The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely

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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#221 » by web123888 » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:58 pm

Kind of sucks but happens a lot to former star athletes who are nearing the end or are officially past their prime and not worth what they think they are.

Still a legend of this era, despite his history of locker room cancer behavior, and led the Heat to 2 Finals appearances they had zero business appearing in (5 seed and 8 seed).
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#222 » by batterybro42 » Tue Jan 28, 2025 2:49 pm

web123888 wrote:Kind of sucks but happens a lot to former star athletes who are nearing the end or are officially past their prime and not worth what they think they are.

Still a legend of this era, despite his history of locker room cancer behavior, and led the Heat to 2 Finals appearances they had zero business appearing in (5 seed and 8 seed).


There is an argument to be made that they were a 5 and 8 seed because Jimmy Butler who was the franchise player and taking up a ton of cap was mailing in the regular season, and not playing with any sort of effort.

The narrative that those teams were trash is insane to me

Go look at that bubble team roster, that team was LOADED
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#223 » by NYPiston » Tue Jan 28, 2025 3:02 pm

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"A particular theme that the NBA has adopted from general society is the legacy of the plantation mentality. Though in today’s world, star basketball players are routinely paid millions of dollars to demonstrate their physical abilities, there are still a shocking amount of parallels between today’s owner-athlete relationship and the slave master-slave relationship of 200 hundred years ago. There is a pattern of NBA owners, or in today’s lingo “team governors”, who look at athletes not as fellow men or staff, but as property or bodies to control. "

I think you need to GTFO since you made it personal. Just because you haven't realized it in your bubble doesnt mean it isn't real. It's like saying racism doesn't exist.


Comparing athletes who make millions of dollars and have choices to be where they want to be to actual slaves who went through unimaginable real life hardships is incredibly insulting to those slaves and anybody who has experienced real racism and you should be ashamed for making such an analogy and whoever said that asinine quote.
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#224 » by JujitsuFlip » Tue Jan 28, 2025 4:24 pm

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web123888 wrote:Kind of sucks but happens a lot to former star athletes who are nearing the end or are officially past their prime and not worth what they think they are.

Still a legend of this era, despite his history of locker room cancer behavior, and led the Heat to 2 Finals appearances they had zero business appearing in (5 seed and 8 seed).


There is an argument to be made that they were a 5 and 8 seed because Jimmy Butler who was the franchise player and taking up a ton of cap was mailing in the regular season, and not playing with any sort of effort.

The narrative that those teams were trash is insane to me

Go look at that bubble team roster, that team was LOADED
I don't think i agree that they were loaded lol
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#225 » by Teen Girl Squad » Tue Jan 28, 2025 4:38 pm

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"A particular theme that the NBA has adopted from general society is the legacy of the plantation mentality. Though in today’s world, star basketball players are routinely paid millions of dollars to demonstrate their physical abilities, there are still a shocking amount of parallels between today’s owner-athlete relationship and the slave master-slave relationship of 200 hundred years ago. There is a pattern of NBA owners, or in today’s lingo “team governors”, who look at athletes not as fellow men or staff, but as property or bodies to control. "

I think you need to GTFO since you made it personal. Just because you haven't realized it in your bubble doesnt mean it isn't real. It's like saying racism doesn't exist.


Comparing athletes who make millions of dollars and have choices to be where they want to be to actual slaves who went through unimaginable real life hardships is incredibly insulting to those slaves and anybody who has experienced real racism and you should be ashamed for making such an analogy and whoever said that asinine quote.


People lose sight all the time of what player empowerment is/should be and what workers rights exist for. Workers rights to ensure that people have the ability to work/produce as safely/effectively as possible in a given profession, to be compensated fairly for the labor, and the ability to do so sustainably with proper rest/hours/family concerns/off the clock lives (including the ability to switch professions, companies, location etc...) NBA players beyond fringe roster guys all have these in spades. They make multi-generational wealth, have great access to healthcare, have plenty of ways to rest, high status, a robust and long offseason, the ability to sign to different teams if they want to (within limits).

Nothing about how Jimmy is being treated in Miami (to the best of our knowledge) is anything remotely approaching hardship or unfairness from a workers/employee/human rights perspective. He's actually overpaid for his performance, which means that people playing his minutes are the ones being underpaid (because they are actually doing the job) and its clear he's been given plenty of autonomy/special treatment in Miami over the years, well beyond what 95+% of the population would ever get. He just wants to be continued to be overpaid and wants to play with a different team that'll will(best guess) allow him to do his job minimally in the regular season and only have to really show up 1-2 months of the year. It makes sense for him financially but the idea that any fan should be on #teamJimmy is nonsense.

