Ingram to Utah, Collins to Charlotte

[Bentley1225]

Ill offer this idea for
-The Jazz to acquire Bird Rights for Ingram and look to start building around Kessler, Markannen, Ingram, Sexton, 2025 1st
-The Hornets upgrade their frontcourt by adding a starting calibre 4
-The Pelicans get picks and out of tax apron for Ingram as they look to re-tool in off-season

To Utah (Trade Collins, Mykhaliuk, 1st)
-Brandon Ingram (1 year, $36 million)

To Charlotte (Trade Williams, Martin, lottery protected 1st)
-John Collins (2 years, $53.1 million)
-Jeremiah Robinson Earl (1 year, $ 2 million)
-Javonte Green (1 year, $2 million)
-2027 Chicago 2nd round pick via New Orleans

To New Orleans (Trade Ingram, Robinson Earl, Green, 2nd)
-Grant Williams (3 years, $41 million)
-Cody MArtin (1 year, $8.1 million plus T.O.)
-Vasilie Micic (1 year, $7.7 million plus T.O.)
-Svi Mykhaliuk (1 year, $3.5 million plus T.O.)
-2026 Cleveland 1st round pick via Utah
-2027 Miami 1st round pick via Charlotte (lottery protected or extinguished)
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Why?
-The Jazz look to extend Ingram and start building around a core of Kessler/Markannen/Ingram/Sexton/2025 1st
-The Hornets upgrade their 4 spot as they deal an excess lottery protected pick in 2027 for a 2027 2nd to do so.
-The Pelicans get 2 1sts and under tax apron in moving on from Ingram as they look to re-tool in off-season.

[JustBuzzin]

Charlotte could just cut Utah out and trade for Ingram who's the better player. That Miami pick has to get us something better than Collins.

[SkyHook]

Charlotte could just cut Utah out and trade for Ingram who's the better player. That Miami pick has to get us something better than Collins.

I like that idea better. And Utah doesn't have the 2026 CLE FRP (it's a swap).

[Bentley1225]

Charlotte could just cut Utah out and trade for Ingram who's the better player. That Miami pick has to get us something better than Collins.

The thinking was the Hornets already have 2 wings in Bridges and Miller.

[JustBuzzin]

Charlotte could just cut Utah out and trade for Ingram who's the better player. That Miami pick has to get us something better than Collins.

The thinking was the Hornets already have 2 wings in Bridges and Miller.

Bridges is not a true wing he's a tweener. Miller is a 2 and Ingram can play the 3.

I would be down for Bridges for Collins tho.

[Bentley1225]

Charlotte could just cut Utah out and trade for Ingram who's the better player. That Miami pick has to get us something better than Collins.

The thinking was the Hornets already have 2 wings in Bridges and Miller.

Bridges is not a true wing he's a tweener. Miller is a 2 and Ingram can play the 3.

I would be down for Bridges for Collins tho.

I guess the question from me, as a non-Hornets fan, is how effective is Bridges at the 4?. He's undersized, can't stretch the floor with his lack of shooting. Collins has the size and is a much more efficient scorer.

[JustBuzzin]

The thinking was the Hornets already have 2 wings in Bridges and Miller.

Bridges is not a true wing he's a tweener. Miller is a 2 and Ingram can play the 3.

I would be down for Bridges for Collins tho.

I guess the question from me, as a non-Hornets fan, is how effective is Bridges at the 4?. He's undersized, can't stretch the floor with his lack of shooting. Collins has the size and is a much more efficient scorer.

Bridges is not really good as a 3 or 4. Which is why I label him as a tweener. He's just a hooper.


He's too small to play 4 and he doesn't have the handle or quickness to be a true 3. I guess I would rather have him as a pf next to a big center so he can help stretch the floor.

[babyjax13]

Ingram is definitely worth more than Collins, but I don't really have interest in sending picks for him, which is where this discussion should end.

[HornetJail]

not remotely interested in trading the Heat 1st for this. Collins would be a nice addition but not at that price

[YayBasketball]

Reports were that Jazz and Pelicans were close on an Ingram trade in the offseason, but Ingram nixed the deal because he had no interest in going to Utah. I'd imagine that's still true, unless they are absolutely guaranteeing a full max salary over 4 years, which is highly unlikely.

[Daddy 801]

Jazz pass. Ingram is not resigning in Utah. Utah also isn’t trading picks for players for 2-4 years depending on the tankathon scenario.

One timeline is Utah tanks next two years and they have Lauri, Kessler, picks this year, picks next year, plus more development from the young players they have now and feel they can trade for whomever is the Fox in 2-2.5 years. Shortest tank plan.

Another timeline is they trade Kessler which means they are also trading Lauri once he becomes available to trade and go full tankathon for 4-5 years and aren’t looking to compete until like 2029-2030.

Third scenario is they keep Kessler as the “vet core” piece to build around and trade just Lauri next 1-1.5 years. And then still going full tankathon for 2.5-3.5 years.

In none of the timeline scenarios does Utah want to bring back a player who is going to get more wins on the table for at minimum until the end of next season. The very, very best case scenario is they land a Flagg type player who is even better than projected and the Jazz think they can be relevant at the trade deadline next season. Even in that scenario they still need to bring back a player and play tankathon the rest of the season because OKC gets their pick if they don’t tank. Nothing is more important than getting two top 8 players this season and next season. If Lauri, Kessler, and this years picks are over performing and destroying the tank next year they need to trade Lauri and move into the third scenario I described.

A very long answer at hell no to Ingram. If the Pels want to pay the Jazz to take him ok, any other scenario is an easy pass. The Pels aren’t paying the Jazz to take him.

I can see a scenario where the Jazz take a risk on Zion. They can rest and rehabilitate him and keep a tank going. It’s a swing for the fences move, but one that is possibly worth taking. And Zion having a contract the Jazz can just get rid of makes it a possible deal. Think it gets one FRP at best though. And I don’t expect management for the Pels would do it because it would be them admitting they screwed up. Even if maybe they should do it. I can’t answer that for the Pels though.

[Astaluego]

I think NOP is unnecessary... (Ingram didn't want to be in Utah and I don't think they should be in a hurry either). positional adjustment.. Bridges for Collins (adds assets as appropriate although I would say it's close) Bridges gives them a 6'7 forward who is more suited/natural to play the 3 (at least more than Collins/Lauri/Hendricks).. The HORNETS get depth in the front court, a solid backup for Williams at the 5 and also gives them the Weapon of being able to use a stretched 5...and he would be a perfect fit, if he is lucky and lands Flagg or Edjecombe

[jazzfan1971]

Reports were that Jazz and Pelicans were close on an Ingram trade in the offseason, but Ingram nixed the deal because he had no interest in going to Utah. I'd imagine that's still true, unless they are absolutely guaranteeing a full max salary over 4 years, which is highly unlikely.

I think he didn't want to sign the extention that the Jazz were will8ng to pay.