Kings trade Fox to Spurs, get LaVine

[Tracymcgoaty]

Fox and Wemby duo would be crazy.

Lakers need a starting PG as well but it's a pipe dream. Spurs should do it if they can. He'd be their starting PG for the next 5-6 years.

[Bornstellar]

The Spurs are not signing this dude to a super max. They don't even like dealing with Rich Paul (for good reason).

Actually I think the Spurs have a fine relationship with Klutch. I don't think they mind dealing with them at all

I guess you forgot about the BS with the Morris brother and Dejounte's immaturity. Fox on a reasonable deal is fine. A super max would be crippling. Once Wemby gets his deal, everyone else needs to be cheaper, otherwise Spurs won't be contending for anything.

I did not. The BS was on Morris' side and Rich Paul cut him as a client after that fiasco. DJM being immature is irrelevant as none of that had to do with his agency, they worked together to find a mutual trade partner for him as he wanted.

Also, Fox needs to make an All-NBA team to be eligible for a supermax deal anyway, so it's not a guarantee. With the cap increasing significantly over the next decade, I am not too worried about it

[G R E Y]

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Feels weird to be on the other side of this equation...

[JustBuzzin]

This would be some birthday gift for/from Pop!

Can you keep Castle and still pull it off?

I like Fox, but Castle is going to be a baller as well. If you guys can keep Castle and still get Fox the league is fugged for the future.

[G R E Y]

This would be some birthday gift for/from Pop!

Can you keep Castle and still pull it off?

I like Fox, but Castle is going to be a baller as well. If you guys can keep Castle and still get Fox the league is fugged for the future.

For sure. For one, contracts have to match so I think Devin Vassell is probably the first option for Kings and should be. The rest are picks and fillers.

[RIPskaterdude]

This would be some birthday gift for/from Pop!

Can you keep Castle and still pull it off?

I like Fox, but Castle is going to be a baller as well. If you guys can keep Castle and still get Fox the league is fugged for the future.

For sure. For one, contracts have to match so I think Devin Vassell is probably the first option for Kings and should be. The rest are picks and fillers.

The Kings are not trading Fox for Vassell and picks

[Bornstellar]

This would be some birthday gift for/from Pop!

Can you keep Castle and still pull it off?

I like Fox, but Castle is going to be a baller as well. If you guys can keep Castle and still get Fox the league is fugged for the future.

Depends on what SAC wants. If they think they can retool around Sabonis and be competitive then maybe we can offer them some combo of Vassell + whatever else. If they prefer to blow it up the Spurs have a number of picks to offer including returning the swap rights to SAC's 2031 pick. If Fox/Paul make it known they will not sign an extension anywhere but SA, it gives the Spurs a lot of leverage to try and keep Castle out of talks. Realistically though, he is going to be what SAC wants in return and it's hard to see them accepting a package without Castle included

I really, really like Steph Castle. But pairing Victor with someone like Fox is hard to pass up. Spurs have a legit playoff aspirations if this happens before the deadline

[pillwenney]

This would be some birthday gift for/from Pop!

Can you keep Castle and still pull it off?

I like Fox, but Castle is going to be a baller as well. If you guys can keep Castle and still get Fox the league is fugged for the future.

For sure. For one, contracts have to match so I think Devin Vassell is probably the first option for Kings and should be. The rest are picks and fillers.

That's awfully optimistic of you.

[phanman]

Actually I think the Spurs have a fine relationship with Klutch. I don't think they mind dealing with them at all

I guess you forgot about the BS with the Morris brother and Dejounte's immaturity. Fox on a reasonable deal is fine. A super max would be crippling. Once Wemby gets his deal, everyone else needs to be cheaper, otherwise Spurs won't be contending for anything.

I did not. The BS was on Morris' side and Rich Paul cut him as a client after that fiasco. DJM being immature is irrelevant as none of that had to do with his agency, they worked together to find a mutual trade partner for him as he wanted.

Also, Fox needs to make an All-NBA team to be eligible for a supermax deal anyway, so it's not a guarantee. With the cap increasing significantly over the next decade, I am not too worried about it

Let's be real, Fox is not going to make an All-NBA team this season. His 229/4years is not outrageous at an AAV of 57.25m. That new deal wouldn't begin until both Barnes 19m and Collins 18m are off the books too.

If I'm Sac, I need Sochan in any deal back.

[The Master]

Fox and Wemby duo would be crazy.

Lakers need a starting PG as well but it's a pipe dream. Spurs should do it if they can. He'd be their starting PG for the next 5-6 years.

To be honest, I don't like fit of Fox in championship-level teams: he's not a consistent spot up shooter nor a pass-first playmaker nor strong defender - looks like a guy who will thrive in mid-to-good teams where he'll get many touches to utilize, not necessarily take them over the top. He's a very good player, don't get me wrong, but with Wemby we think about something (hopefully) historic.

[Bornstellar]

I guess you forgot about the BS with the Morris brother and Dejounte's immaturity. Fox on a reasonable deal is fine. A super max would be crippling. Once Wemby gets his deal, everyone else needs to be cheaper, otherwise Spurs won't be contending for anything.

