Official Trade Thread Part XLVI

[AFM]

A dark stain on our FO’s track record. It was criminal not to trade this bum last season.

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He may have close to zero trade value now. Yesterday The Athletic updated their trade deadline article and now have Kuzma's value listed as "unknown".

[TGW]

Yet another goof up by this front office. What else is new.

[gambitx777]

Yet another goof up by this front office. What else is new.

What other gooffs was there. And again I'll still defend that. They didn't hit the threshold for we are trading you no matter what and they gave him a handshake deal no to move him unless they get so much of unless he wants to go. They honored that, Kuz didn't hold up his end of taking the season seriously.

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[9 and 20]

Poole plus JV to San Antonio for Tre Jones and Zach Collins, plus a first round pick. Starts at 46:30. Also talk of Wiz being fun(ish) to watch and Kuz's garbage play.

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[gambitx777]

Poole plus JV to San Antonio for Tre Jones and Zach Collins, plus a first round pick. Starts at 46:30. Also talk of Wiz being fun(ish) to watch and Kuz's garbage play.

Watch on YouTube

In this pod they talk about how they enjoy watching the wizards and how the frobt office some how put together a fun to watch team like they play hard and Sarr is improving every week and Poole is playing really well. They also like bush the ewwwwww let's not take about kuzma subject lol but I think we get very active this week and next.
My trade predictions
Kuz

I predict kuz is gone for a small positive return. Maybe draft rights or far off seconds or a very protected first.
Prediction
LAC for Tucker and filler and small comp
Or
LAL for Gabe, filler and small comp
Or
moved in a big 5 team buttler deal

Brogdon
I think we move Brogdon for a large contact and assets probably at least a first

My prediction
Randle and stuff form minisota
Or
Chicago for Lonzo, Smith and that port first.
Or
Gave Vincent and filler from LA

JV
He's gonna get traded to a team looking to improve their cap situation and not sacrifice play.
My prediction
Suns with Johnny Davis for nurk and a first
Or
LAL for gab, JHS and a first
Or
Bucks for portis and stuff
Or
Potentially part of a 5 team buttler trade.

TPE
I think we take a contract to help a team get Uber that second apron
Prediction
Bucks

Rest of the one year NG deals

I am predicting we use these in a giant Jimmy trade to help out we have a lot of flexibility with Holmes, Bagley, Davis, Baldwin and gill that's about 40 mill in cap relief contacts. I don't count Brogdon here although you could . But he's actually a starting caliber guard who would be useful to a play off team. I don't wanna just use him as money filler.

Jordan Poole.
He's having a great year. He's almost back to his level before the punch he's playing great. He's the only player we have that's realistically playing at an all star level. If Someone comes in and offers a god father offer for him. You almost have to take it but I'd like to keep him other wise. His play makes us at least respectable and he's only 25. Id rather hold on to him.




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[AFM]

Little blurb on the wiz in todays athletic

Washington Wizards

Sell: There’s a caveat here. Yes, because the Wizards are early in their rebuild, they would benefit from trading for young players with upside and future draft picks, particularly future first-round picks. But at the same time, the team shouldn’t “sell” low on its current veterans merely for the sake of making a deal. For instance, Kyle Kuzma, who’s having an uncharacteristically unproductive season by his standards, may need time to resuscitate his trade value. It’s also critical for Washington to retain veterans who play the right way and are leaders by example. — Josh Robbins

[dorianwrite]

Little blurb on the wiz in todays athletic

Washington Wizards

Sell: There’s a caveat here. Yes, because the Wizards are early in their rebuild, they would benefit from trading for young players with upside and future draft picks, particularly future first-round picks. But at the same time, the team shouldn’t “sell” low on its current veterans merely for the sake of making a deal. For instance, Kyle Kuzma, who’s having an uncharacteristically unproductive season by his standards, may need time to resuscitate his trade value. It’s also critical for Washington to retain veterans who play the right way and are leaders by example. — Josh Robbins

The only problem is that Kuzma doesn't play the right way and isn't a leader by example. That's JV, Brogdon (when not injured), even Poole at times. For that matter, it's Anthony Gill. I don't think it describes Kuzma, who has now even stated that he intends to do his own thing out there.

[gambitx777]

Little blurb on the wiz in todays athletic

Washington Wizards

Sell: There’s a caveat here. Yes, because the Wizards are early in their rebuild, they would benefit from trading for young players with upside and future draft picks, particularly future first-round picks. But at the same time, the team shouldn’t “sell” low on its current veterans merely for the sake of making a deal. For instance, Kyle Kuzma, who’s having an uncharacteristically unproductive season by his standards, may need time to resuscitate his trade value. It’s also critical for Washington to retain veterans who play the right way and are leaders by example. — Josh Robbins

This is just silly lol. did EG write this. You can always over pay a good ver on a one or two year deal. Good vets are not hard to find especially today when guys are healthier longer.

