Bam Adebayo offerts(only about payments)

[BBallFreak]

Better at rebounding and blocking shots? Sure.

Jovic clearing in every other facet right now: scoring at a higher rate (21.7 pp100 vs 18.7 pp100); far superior ballhandler; facilitating at a monumentally better rate (5.9 ap100 vs 1.6 ap100); Jovic actually has a higher rate on stocks (which I'd argue steals are more valuable than blocks as steals present change of possession); Jovic has better OBPM (+0.3 vs -0.5) and DBPM (+0.4 vs +0.3).

Jovic is also the superior perimeter shooter when you look at 3P% and rate of attempts, Jovic is a more efficient scorer based on FG%, TS%, and eFG%.

TBH Jabari seems homeless as someone who is not built to bang with centers and doesn't have close to requisite handle or playmaking to be a versatile forward. To the contrary, Jovic has a playmaking SF game in a PF body--and yet still is a better screener!

What is the case for Jabari aside from name recognition bc I'm not seeing it? I'd rather have Tari Eason on my team longterm than Jabari.

I'm not that excited about Channing Frye 2.0

It's ceiling that you're not considering. I don't see Jovic ever averaging more than 15 to 17 a game. I could see Smith averaging 20 to 22 a game. It's based on potential to a very real degree. Yeah, they're close right now, but their is a reason Jovic was picked 27th and Smith was picked 3rd.

Incorrect--it's ceiling I'm considering for a player that has the frame and physicality of a light PF yet is so far from having a handle or any passing chops that I honestly expect him to be an end of rotation player soon after his rookie contract. What is the function in an offense aside from spot up shooter?

What are we envisioning with Jabari's ceiling given he currently plays 30 mpg and averages 1 assist and 1 turnover and has no handle to move around the court? There are more than 50 PFs in the NBA currently averaging more assists per game than Jabari and most of them don't have the benefit of 30 mpg.

Among all Forwards in the NBA that have played at least 15 games this season and average at least 15 mpg, Jabari is LAST in Assist%. 150th out of 150 forwards. He's also 91st among forwards in screen assists.

Jabari wouldn't fit in a room with his ceiling bc he'd be too tall for it.

Again--give me Tari Eason on the rockets any day over Jabari moving forward. Give me Jovic over Jabari pretty easily.

You're entitled to your opinion, of course, I just don't agree. I think Smith projects to be the better player.

[greg4012]

It's ceiling that you're not considering. I don't see Jovic ever averaging more than 15 to 17 a game. I could see Smith averaging 20 to 22 a game. It's based on potential to a very real degree. Yeah, they're close right now, but their is a reason Jovic was picked 27th and Smith was picked 3rd.

Incorrect--it's ceiling I'm considering for a player that has the frame and physicality of a light PF yet is so far from having a handle or any passing chops that I honestly expect him to be an end of rotation player soon after his rookie contract. What is the function in an offense aside from spot up shooter?

What are we envisioning with Jabari's ceiling given he currently plays 30 mpg and averages 1 assist and 1 turnover and has no handle to move around the court? There are more than 50 PFs in the NBA currently averaging more assists per game than Jabari and most of them don't have the benefit of 30 mpg.

Among all Forwards in the NBA that have played at least 15 games this season and average at least 15 mpg, Jabari is LAST in Assist%. 150th out of 150 forwards. He's also 91st among forwards in screen assists.

Jabari wouldn't fit in a room with his ceiling bc he'd be too tall for it.

Again--give me Tari Eason on the rockets any day over Jabari moving forward. Give me Jovic over Jabari pretty easily.

You're entitled to your opinion, of course, I just don't agree. I think Smith projects to be the better player.

Entitled to back my opinion with objective data, as well.

What's the function of him scaling up in a successful offense without any handle or passing or screening??

Personally, I'd bet on the PF with a SF handle to scale up scoring before the one with league-worst passing, no handle, and inferior screening.

What are the actions for Jabari to scale scoring?

[greg4012]

FYI--there's a reason HOU fans are floating Jabari in trade packages. They've prob seen it and think its smart to cut bait for value before his extension comes up as soon as this offseason.

[VaDe255]

Didn't expect ppl to value Jabari over Jovic, but fine I guess it matters more what position in the draft you were picked rather than what you actually shown on the court in 3 years of playing in the NBA.

As greg outlined, there is more than enough objective evidence to support taking Jovic over Jabari, guess we'll just wait and see what happens.

[Papi_swav]

If they can find a way for Bam and Ware to play together efficiently than that'll be scary good and I trust coach Spo can do that. But paying BAM 50M in 2027 sounds annoying.