I did not. The BS was on Morris' side and Rich Paul cut him as a client after that fiasco. DJM being immature is irrelevant as none of that had to do with his agency, they worked together to find a mutual trade partner for him as he wanted.

Also, Fox needs to make an All-NBA team to be eligible for a supermax deal anyway, so it's not a guarantee. With the cap increasing significantly over the next decade, I am not too worried about it

Let's be real, Fox is not going to make an All-NBA team this season. His 229/4years is not outrageous at an AAV of 57.25m. That new deal wouldn't begin until both Barnes 19m and Collins 18m are off the books too.

If I'm Sac, I need Sochan in any deal back.

Bingo

[mademan]

This would be some birthday gift for/from Pop!

Can you keep Castle and still pull it off?

I like Fox, but Castle is going to be a baller as well. If you guys can keep Castle and still get Fox the league is fugged for the future.

For sure. For one, contracts have to match so I think Devin Vassell is probably the first option for Kings and should be. The rest are picks and fillers.

1 decent prospect (not really, more young vet who's been paid) and some 1sts isnt gonna be enough for Fox. Kings will surmise, correctly, that a Wemby led team isnt gonna be producing good draft picks over the next 5-6 years.

Not sure how you get it done without Castle, and i dont think the Spurs are gonna make that a deal breaker. I mean maybe you get by with Vassel AND Sochan, but i'd rather deal Castle at that point anyway

[G R E Y]

Can you keep Castle and still pull it off?

I like Fox, but Castle is going to be a baller as well. If you guys can keep Castle and still get Fox the league is fugged for the future.

For sure. For one, contracts have to match so I think Devin Vassell is probably the first option for Kings and should be. The rest are picks and fillers.

The Kings are not trading Fox for Vassell and picks

I said centered around, especially for a win now younger, contract friendly, salary matching start. And whichever fillers, but I don't think that includes Castle.

[davidv2001]

I would guess it's because Wemby is ready to compete now and Castle won't be ready for a few years. CP3 is turning 40 soon and as he has been, he simply isn't good enough.

I have the same questions for Houston. I have no idea why they would want to bring in Fox with his upcoming extension. Sure he is an upgrade over Freddy, but all that means is your taking the ball out of Jalen, Amen and Sengun's hands. Fox's 3pt shot has regressed this season and it's not like he's ever been a superb defender either. Honestly, I would rather just gamble on bringing in Jimmy over Fox.

Fox is better at what Jalen Green provides the Rockets. Also, the Rockets already lack perimeter shooting. Jimmy Butler is not a good fit for them. Cam Johnson, on the other hand, is.

Sure Fox is better than Green now but he's also 5 years older. There is still plenty of upside for Jalen whose really picked up his play since December: 22.6pts, 3.8reb, 3ast, 0.9stl on 46/40/85 in 33.4mpg
- most notably is that 3pt shot where is averaging 7.9 attempts

I only brought up Jimmy in the scenario that they wanted to make a win-now move. I'd stand pat if I was Houston, but I disagree on him not fitting in there. In regards to Cam Johnson, he has a prototypical modern NBA game for a wing with a great contract, he fits everywhere

I’ve seen hot Jalen Green before. It’s called last March without Alperen Sengun. He has to keep up his level of play a lot longer than two months before I’ll say he’s turned a big corner.

As for Butler, the Rockets have three players in their starting lineup that shoot a high volume of threes. Fred VanVleet, Jalen Green and Dillon Brooks. Butler does not take many threes and prefers to live in the mid range area. The Rockets cannot start Alperen Sengun, Amen Thompson and Jimmy Butler together as it would kill floor spacing, so Butler is not a good fit in Houston.

Finally, I’m aware Cam Johnson is a good fit anywhere due to his contract relative to his production, but the Rockets’ biggest weakness other than playoff experience is perimeter shooting. They need a sniper like him more than anything.

[Bornstellar]

Maybe Spurs can get Utah and Brooklyn in on this. Get J. Collins and C. Johnson to Sacramento with Vassell and give Ainge/Marks some picks to add to their stash.

[Effigy]

How refreshing to see a player demand to go to the Spurs instead of Miami or LA or NY.

[G R E Y]

Yeah not both. I'm fine with '... or DV"

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[Clav]

CP3 to OKC

Keldon Johnson, Champangie, Dillon Jones to SAC + 3 FRPs via Spurs (25 SAS, 25 ATL, 25 CHI)

Fox, Dieng, + 25 ATL 2nd via OKC to Spurs

[mademan]

Maybe Spurs can get Utah and Brooklyn in on this. Get J. Collins and C. Johnson to Sacramento with Vassell and give Ainge/Marks some picks to add to their stash.

Fox is a real 27 yo star. The idea that the base player that he would return being any combination of Collins/Cam Johnson/Vassell is absolutely crazy. It will take the Spurs a decent amount to get him in a trade

[OnlyFranz22]

Anthony Black > Vassell

Fox
Suggs
Paolo
Franz

Would be hell in the east