Kings trade Fox to Spurs, get LaVine

[The Master]

Here's a list of some players that are currently older than Alperen Sengun:

Jalen Williams
Cade Cunningham
Jalen Johnson
Jake LaRavia
Jalen Green
Christian Braun
Jaden Ivey
Dalton Knecht

He's young AF and he's already dominating. He should not get taken for granted anywhere near the way he is. I feel like if I had to bet if it was more likely for Sengun to win MVP or Fox to ever make 2nd-team all-NBA, I'm not sure which one I'd take. I might lean toward Sengun honestly.

Sengun is already a better player than Fox unless Fox comes back to his 2022/23 shape.

Rockets would make sense if they trade Vanvleet and Sheppard or/and Smith or/and draft picks (we're talking a rental price here, Fox has 18 months of contract) - but the problem is with 2nd apron long term I don't think it would be possible to keep Sengun-Amen-Green-Fox-Eason core - and it's not like Fox is a talent to take them over the top nor he fits that well here. They need 1A option here and I don't think that's Fox.

And first and foremost, with Rockets-Brooklyn trade from the summer, they clearly wait on what's going to happen with Suns, there are bigger fishes to catch than De'Aron Fox in this pool. At some point, there's a high probability that they can trade Green, fillers and Suns picks for Booker.

[Jasen777]

People tend to use that word too loosely. Untouchtables should be reserved for Superstar and first option players.

And Rodrigue Beaubois

[Effigy]

If the Kings trade Fox are they blowing it up or are they going to try to keep competing with what they get back? If it's the latter, how about trading for Trey Young? They send Fox to the Spurs, the Spurs send Castle and some picks to Atlanta. Maybe the Kings also have to toss in a pick or two and the Kings get Trey. What makes this intriguing for Atlanta is the Spurs have their picks, so if they could get some/all of those back, it makes the deal more palatable. This would be similar to the Mikael Bridges trade where Atanta won't trade Trey without getting their picks back and so as long as they have Trey the picks are middling middle of the draft picks that aren't that valuable.

I still think Trey should be the Spurs' target and not Fox, personally. But of course all this assumes Atlanta is willing to trade Trae.

[Meeksology]

Calling it Fox to the Lakers for Reaves/fillers/picks


Lakers did it again!

Please God no. The day he plays for the Lakers will be the day I stop rooting for him.

EDIT:
Knowing the history between Sac and LAL I doubt a trade would happen between the 2

[Castle Black]

FWIW, Fox's wife is from San Antonio and her family reportedly still lives here. Would likely factor into their decision as well if he wants to be a Spur.

[Ruma85]

FWIW, Fox's wife is from San Antonio and her family reportedly still lives here. Would likely factor into their decision as well if he wants to be a Spur.

You think the Spurs should pull the trigger at the deadline for fox, or waiting for the offseason?

[Castle Black]

FWIW, Fox's wife is from San Antonio and her family reportedly still lives here. Would likely factor into their decision as well if he wants to be a Spur.

You think the Spurs should pull the trigger at the deadline for fox, or waiting for the offseason?

All depends on asking price. If he's going to be a Spur, then I'd prefer it be sooner rather than later obv, but I'm also okay with being patient and waiting to see where our draft picks wind up this Summer before trading them away. I also really don't want to lose Stephon Castle, who just turned 20 and is already a consistent jump-shot away from being an All-Star caliber player. So it really just comes down to asking price. He's obviously going to be very expensive to acquire, but how expensive is the question.

[Ruma85]

FWIW, Fox's wife is from San Antonio and her family reportedly still lives here. Would likely factor into their decision as well if he wants to be a Spur.

You think the Spurs should pull the trigger at the deadline for fox, or waiting for the offseason?

All depends on asking price. If he's going to be a Spur, then I'd like him sooner rather than later obv, but I'm also okay with being patient and waiting to see where our draft picks wind up this Summer before trading them away. I also really don't want to lose Stephon Castle, who just turned 20 and is already a consistent jump-shot away from being an All-Star caliber player. So it really just comes down to asking price. He's obviously going to be very expensive to acquire, but how expensive is the question.

I really don't see Kings trading him to the Spurs without Castle, unless they want to give Devon Carter the starting role which they are high on, ether way it will be interesting to see where he ends up.