I still defend the choice to not trade Kuz. That was the right think when they clearly made him a hand shake deal. They honored their word. Kuz stabbed them in the back but being a bitchy little unprofessional girl.

I still think he would be worth a first burg he's depresiating his value every word he speaks. So I think he needs a change of venue. His numbers will improve on a better team with better prospects.

I think LAC or LAL still make a ton of sense. They have the contracts and I think they can definitely make use of him.

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[The Consiglieri]

Then they were complete idiots for making a handshake deal and you can blame them for that, and yes, possibly failing to be duplicitous and screwing him. It's not like Boston can't sign a FA anywhere, anytime, after totally screwing Isaiah Thomas, which was in many ways, infinitely worse than not delivering on a handshake deal.

Regardless, they were definitely idiots here. I'm not gonna lose my mind over it, but when it comes to a team that totally and completely ineptly managed assets from 2018-2023, to then do the same in '24 when we had next to zero assets to begin with after the previous administrations stupidity? "Not great Bob", to say the least.

The only reason I am more forgiving if any, is that the pick(s) would have sucked, and what matters is the '25 and '26 draft, and Kuzma being utter ---- is probably helping the tank for now.

[dckingsfan]

Then they were complete idiots for making a handshake deal and you can blame them for that, and yes, possibly failing to be duplicitous and screwing him. It's not like Boston can't sign a FA anywhere, anytime, after totally screwing Isaiah Thomas, which was in many ways, infinitely worse than not delivering on a handshake deal.

Regardless, they were definitely idiots here. I'm not gonna lose my mind over it, but when it comes to a team that totally and completely ineptly managed assets from 2018-2023, to then do the same in '24 when we had next to zero assets to begin with after the previous administrations stupidity? "Not great Bob", to say the least.

The only reason I am more forgiving if any, is that the pick(s) would have sucked, and what matters is the '25 and '26 draft, and Kuzma being utter ---- is probably helping the tank for now.

At this point I would just trade Kuz for an expiring. I wouldn't ask for any draft assets. But even that is going to be hard now.

[Kanyewest]

Marc Stein's substack

Remember the Klay Thompson sign-and-trade that ultimately landed Thompson in Dallas last July? That required an NBA-record six teams. Maybe it won't be the Butler trade that sets the next record — if there even is one before the Feb. 6 trade deadline — but it's not hard to imagine the many ambitious cap strategists all over the league map finding inspiration from the prospect of trying to assemble the first seven-teamer if they get the chance.

Toronto. Washington. Charlotte. Detroit. All are known to have interest in helping to facilitate a Butler deal. Perhaps you'll recall that, when reports of the Raptors' eagerness to join in first began to circulate, one league source told me for a piece published here last Sunday that "about half the league" has made similar feelings known to the Heat.

https://marcstein.substack.com/p/tons-of-nba-trade-season-talk?r=nuq3a&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true

[payitforward]

Then they were complete idiots for making a handshake deal and you can blame them for that, and yes, possibly failing to be duplicitous and screwing him....

What actual information is this based on?

Is it based on the idea that we had a handshake deal w/ Dallas, then we let Kuzma say yay or nay?

If so, whatever makes you think that ever occurred? Answer: nothing.

Kuz has a trade kicker in his contract.
Which means he has to be consulted about any trade that will include him. There was no way "to be duplicitous" as you phrase it.
Isn't at least that much clear?

Now, if Kuz were to exercise that trade kicker, & therefore he would have to be paid 25% more than his current salary, why then the acquiring team (in this case Dallas) would not want to give as much for him.
Isn't that kind of straightforward?

In which case, the acquiring team (in this case Dallas) would change their offer -- lower what they'd be willing to give for him. Any team would do that. Only an idiot would NOT to do that!
Isn't that also obvious?

& in such a situation, why would a GM not frame it as "giving Kuzma the chance" to take an offer or turn it down -- & I'm sure that's what Kuz did: he "turned it down" -- by indicating that he'd use the opportunity to up his salary by 25%.
That's millions of dollars, right? About $20 million dollars.
Not difficult to understand, I'd say.

& there you have it. That, OBVIOUSLY, explains why we didn't trade Kyle Kuzma to Dallas at the deadline.

Keep in mind that Kuz thinks he put up all star stats last year.
He's been quoted to that effect.

He didn't, of course. In fact he wasn't good at all.

