
SloMo
Hield
Looney

for

Beal
Walker Kessler
Saddiq Bey

??

It's definitely better. I'd have to consider it depending on the specifics of the broader deal.

[nykballa2k4]

Just to nip this idea in the bud now, Beal does not make sense for GSW.

Even if you ignore the apron issues and assume this is happening in the offseason, we'd have to give up Wiggins (who is a flat out better player than Beal) and 3-4 other guys just to make the money work.

If it was those 5 guys (no Kuminga) and you also got back Walker Kessler and Saddiq Bey or a similarly useful wing would that change the equation?

So:

Wiggins
GP2
SloMo
Hield
Looney

for

Beal
Walker Kessler
Saddiq Bey

??

It's definitely better. I'd have to consider it depending on the specifics of the broader deal.

That's the sort of thing I envision.

Wiggins to a buyer (say pistons, working out something with the protections with Min, THjr EC as return)
KA + one of the crap firsts from PHX to WAS for Bey and SRP
Looney and GP to Heat
Heild to PHX
Suns move Dunn to Jazz, Jazz also get GSW FRP, DET FRP for WK
Warriors keep 1 crap FRP from PHX

WAS takes Nurk, KA, 1 crap FRP
gives Val, Bey, Bagley

Heat get Bagley, Hardaway, GP, Looney, 1 crap FRP from PHX
gives Butler, Love

Suns give 3 crap picks, Beal, Dunn, Nurk
get Butler, Jonas, Hield, min guy

Obviously, changes can be made, I intentionally avoided adding salary to the Heat. Tried to not give the Jazz the picks back that they gave away. I think if the Suns can make a better use of trading the off-year picks they probably are due to send more value out.
Variations can have DDR come to the Heat (seems like a logical filler for the Butler role) kings can send out pick(s) to BKN for Cam Johnson.

[Laimbeer]

Not many people have ideas on Beal coming to their home team. He is an enormous liability salary-wise. I don't think you'd get expirings for Beal and those three crappy firsts.

[Laimbeer]

Take Kuz, Poole, and throw in one of those 1sts.. I think WAS would gladly take him off their hands lol

I like the concept of Poole and Kuzma for Beal. Breaks Beal into two pieces. Multiple team deals get easier. Suns might get a second or two. As for Beal going back, I dunno.

[GatherStepGuru]

Take Kuz, Poole, and throw in one of those 1sts.. I think WAS would gladly take him off their hands lol

I like the concept of Poole and Kuzma for Beal. Breaks Beal into two pieces. Multiple team deals get easier. Suns might get a second or two. As for Beal going back, I dunno.

I hear that. In earnest, I think WAS’s new front office moved him as soon as they could to avoid this exact situation of being stuck with the contract. I could see them a part of a multi-team trade, but not one taking Beal back. Wouldn’t make sense for him nor WAS.

[Texas Chuck]

Take Kuz, Poole, and throw in one of those 1sts.. I think WAS would gladly take him off their hands lol

I like the concept of Poole and Kuzma for Beal. Breaks Beal into two pieces. Multiple team deals get easier. Suns might get a second or two. As for Beal going back, I dunno.

I hear that. In earnest, I think WAS’s new front office moved him as soon as they could to avoid this exact situation of being stuck with the contract. I could see them a part of a multi-team trade, but not one taking Beal back. Wouldn’t make sense for him nor WAS.

I mean if they move Poole or Kuzma out as part of it, which they obviously would the money isn't nearly as bad. They would then have gotten paid to dump him and paid to take him back. Right back where they started only with more assets. I can't see a path to Washington being competitive in the next 2 years anyway, can you?

[NYG]

I keep hearing the Suns are working hard on a Butler deal, but haven't heard anything on Beal's NTC.