[phanman]

If the Kings trade Fox are they blowing it up or are they going to try to keep competing with what they get back? If it's the latter, how about trading for Trey Young? They send Fox to the Spurs, the Spurs send Castle and some picks to Atlanta. Maybe the Kings also have to toss in a pick or two and the Kings get Trey. What makes this intriguing for Atlanta is the Spurs have their picks, so if they could get some/all of those back, it makes the deal more palatable. This would be similar to the Mikael Bridges trade where Atanta won't trade Trey without getting their picks back and so as long as they have Trey the picks are middling middle of the draft picks that aren't that valuable.

I still think Trey should be the Spurs' target and not Fox, personally. But of course all this assumes Atlanta is willing to trade Trae.

The issue with your proposal is that Atlanta does not want to trade Trae and the Spurs don't want him either. Especially now that Atlanta has finally built a team around Trae's strengths/weaknesses. Also a Castle/Daniels backcourt would be a nightmare offensively.

The more I think about it, if I were the Spurs there is no way I'm giving up Castle. His demeanor as a rookie is unique and he hasn't even had a full NBA offseason to develop yet. I think he's going to be a monster next season after spending an entire year at the Chris Paul school of PGs. Especially considering how competitive the play-in race is and the uphill climb to knock off the veteran-laden teams ahead of them

[CIN-C-STAR]

You think the Spurs should pull the trigger at the deadline for fox, or waiting for the offseason?

All depends on asking price. If he's going to be a Spur, then I'd like him sooner rather than later obv, but I'm also okay with being patient and waiting to see where our draft picks wind up this Summer before trading them away. I also really don't want to lose Stephon Castle, who just turned 20 and is already a consistent jump-shot away from being an All-Star caliber player. So it really just comes down to asking price. He's obviously going to be very expensive to acquire, but how expensive is the question.

I really don't see Kings trading him to the Spurs without Castle, unless they want to give Devon Carter the starting role which they are high on, ether way it will be interesting to see where he ends up.

Considering their respective salaries, I would consider Castle pretty much untouchable in Fox trade talks.
The guy looks like a cornerstone piece and you have him salary controlled for the next like 5 years.

[Pointgod]

If the Kings trade Fox are they blowing it up or are they going to try to keep competing with what they get back? If it's the latter, how about trading for Trey Young? They send Fox to the Spurs, the Spurs send Castle and some picks to Atlanta. Maybe the Kings also have to toss in a pick or two and the Kings get Trey. What makes this intriguing for Atlanta is the Spurs have their picks, so if they could get some/all of those back, it makes the deal more palatable. This would be similar to the Mikael Bridges trade where Atanta won't trade Trey without getting their picks back and so as long as they have Trey the picks are middling middle of the draft picks that aren't that valuable.

I still think Trey should be the Spurs' target and not Fox, personally. But of course all this assumes Atlanta is willing to trade Trae.

Super intriguing trade proposal with 2 of the 3 teams owning each others picks…

[davidv2001]

I don't see this happening till the offseason. People are hating on Fox, but he's still a top PG in the league, and is a solid scorer in the clutch and 4th quarter. He's averaged 25/4/6 since 2021, and has put the Kings in the mix for the first time since Webber.

People think Fred and some picks is going to get it done are delusional. Same with packages centered around Vessel.

Rockets would need to throw in Reed and Tari just to get the Kings to pick up the phone. SAS would need to give up Castle. HOU can do it, but lets be honest, they already have 2 guys signed to Max deals, and neither looks like their best prospect. Thompson is going to break out and get a max, right around the time Fox would sign him.

The Math just doesn't work for HOU unless they give the godfather offer, but that isn't worth it when the team is still too young. Thompson is not getting traded nor are Green and Sengun.

SAS just doesn't have enough pieces to compete yet. They are atleast one year away from actually thinking about this type of move. There just isn't enough talent on the roster, let alone after this trade.

Honestly, I hate to say it, but MIA looks to be in a solid spot to trade for Fox, and it makes a ton of sense for both sides. The only caveat would be what happens with a Butler trade, but sending Fox to MIA to reunite with KT standouts Herro and Bam seems nice.

Heat have the ability to give their godfather offer and still be a solid contender. They can easily match salaries this year with Rozier and Duncan, and can throw in JJJ, Jovic, and Ware are prospects as well as picks. Depending on what they get in return for Butler that could be a solid get, as they would still have a nice rotation.