But, as we have seen in this discussion, reality doesn't make people change their minds very often.

[gambitx777]

Then they were complete idiots for making a handshake deal and you can blame them for that, and yes, possibly failing to be duplicitous and screwing him. It's not like Boston can't sign a FA anywhere, anytime, after totally screwing Isaiah Thomas, which was in many ways, infinitely worse than not delivering on a handshake deal.

Regardless, they were definitely idiots here. I'm not gonna lose my mind over it, but when it comes to a team that totally and completely ineptly managed assets from 2018-2023, to then do the same in '24 when we had next to zero assets to begin with after the previous administrations stupidity? "Not great Bob", to say the least.

The only reason I am more forgiving if any, is that the pick(s) would have sucked, and what matters is the '25 and '26 draft, and Kuzma being utter ---- is probably helping the tank for now.

I don't think having honor and keeping your words and treating people with respect is stupid.

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[Kanyewest]

Maybe the no trade clause can make those future swaps more valuable.

https://bsky.app/profile/timdunkman.bsky.social/post/3lgrdpkybl22b

[gambitx777]

So here my wild trade scenario of the day.
Brought to you by blue chew lol.
So
Was gets : Jimmy buttler
Heat get : Brogdon, Bagley, Holmes, Baldwin.
The rights to Yanick Noza.

So they take on not future money. And they get 3 young players to keep for development or let go of.

We then take Jimmy and make a deal with the bucks

We do
Wiz

Wiz get portis, 2031 second and the rights to Hugo besson.
Bucks get JV

We absorb pat connigton in our TPE
Wiz get Pat, 2031 first
Bucks get a TPE

The once they are under the 2A we do
Wiz get Livingston and Lopez, they add us to the pick swaps they owe in 2026 and 2030
Bucks get Jimmy.

We then go and piece out Livingston, Lopez portis and Pat for anything we can get.

Livingston to minisota
Wiz get Randle, DET 2025 PROTECTED first, Utah 2025 second.
Mini gets Livingston.

Then trade randle

Randle to the bulls
Wiz get: Lonzo, smith and the Portland protected first.
Chicago: gets Randle

Get mem involved

Wiz get smart, aldama, their parts of the PHX pick swaps, and a protected 2030 first

Mem gets: portis, pat, gill

I think they changed the recently traded player rules but if not it can be done in separate trades and still work.
Smarta been a disappointment and this sures up some spots for them and they have a cap situation with aldama and might be fine just moving him now for some one under contract I heard Bobby marks talk about that.

Then det
Wiz get Fontecio
Det gets Lopez plus cash
Helps then get to the floor give them more cap room next year to go big game hunting and we get back under the tax.

We essentially turn Brogdon, Holmes, Bagley gill, Noza in to

4 firsts, 2 seconds, smith, aldama

Yes we take on smart and fontecios contacts but they are 1 year deals

You probably buy out Lonzo, then move on to try and trade Kuz

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[dckingsfan]

That would be wild... but this trade deadline could be wild, so there is that.

[gambitx777]

That would be wild... but this trade deadline could be wild, so there is that.

Like that might be an option. Like Miami is part of the problem. Jimmy has tanked his value but Miami hasn't helped. Giving them expiring and 3 young guys that will be cheap to keep might be enough for them to go yeet. And it's really nothing to us. Noza and Baldwin are meh. And Bagley really isn't someone we wanna keep long term but Miami might as depleted as they are.

We have so much more flexibility than Miami and Miami is not willing to take back money or facilitate a team getting under the 2A and they really just can't. That makes the situation worse.

Cut bait the wiz have the flexibility to make something happen and maybe have the patience to take a poopoo platter of meh and then piece it out to make a pretty good haul.

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[penbeast0]

Pull that one off and I am willing to annoint our front office (and you!) as geniuses.

[TGW]

I predict that no one is traded. Brogden gets released…there is no market for him and he makes too much to find a decent trade partner, and theyll let him walk for nothing. No one wants Kuzma…he’s unwanted trash. JV also doesn’t get traded…they probably get offered some junk pick in the 50s that the FO doesn’t feel is worth trading him for.

There is no market for most of the Wizards players. The roster stinks.

[dckingsfan]

I predict that no one is traded. Brogden gets released…there is no market for him and he makes too much to find a decent trade partner, and theyll let him walk for nothing. No one wants Kuzma…he’s unwanted trash. JV also doesn’t get traded…they probably get offered some junk pick in the 50s that the FO doesn’t feel is worth trading him for.

There is no market for most of the Wizards players. The roster stinks.

That is the problem with having a historically bad team, the perception is that those players aren't all that...