2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 5 - JIMMY BUTTWART EXTRAVAGANZA

[MettaWorldPanda]

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So we would in essence be trading Jimmy for Bruce Brown and contract fillers? Unless there is a good amount of draft capital, then that is an epically low return.

What are you expecting for a 35 year old malcontent? The other option is he stays home and you possibly get even less next year or nothing at all. Heat wants expiring’s and picks.

[Kobewade11]

Herro has one good half season where he hasnt been injured YET and suddenly he is untradeable.. this guy has been as unreliable as Butler. He is prone to injury, suddenly playing good to try to get a super max extension. He has missed crucial games, even a NBA Finals run he was not available, and we dont even know whats to come the rest of this season.

If the Kings are crazy enough to offer Fox to us for Herro and other asset, say JJJ and draft picks.. im taking that deal and im leaving thinking i just committed robbery out of the biggest bank in the world in broad daylight.

Come the **** on guys yall cant be serious. We couldnt even get Damian Lilliard for Herro and other assets not too long ago, they laughed at us, no team in the league would send us even a highly protected first for him when we tried, and now hes untouchable for Fox because a half good season?

Herro is not even super max eligible lol. Obviously everyone is entitled to their own opinion but if you think swapping Herro, draft compensation, AND another young asset for Fox somehow makes us a better team then all I can say is I'm glad Andy/Riley make the calls and not you.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Randle is 2 time all NBA. U give up anything and everything to get a player like that. Put it all on the table. No ragrets.

I’m sending Bam Ware Herro Jovic Jaime and any available 1st to get this done, then you work on building from there once you have the proven superstar in Randle

[Rapaz]

Both Fox and his wife are from Texas. Wife specifically from San Antonio. Just built a house in Houston. If Spurs want to get this done it’s a cold hard wrap. Maybe even Houston gets in on this.

There was an article a couple years ago where they interviewed Fox and his Wife during his stay in the offseason training in Miami. She apparently really disliked it here, but there was not reasoning behind it.

That article was planted by Pat Riley or one of his minions. He’s been playing the long game.

[MorbidHEAT]

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So we would in essence be trading Jimmy for Bruce Brown and contract fillers? Unless there is a good amount of draft capital, then that is an epically low return.

What are you expecting for a 35 year old malcontent? The other option is he stays home and you possibly get even less next year or nothing at all. Heat wants expiring’s and picks.

What am I expecting? Simple answer: More than Bruce Brown. Which is why I mentioned a good amount of draft capital.

[MorbidHEAT]

Randle is 2 time all NBA. U give up anything and everything to get a player like that. Put it all on the table. No ragrets.

I’m sending Bam Ware Herro Jovic Jaime and any available 1st to get this done, then you work on building from there once you have the proven superstar in Randle

I must be having a stroke. We are talking about consistent playoff no show Julius Randle? And you are talking about trading Bam?

[SA37]

Spoiler:

Depends what you're suggesting they're better at. I don't really care too much who the expiring players are that Miami gets back in a Jimmy trade as long as Miami isn't giving up anything more of value and is getting some draft capital. I care a little bit more if its for this season and next season. I greatly value the developmental context that the young pieces currently get to operate within. I'm loving the growth and growing fit of the frontcourt pieces on Miami's roster. Me likey the synergy.

Randle is a total trap player in the NBA. Still can't believe MIN made that trade.

They're just better basketball players. It's not even close.

Now, I have no issue with the fact that you are excited about Miami's prospects and would like to see Miami acquire draft capital to perhaps enhance that down the road. I'm just telling you that this is not how Miami has operated historically. Riley LOVES veterans. Iguodala, PJ Tucker, K Love, Kyle Lowry, Trevor Ariza,...all acquired at 35<, I believe. (And this is precisely why Miami doesn't have any draft capital: it's all been traded away for....veterans.)

Also, no issue if you, or other posters, don't like Randle. All I'm saying is Miami has pursued/been interested Randle in the past. He's a Kentucky guy, like Riley. Like Adebayo. Like Herro. Like De'Aaron Fox. Randle has a similar size+skillset to guys Riley has loved or taken a chance on in the past, like Lamar Odom, Anthony Mason, Justise Winslow, Mike Beasley -- essentially Randle is what Miami wishes Beasley had become --, Antoine Walker....etc.