Fox, Huerter, Dougy Buckets for Terry, Duncan, JJJ, Ware, Jovic, 2 picks seems like a trade both teams would be happy with. MIA fans lose their mind because they don't realize JJJ is just a bench player, and Jovic not a huge loss.

Kings go into next year with a young core of Ware, Murray, Jovic, JJJ, and Carter

MIA gets a big 3 of Bam, Herro, and Fox, and get to surround them with solid role players. Huerter would be great in MIA, and they would still have Love, HH, Dru, and whatever they get in the Butler trade. MIA does well finding guys for cheap, they just need to get that guy.

You're vastly overrating Fox's market. The point is that the Kings don't want to give him his extension at the number he's gonna be eligible for when he DOESN'T make all-NBA this year. Much like Jimmy Butler, he's demanding a trade because that's the only way he feels he's going to possibly get a max extension.

Fox is having his worst season since 21/22. He currently ranks 56th in the league in BPM and 73rd in EPM. He's 27 which while obviously not old is definitely on the downside of the aging curve for a small guard. This could fall apart fast. I think if the offer is VanVleet and 2 firsts, the Rockets hang up the phone and rightfully so. The Kings don't want to re-sign him. If they want to get a big package of picks back, they're going to have to take on some questionable salary.

100% this

Fox didn't wanna extend over the summer (and up to now) because he hoped he could sneak into an all-NBA team this season so he could make the big bucks a-la Tyrese Haliburton. he's also willing to go elsewhere generally.
he's got a season and a half and he isn't that good (or durable) to begin with. teams aren't going to invest real assets in a guy who can sign elsewhere after next season for free, thus his market value is pretty low except for maybe the team he's interested in going to, in which case he will get traded and immedietly sign an pre-agreed extention

Spurs make a whole lot of sense so i'm guessing it's the Spurs but who knows

either way, this is closer to a sign and trade than it is to a trade. Kings gonna get a FRP out of it and call it a day

The Kings would just hold Fox through next season if all they can get for him is a single first-round pick. Come on now.

[Marvin Martian]

If the Kings trade Fox are they blowing it up or are they going to try to keep competing with what they get back? If it's the latter, how about trading for Trey Young? They send Fox to the Spurs, the Spurs send Castle and some picks to Atlanta. Maybe the Kings also have to toss in a pick or two and the Kings get Trey. What makes this intriguing for Atlanta is the Spurs have their picks, so if they could get some/all of those back, it makes the deal more palatable. This would be similar to the Mikael Bridges trade where Atanta won't trade Trey without getting their picks back and so as long as they have Trey the picks are middling middle of the draft picks that aren't that valuable.

I still think Trey should be the Spurs' target and not Fox, personally. But of course all this assumes Atlanta is willing to trade Trae.

If the Kings are blowing it up, then why should teams inquire about Fox instead of Sabonis who is the better player?

[liquidswords]

The Spurs should trade for Fox NOW. You get longer term and they already have a ton of assets that could go SAC's way. One of the assets would be CP3's expiring contract. Plus, having Fox + Wemby + Castle builds an attractive offering for free agents in the summer

[Exp0sed]

The Kings would just hold Fox through next season if all they can get for him is a single first-round pick. Come on now.

I didn't literally mean a single first rd. pick and that's it. I meant, something that's based on a FRP,maybe toss in a couple of 2nds and decent filters, Keldon and Collins are the most likely

this is 2025, the Kings aren't going to keep him around for a whole season when he doesn't want to be there. there's alot of added risk going that route and since he's ony a rental, no1 is going to give up major assets for him. that means the best deal they can get is the one with the team he actually wants to go to, that's how Rich Paul navigates these things, he'll get his guy to where he wants to go

if the Kings don't get enough (in their eyes), they might wait to deal him over the summer but I highly doubt he will be in a Kings uniform at the start of training camp next year. there really isn't alot of sense in keeping him around, he'll be gone after next season anyway so if u can get a FRP, a couple of 2nds etc., why not do it? they're not getting a difference maker back for a 1.5 year rental of Fox, when his agent is basically tampering letting teams know "he's got his sights" on a specific team in the 2026 FA

[Exp0sed]

If the Kings trade Fox are they blowing it up or are they going to try to keep competing with what they get back? If it's the latter, how about trading for Trey Young? They send Fox to the Spurs, the Spurs send Castle and some picks to Atlanta. Maybe the Kings also have to toss in a pick or two and the Kings get Trey. What makes this intriguing for Atlanta is the Spurs have their picks, so if they could get some/all of those back, it makes the deal more palatable. This would be similar to the Mikael Bridges trade where Atanta won't trade Trey without getting their picks back and so as long as they have Trey the picks are middling middle of the draft picks that aren't that valuable.