Its actually a fascinating insight to human nature to see how many people side with Jimmy instinctively. It has great parallels to the older generations not giving up their positions and the constant drive to hoard wealth by the top 0.1% (which Jimmy is a member of, not the 'plantation class').
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#226 » by dWadeOwnzYou » Tue Jan 28, 2025 4:39 pm

This is the worst situation between a player and a team since the Harden/Durant/Irving fiasco in Brooklyn a few years back. If things get worst and one side becomes unhinged, will the league step in to intervene or will they let it play out to a bloody end? Would be hard to believe they would sit there and do nothing, but who knows with Adam Silver lack of involvement of past incidents.
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#227 » by The Servant » Tue Jan 28, 2025 5:01 pm

EmpireFalls wrote:“Heat Culture” can officially be considered dead and buried. This is a gigantic embarrassment


My thoughts exactly. This guy brought you to the Finals twice lmao. What is this guy doing?
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Post#228 » by life_saver » Tue Jan 28, 2025 5:04 pm

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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#229 » by Heat_team02 » Tue Jan 28, 2025 5:16 pm

The End Game: "The Miami Heat Have Cut Jimmy Butler"

Can't take that option if you've been released.
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#230 » by Jadoogar » Tue Jan 28, 2025 6:11 pm

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web123888 wrote:Kind of sucks but happens a lot to former star athletes who are nearing the end or are officially past their prime and not worth what they think they are.

Still a legend of this era, despite his history of locker room cancer behavior, and led the Heat to 2 Finals appearances they had zero business appearing in (5 seed and 8 seed).


There is an argument to be made that they were a 5 and 8 seed because Jimmy Butler who was the franchise player and taking up a ton of cap was mailing in the regular season, and not playing with any sort of effort.

The narrative that those teams were trash is insane to me

Go look at that bubble team roster, that team was LOADED


They weren't trash bt they had no business being in the finals. I'll throw out the bubble season because everything was wonky that year.
Miami beat the Bucks, Knicks and Celtics on route to the finals, were they more talented than any of these teams?
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#231 » by xxSnEaKyPxx » Tue Jan 28, 2025 6:50 pm

Anyone who believes the NBA is similar to slavery is just wildly out of touch with history, society, and intelligence.
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#232 » by batterybro42 » Tue Jan 28, 2025 6:59 pm

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web123888 wrote:Kind of sucks but happens a lot to former star athletes who are nearing the end or are officially past their prime and not worth what they think they are.

Still a legend of this era, despite his history of locker room cancer behavior, and led the Heat to 2 Finals appearances they had zero business appearing in (5 seed and 8 seed).


There is an argument to be made that they were a 5 and 8 seed because Jimmy Butler who was the franchise player and taking up a ton of cap was mailing in the regular season, and not playing with any sort of effort.

The narrative that those teams were trash is insane to me

Go look at that bubble team roster, that team was LOADED


They weren't trash bt they had no business being in the finals. I'll throw out the bubble season because everything was wonky that year.
Miami beat the Bucks, Knicks and Celtics on route to the finals, were they more talented than any of these teams?


When in 2023?

People have some sort of memory lapse or never watched that playoff run unfold. Butler 100% took over the first round Bucks series, it was extremely impressive and probably the best basketball of his career. Then Butler got hurt in the Knicks series and his team and his Coach carried him through the rest of the run with Butler averaging only 23 PPG after the Bucks series. People forget Caleb Martin being the hero of the Celtics series or how Strus, and Vincent carried at times.

I don't know why Butler gets so much credit and it gets painted as him DRAGGING Miami to the finals when in reality the best Coach in the NBA put on an absolute clinic, and the role players played out of their minds.
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#233 » by SK21209 » Tue Jan 28, 2025 7:11 pm

dWadeOwnzYou wrote:This is the worst situation between a player and a team since the Harden/Durant/Irving fiasco in Brooklyn a few years back. If things get worst and one side becomes unhinged, will the league step in to intervene or will they let it play out to a bloody end? Would be hard to believe they would sit there and do nothing, but who knows with Adam Silver lack of involvement of past incidents.


What would the league even do? Tell Riley that he's not allowed to suspend a player on his own team that is clearly dogging it on the court and skipping team events? Tell Butler he's not allowed to request a trade? I don't think there's anything they can, or should, do.
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#234 » by hauntedcomputer » Tue Jan 28, 2025 7:43 pm

As long as adults live up to the terms of their contractual agreements, let them go at it. I don't know if NBA contracts have language that declares a player must perform to the best of their abilities or simply to provide "services." Bottom line is players voluntarily agree to the terms and conditions they play under.

It's kind of crazy to sign any non-rookie to more than one year guaranteed with a team option, but I know why they have to do it. Will be interesting to see if the second apron clears up a lot of these overpaid veteran contracts, especially at the latter career stages, and cause GMs to be more cautious with such players.
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#235 » by chrismikayla » Tue Jan 28, 2025 7:56 pm

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wtf is wrong with you man. People feeling like this is a huge part of what’s wrong with society today.