Again, I doubt Randle ends up in Miami before the deadline, but it's not impossible.

I'd bet a good amount of money that Kel'el Ware will have a more successful NBA career than Julius Randle--especially when it comes to winning playoff games. Players that need to be high usage and stop the ball in order to generate their own offense but don't generate quality efficient offense at a commensurate rate to justify their usage are traps. When those players are sub par defenders its worse.

I ain't gonna stop you from being a Randle fan. Nothing absolute about it tho.

It has nothing to do with being a Randle fan. He is a better player than Jovic or Ware right now and likely through the life of his current contract, if not longer. Middleton and Portis are clearly better players than Jovic or Ware right now and likely through the life of their current contract. You can say this for Wiggins, Beal, Lavine...etc pretty much anyone Miami has been linked to acquiring with the exception of Bruce Brown.

This is oversimplifying but, as a general rule, what makes veterans more valuable than rookies/quasi rookies is that you get a certain level of consistency that is generally lacking from inexperienced players. Of course, there are exceptions to that.

Jovic and Ware are not exceptions to that until they prove otherwise.

[MettaWorldPanda]

So we would in essence be trading Jimmy for Bruce Brown and contract fillers? Unless there is a good amount of draft capital, then that is an epically low return.

What are you expecting for a 35 year old malcontent? The other option is he stays home and you possibly get even less next year or nothing at all. Heat wants expiring’s and picks.

What am I expecting? Simple answer: More than Bruce Brown. Which is why I mentioned a good amount of draft capital.

Brown only makes 23 million so a significant gap needs to be filled. Other pieces will be coming but nothing crazy. We could just end up with Butler on the couch. I’ll take whatever we can get as long as it expires and motivated to help the team while they try and earn there next contract.

[SA37]

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Yucky if true. The only good news there is Golden State could potentially send Miami GP II, who would be a fine addition, imo.

[MettaWorldPanda]

At very least we should get the draft capital the 76ers got for Harden

The 76ers sent Harden, P.J. Tucker and Filip Petrusev to the Clippers for Marcus Morris, Robert Covington, Nic Batum, KJ Martin, a 2028 unprotected first-round pick, two second-round picks, a 2029 pick swap and an additional first-round pick from the Oklahoma City Thunder, sources told ESPN.

Like the package above we'll be sending out some form of combination of Butler(Harden), Washed Love(Washed Tucker), and Petrusev(J Rich or Burks). Morris, Batum, Covington, and Martin all came in as expiring contracts. This is basically the blueprint of what the deal should look like.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Yucky if true. The only good news there is Golden State could potentially send Miami GP II, who would be a fine addition, imo.

GP2 would fit like a “glove” here

[MettaWorldPanda]

Bruce Brown and GP2 as new backcourt additions are like adding some savage devil dogs defensively to the backcourt. They will help immensely

[SA37]

Randle is 2 time all NBA. U give up anything and everything to get a player like that. Put it all on the table. No ragrets.

He isn't near All-NBA talent anymore.

Bruh, the guy averaged 24-9-5 last year on 47-31-78 and made the all-star team. To put his numbers in perspective, the only other players to average 20-9-5 were Embiid, Jokic, Giannis, Doncic, and Sengun. He wasn't eligible for the All-NBA team (not that he would have made it necessarily), but he literally made the all-NBA team the season before that when he averaged 25-10-4 on 46-34-75.

Including this season, he has been an all-star 3 of the last 5 seasons and been all-NBA (one 2nd team and one 3rd team) 2 out of those 5 seasons.

It's fine if people don't like his playing style or whatever, but objectively the guy is a really f'n good basketball player and some of y'all are like "bUt WaRe aNd JoViC".

[MettaWorldPanda]

Andrew Wiggins is from Toronto. It makes a ton of sense he somehow ends up there in this trade. Masai has a knack for bringing the kids back into country.