I still think Trey should be the Spurs' target and not Fox, personally. But of course all this assumes Atlanta is willing to trade Trae.

If the Kings are blowing it up, then why should teams inquire about Fox instead of Sabonis who is the better player?

who says they're blowing it up? they're not

Fox doesn't want to sign an extention and they don't wanna lose him for nothing after next season, so they're trying to recoup some value and get something back for him

[Black Jack]

If it costed all the pieces, no. But let's look at their pieces:

1. Amen Thompson - 22 years old
2. Reed Sheppard - 20yo
3. Tari Eason - 23yo
4. Jabari Smith - 21yo
5. Cam Whitmore - 20yo

They obviously have Jalen Green and Alpy Sengun who both signed extensions this training camp thus can't really be traded this season.

They also have 10 FRP's to pick from and 6SRP's to sweaten any deal.

They have varying levels of veterans on tradable contracts in Brooks, VanVleet*, Adams*, Jeff Green*, Landale, Tate*. * = expiring.

I would imagine that giving up Thompson, Whitemore and Van Vleet would get the job done no picks needed. Then they'd still have All their picks and other young guys to trade for one more piece.

Houston is NOT trading Thompson. He looks like the star player they are looking for.

Cap and trade rules aside, I would believe them trading Sengun, Green, etc. but not Amen. Amen.

Alpie for Fox, LOL. Might as well trade Sabonis for LaVine. That's some of the most ridiculous **** I've ever heard proposed. It's a top 10 trade asset in the league for a guy who's going to be a negative asset for the vast majority of teams as soon as you give him the extension he's demanding.

I agree Sengun has more trade value than Fox but calling Sengun a top 10 asset is a bit much. He's a short center.

Also Fox might be a better actual player than Sengun. He is in my book.

As usual fans of teams with a lot of young talent overrate some of them.

Houston should absolutely move Sengun in the right scenario such as for Giannis.

[Black Jack]

If it costed all the pieces, no. But let's look at their pieces:

1. Amen Thompson - 22 years old
2. Reed Sheppard - 20yo
3. Tari Eason - 23yo
4. Jabari Smith - 21yo
5. Cam Whitmore - 20yo

They obviously have Jalen Green and Alpy Sengun who both signed extensions this training camp thus can't really be traded this season.

They also have 10 FRP's to pick from and 6SRP's to sweaten any deal.

They have varying levels of veterans on tradable contracts in Brooks, VanVleet*, Adams*, Jeff Green*, Landale, Tate*. * = expiring.

I would imagine that giving up Thompson, Whitemore and Van Vleet would get the job done no picks needed. Then they'd still have All their picks and other young guys to trade for one more piece.

Houston is NOT trading Thompson. He looks like the star player they are looking for.

Cap and trade rules aside, I would believe them trading Sengun, Green, etc. but not Amen. Amen.

I wouldn't trade Alpie or Green if I am Houston either, they are still relative babies in NBA terms.

Sengun and his unique skillset for a big man are rare as hen's teeth, I think he probably needs to beef/toughen up a bit, but the Rockets need to keep him cause of the menace of Wemby lurking over their conference (and division) for the next 15 years plus.

You have to weigh in factors like that when you try to decide what's best for the Rockets future and their path to being contenders (not just for one year, but for the next decade, which I think have an legit opportunity of doing, providing they keep Alpie)

Keeping Sengun would be fine but I don't believe for a minute that he can defend Wemby. Everyone is going to need a mobile, athletic legit 7 footer and maybe two of those to come close to slowing Wemby down.

I personally would package a vet, maybe one of Sengun or Green, one or two of the prospects, and a few picks for a healthy superstar and try to win soon. Waiting for a full decade doesn't always pan out. Figure out who your 1-2 really core guys are then everyone else can gel or be moved. The tricky part is knowing who to keep - that's what a GMs job is.

[Kiss of Death]

The Rockets are not making any major moves this season.
Fox probably goes to the Spurs.

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[tsherkin]

Fox on the Spurs would be nice.