[greg4012]

If they can find a way for Bam and Ware to play together efficiently than that'll be scary good and I trust coach Spo can do that. But paying BAM 50M in 2027 sounds annoying.

Talk percentage of cap to me

[Astaluego]

Refloat this...I honestly think that Miami has a diamond in Ware and should take advantage of it to get great value from Bam... Risacher+OO+Nance +FRP for Bam...who says no?.. Maybe replace Risacher/Nance for Hunter and another FRP...?

Maybe to the Knicks..??

Knicks
In:Bam/Highsmith/Martín
Out:OG/Robinson/Dadiet+ Future FRP

KAT/Achiuwa
Bam/Highsmith
Hart/Martin
Bridges/Mcbride
Brunson/Payne

HEAT
In:OG/Dadiet/Future FRP(Knicks)
Out:Bam/Highsmith



HOUSTON
In: Robinson
Out:Adams/SRP

HORNETS
In:Adams/SRP(by Houston)
Out:Martin

[BBallFreak]

Refloat this...I honestly think that Miami has a diamond in Ware and should take advantage of it to get great value from Bam... Risacher+OO+Nance +FRP for Bam...who says no?.. Maybe replace Risacher/Nance for Hunter and another FRP...?

Maybe to the Knicks..??

Knicks
In:Bam/Highsmith/Martín
Out:OG/Robinson/Dadiet+ Future FRP

KAT/Achiuwa
Bam/Highsmith
Hart/Martin
Bridges/Mcbride
Brunson/Payne

HEAT
In:OG/Dadiet/Future FRP(Knicks)
Out:Bam/Highsmith



HOUSTON
In: Robinson
Out:Adams/SRP

HORNETS
In:Adams/SRP(by Houston)
Out:Martin

This isn't what I'd call cashing in. I'm thinking at least 4 first round picks and good players is cashing in, but I don't see why we do it? If Bam can play power forward next to KAT he can play power forward next to Ware. We don't own our own picks so getting worse isn't an option.

[Scoot McGroot]

FYI--there's a reason HOU fans are floating Jabari in trade packages. They've prob seen it and think its smart to cut bait for value before his extension comes up as soon as this offseason.

To be fair, it's also an embarrassment of riches there. They hit on Sengun at center. They hit on Eason, Whitmore, and Amen at the forwards, and still have Dillon Brooks too. And a LOT of really good picks on the way, too. With only so many minutes to go around, and a lot of really good players, it's only smart to shop a guy that would have a solid contributing role elsewhere.

[Devilanche]

I think it's the opposite. I think pretty much everyone would value both Sheppard and Smith more than Jovic. Smith is a currently better player at the same age with a higher prospect pedigree. I really can't fathom why anyone would argue for Jovic over him. With Sheppard, there's definitely some projection so if you just think he's going to bust I can see it, but that's not the popular opinion.

Better at rebounding and blocking shots (while still being worse than average centers at the same)? Sure.

Jovic clearing in every other facet right now: scoring at a higher rate (21.7 pp100 vs 18.7 pp100); far superior ballhandler; facilitating at a monumentally better rate (5.9 ap100 vs 1.6 ap100); Jovic actually has a higher rate on stocks (which I'd argue steals are more valuable than blocks as steals present change of possession); Jovic has better OBPM (+0.3 vs -0.5) and DBPM (+0.4 vs +0.3).

Jovic is also the superior perimeter shooter when you look at 3P% and rate of attempts, Jovic is a more efficient scorer based on FG%, TS%, and eFG%.

TBH Jabari seems homeless as someone who is not built to bang with centers and doesn't have close to requisite handle or playmaking to be a versatile forward. To the contrary, Jovic has a playmaking SF game in a PF body--and yet still is a better screener!

What is the case for Jabari aside from name recognition bc I'm not seeing it? I'd rather have Tari Eason on my team longterm than Jabari.

I'm not that excited about Channing Frye 2.0

How much of an extension do you see for both players ?

[jayjaysee]

Miami shouldn’t/won’t trade Bam* but since this thread popped back up I wanted to try this last time..

2025 CLT unprotected first, 2025 Miami first, 2027 worse of Dallas/CLT firsts, 2029 CLT first, 2031 CLT first
2027 better of Dallas/CLT first to OKC
Bam to CLT

Whatever salary CLT wants to include? Miami doesn’t do an 18 month tank and sign Luka or Fox or..

[eminence]

Utah could put in a pick/youth based offer with Collins as the main salary matching. Kessler would seem likely to be part of the outgoing youth, others would be up to Miami.

Try to build around a core of Sexton/Lauri/Bam while still having a reasonable number of picks going forward.

[BBallFreak]

Miami shouldn’t/won’t trade Bam* but since this thread popped back up I wanted to try this last time..