Only in a country that is so privileged would someone bring up “plantation owner” and a player being “personal property” when the guy is getting paid 50 million a year to play basketball. Gtfo of here

Bro hire me for this plantation job if it pays millions. Dumbest analogy I've heard in a long time lol

Yes, what a idiotic take, as already posted WTF is wrong with you bro (chrismikayla).

Yes, sign me up for this plantation. Generational wealth.


You are proving my point actually, with your thought that paying large sums of money = being totally beholden to you for that reason. Got it LOL
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Post#236 » by chrismikayla » Tue Jan 28, 2025 7:59 pm

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chrismikayla wrote:
"A particular theme that the NBA has adopted from general society is the legacy of the plantation mentality. Though in today’s world, star basketball players are routinely paid millions of dollars to demonstrate their physical abilities, there are still a shocking amount of parallels between today’s owner-athlete relationship and the slave master-slave relationship of 200 hundred years ago. There is a pattern of NBA owners, or in today’s lingo “team governors”, who look at athletes not as fellow men or staff, but as property or bodies to control. "

I think you need to GTFO since you made it personal. Just because you haven't realized it in your bubble doesnt mean it isn't real. It's like saying racism doesn't exist.


Comparing athletes who make millions of dollars and have choices to be where they want to be to actual slaves who went through unimaginable real life hardships is incredibly insulting to those slaves and anybody who has experienced real racism and you should be ashamed for making such an analogy and whoever said that asinine quote.



I have experienced "real" racism. And making millions does not exclude players from experiencing executives and owners with that mentality.
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#237 » by AmusingFiddle » Tue Jan 28, 2025 8:37 pm

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It's not remotely realistic that he opts in only to do this all again next season. It's an empty threat and should be treated as such.


I agree to some degree, there is posturing on both sides. Butler likely won't opt out because most teams don't have max $ for 2025 FA. This MIGHT force his hand to stay with the trade partner at least thru next season. Unless a team creates cap room to sign him outright.

Given Butler's history, most knew how he would react to being called out in public. To then add insult to injury not offering him an extension. Pat is an idiot for getting into a dick measuring contest with Butler. Just trade him already for what is avail and not for what you want.


Riley's an idiot for not giving Butler a terrible contract? What? And to appease this cancer, you're now suggesting they should take on an even worse contract instead? Yeah, no.
All I am saying is enough of the back and forth. Both sides need to get their collective heads out of their behind and get a trade completed.

Butler needs to accept his faith, and Riley needs to take what the market is offering.

When they couldn't agree to terms if an extension in the off-season, Butler should have been traded then. Waiting only made it worse.

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Post#238 » by NZB2323 » Tue Jan 28, 2025 10:01 pm

chrismikayla wrote:
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chrismikayla wrote:
"A particular theme that the NBA has adopted from general society is the legacy of the plantation mentality. Though in today’s world, star basketball players are routinely paid millions of dollars to demonstrate their physical abilities, there are still a shocking amount of parallels between today’s owner-athlete relationship and the slave master-slave relationship of 200 hundred years ago. There is a pattern of NBA owners, or in today’s lingo “team governors”, who look at athletes not as fellow men or staff, but as property or bodies to control. "

I think you need to GTFO since you made it personal. Just because you haven't realized it in your bubble doesnt mean it isn't real. It's like saying racism doesn't exist.


Comparing athletes who make millions of dollars and have choices to be where they want to be to actual slaves who went through unimaginable real life hardships is incredibly insulting to those slaves and anybody who has experienced real racism and you should be ashamed for making such an analogy and whoever said that asinine quote.



I have experienced "real" racism. And making millions does not exclude players from experiencing executives and owners with that mentality.


Pat Riley is beloved by Magic, Kareem, Wade, ect. They don’t think of him as a slave owner. If you Google “Pat Riley Racism” you’ll find articles of him promoting Glory Road, about the first all black lineup in college basketball, and him giving the team a day off for Juneteenth. He’s been in the NBA since 1967. He’s not racist, he’s not a slave owner, and making that analogy is just lazy, silly, ignorant, and harmful towards fighting real racism.

Did NBA owners think of Pat Riley as a slave in 1967?
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#239 » by Nate505 » Tue Jan 28, 2025 10:03 pm

chrismikayla wrote:
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Thaddy wrote:Bro hire me for this plantation job if it pays millions. Dumbest analogy I've heard in a long time lol

Yes, what a idiotic take, as already posted WTF is wrong with you bro (chrismikayla).

Yes, sign me up for this plantation. Generational wealth.


You are proving my point actually, with your thought that paying large sums of money = being totally beholden to you for that reason. Got it LOL

He's not beholden to Riley at all. He's beholden to the contact he signed. At least if he wants to get paid and play in the NBA.

He could retire today and be beholden to nobody. Not a person, contact, and anything other than the rule of law I guess.
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#240 » by DusterBuster » Tue Jan 28, 2025 10:17 pm

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