[BBallFreak]

At very least we should get the draft capital the 76ers got for Harden

The 76ers sent Harden, P.J. Tucker and Filip Petrusev to the Clippers for Marcus Morris, Robert Covington, Nic Batum, KJ Martin, a 2028 unprotected first-round pick, two second-round picks, a 2029 pick swap and an additional first-round pick from the Oklahoma City Thunder, sources told ESPN.

Like the package above we'll be sending out some form of combination of Butler(Harden), Washed Love(Washed Tucker), and Petrusev(J Rich or Burks). Morris, Batum, Covington, and Martin all came in as expiring contracts. This is basically the blueprint of what the deal should look like.

Roughly, but you have to understand - the package has to exist.

[MettaWorldPanda]

At very least we should get the draft capital the 76ers got for Harden

The 76ers sent Harden, P.J. Tucker and Filip Petrusev to the Clippers for Marcus Morris, Robert Covington, Nic Batum, KJ Martin, a 2028 unprotected first-round pick, two second-round picks, a 2029 pick swap and an additional first-round pick from the Oklahoma City Thunder, sources told ESPN.

Like the package above we'll be sending out some form of combination of Butler(Harden), Washed Love(Washed Tucker), and Petrusev(J Rich or Burks). Morris, Batum, Covington, and Martin all came in as expiring contracts. This is basically the blueprint of what the deal should look like.

Roughly, but you have to understand - the package has to exist.

Looking at the Golden State package and it's essentially there if not getting close to the finish line.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Are people seriously advocating for Julius Randle? Talented but maligned 3/4 tweener, who plays no defense and prefers to live on the perimeter chucking 3's or playing iso ball, we tried this 20 years ago, his name was Antoine Walker, I'll pass.

Bruh, the guy averaged 24-9-5 last year on 47-31-78 and made the all-star team. He wasn't eligible for the All-NBA team (not that he would have made it necessarily), but he literally made the all-NBA team the season before that when he averaged 25-10-4 on 46-34-75.

Including this season, he has been an all-star 3 of the last 5 seasons and been all-NBA (one 2nd team and one 3rd team) 2 out of those 5 seasons.

It's fine if people don't like his playing style or whatever, but objectively the guy is a really f'n good basketball player and some of y'all are like "bUt WaRe aNd JoViC".

His advanced numbers paint a much worse picture, he's much more of a net neutral and sometimes even negative player, and he's now on the wrong side of 30.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/randlju01.html

Also I think we're 5-10 years past the point of citing basic boxscore numbers and thinking of them like we did in the 90's/00's/most of 10's, 25 points in today's game is like 20 points 10 years ago, and boards/assists are inflated as well, due to pace.

[BBallFreak]

At very least we should get the draft capital the 76ers got for Harden

The 76ers sent Harden, P.J. Tucker and Filip Petrusev to the Clippers for Marcus Morris, Robert Covington, Nic Batum, KJ Martin, a 2028 unprotected first-round pick, two second-round picks, a 2029 pick swap and an additional first-round pick from the Oklahoma City Thunder, sources told ESPN.

Like the package above we'll be sending out some form of combination of Butler(Harden), Washed Love(Washed Tucker), and Petrusev(J Rich or Burks). Morris, Batum, Covington, and Martin all came in as expiring contracts. This is basically the blueprint of what the deal should look like.

Roughly, but you have to understand - the package has to exist.

Looking at the Golden State package and it's essentially there if not getting close to the finish line.

If Wiggins is re-reouted to Toronto and value come along with him and from Toronto, yeah, that could do it, but Golden State had to add other salary and has to be able to replace the players they lose.

[heater4life]

If Fox were on the table; potential 4 team trade

Mia- Fox, Olynyk
GS- Butler
Toronto- Payton, Lyles, Looney 2nd round picks
SAC- Kuminga, Jaquez, Wiggins, Boucher, 1st round picks, swaps

[Heat3]

Are people seriously advocating for Julius Randle? Talented but maligned 3/4 tweener, who plays no defense and prefers to live on the perimeter chucking 3's or playing iso ball, we tried this 20 years ago, his name was Antoine Walker, I'll pass.

Thats nba champion and Heat’s 2nd leading scorer in the finals Antoine Walker!