2025 CLT unprotected first, 2025 Miami first, 2027 worse of Dallas/CLT firsts, 2029 CLT first, 2031 CLT first
2027 better of Dallas/CLT first to OKC
Bam to CLT

Whatever salary CLT wants to include? Miami doesn’t do an 18 month tank and sign Luka or Fox or..

Couple of things:

1) you would think Miami's own first from Charlotte would be included instead of one of the other picks. Getting both those picks would mitigate the risk of struggle

2) Charlotte doesn't have the salaries you're talking about. Look at their cap sheet.

[jayjaysee]

Miami shouldn’t/won’t trade Bam* but since this thread popped back up I wanted to try this last time..

2025 CLT unprotected first, 2025 Miami first, 2027 worse of Dallas/CLT firsts, 2029 CLT first, 2031 CLT first
2027 better of Dallas/CLT first to OKC
Bam to CLT

Whatever salary CLT wants to include? Miami doesn’t do an 18 month tank and sign Luka or Fox or..

Couple of things:

1) you would think Miami's own first from Charlotte would be included instead of one of the other picks. Getting both those picks would mitigate the risk of struggle

2) Charlotte doesn't have the salaries you're talking about. Look at their cap sheet.

1 - yeah I forgot to include it. But that is why I went with CLT as I don’t think OKC goes for him at this point.. maybe CLT can “leverage” their way into keeping the 2025 first by including the 2027 Miami first, Salaun and swaps?

2 - CLT can easily match salaries for anyone in league given their tax space. They have a lot of matching options, a lot of expiring money, some bad money..

[BBallFreak]

Miami shouldn’t/won’t trade Bam* but since this thread popped back up I wanted to try this last time..

2025 CLT unprotected first, 2025 Miami first, 2027 worse of Dallas/CLT firsts, 2029 CLT first, 2031 CLT first
2027 better of Dallas/CLT first to OKC
Bam to CLT

Whatever salary CLT wants to include? Miami doesn’t do an 18 month tank and sign Luka or Fox or..

Couple of things:

1) you would think Miami's own first from Charlotte would be included instead of one of the other picks. Getting both those picks would mitigate the risk of struggle

2) Charlotte doesn't have the salaries you're talking about. Look at their cap sheet.

1 - yeah I forgot to include it. But that is why I went with CLT as I don’t think OKC goes for him at this point.. maybe CLT can “leverage” their way into keeping the 2025 first by including the 2027 Miami first, Salaun and swaps?

2 - CLT can easily match salaries for anyone in league given their tax space. They have a lot of matching options, a lot of expiring money, some bad money..

1) I'd still want both our picks back if we're trading Bam.

3) The salary we get back matters so I guess it depends on what Charlotte can work out, but obviously I don't see this actually happening. Interesting, but this trade is a rebuilding deal and that's just not our thing.

[jayjaysee]

Couple of things:

1) you would think Miami's own first from Charlotte would be included instead of one of the other picks. Getting both those picks would mitigate the risk of struggle

2) Charlotte doesn't have the salaries you're talking about. Look at their cap sheet.

1 - yeah I forgot to include it. But that is why I went with CLT as I don’t think OKC goes for him at this point.. maybe CLT can “leverage” their way into keeping the 2025 first by including the 2027 Miami first, Salaun and swaps?

2 - CLT can easily match salaries for anyone in league given their tax space. They have a lot of matching options, a lot of expiring money, some bad money..

1) I'd still want both our picks back if we're trading Bam.

3) The salary we get back matters so I guess it depends on what Charlotte can work out, but obviously I don't see this actually happening. Interesting, but this trade is a rebuilding deal and that's just not our thing.

Yeah. Given CLT’s tax space. There’s a way to play with it to make it legal with only Salaun’s contract after 2026. Agree that it’s less realistic than any of the Butler ideas though.

[ReggiesKnicks]

3 team deal with my Pacers. It has to be a 3-team deal because Miami can't take back more money than they send out and Indiana is only 147K below the Tax Line and will be avoiding the tax.

Miami - Bam for Turner, Tucker (waived), Mathurin, 2029 1st and 2031 1st, 2nd
Indiana - Turner, Mathurin, Toppin, 2029 1st and 2031 1st, 2 2nds for Bam, Bones
LAC - Tucker, Bones for Toppin, 2nd

Miami enters a re-tool while staying competitive, Pacers form a real Big 3 with Hali/Siakam/Bam and Clippers get an actual player for expiring in Toppin.

[the_process]

Fox for Bam this summer.

Fox & Bam this summer

That costs you Ware and more. But very doable.

And I am of the opinion Fox really wants to go to Miami.