Ayton, Grant, and Simons for anything?

[DusterBuster]

Here is a 4-team deal involving PHX\CHI & DET

Trail Blazers receive: Jusuf Nurkic, Lonzo Ball, Jalen Smith, a 2030 first-round draft pick, a 2026 second-round draft pick, and a 2028 second-round draft pick

Pistons receive: Julian Phillips and Royce O'Neale

Bulls receive: Bradley Beal, Anfernee Simons, Robert Williams III, a 2025 first-round draft pick, a 2027 first-round draft pick, and a 2025 second-round draft pick

Suns receive: Zach LaVine and Jevon Carter

I don't think this works though, as Beal apparently said he would not waive his no trade to go to CHI

This would be a blockbuster deal, with Portland helping to facilitate the trade of LaVine and Beal. The Trail Blazers would move off Anfernee Simons, a player that they have held trade talks about for a while now.

The team would land an extra first-round draft pick, as well as a few second-round draft picks. The team would get Nurkic to replace Williams III in the rotation and the financial flexibility that will come from Ball being a free agent at the end of the year.

Some next level lala land stuff.

[Wizenheimer]

the title of this thread: Ayton, Grant, & Simons for anything

probably needs to be amended to: 'Ayton, Grant, & Simons for the Blazer starting lineup next season'

reboots-r-us

(yeah, I'm trying the old reverse jinx)

[PDXKnight]

If history is any indication whenever the Blazers made a mid to major move under this gm usually we hear nothing before the fact. Obviously there's discussions going on but we probably won't see anything legit until a deal happens.

[PDXKnight]

the title of this thread: Ayton, Grant, & Simons for anything

probably needs to be amended to: 'Ayton, Grant, & Simons for the Blazer starting lineup next season'

reboots-r-us

(yeah, I'm trying the old reverse jinx)

I could totally see that team playing for the play in and losing for 5 straight years and Cronin and jody being happy about that result.

[Walton1one]

Read on Twitter

/history

Looks like DET is looking at Lonzo Ball. I guess it depends on what the price from CHI is? Lonzo is FA, so maybe they think they can get him for a few 2nd's?

Bad news for POR IMO, as Simons would make a lot of sense there, but it appears they may prefer a rental\cheaper acquisition. (or Cronin "Mr Two firsts" is asking for too much)

Read on Twitter

I am surprised that NY wasn't pursuing this earlier, it makes sense. They were rumored earlier in the year to have some interest in RW3. Wonder if they would trade one oft-injured big man, for another?

Interestingly enough, they are only $533k over 2nd apron, so I think they can aggregate contracts, as long as they end up taking back enough reduced salary to get them under the 2nd apron

RW3\Reath
for
Robinson\Dadiet

This deal would work, Reath could serve as insurance for RW3. Surprisingly Mitchell is only 1yr younger than RW3, both FA after next year, Mitchell makes a little more, both oft-injured however I think RW3 playoff experience\performance would be more valued by NY\Thibodeau. Seeing RW3 in a Knick uniform playing against the Celtics would be a fun watch.

Dadiet is very young\raw, no way he is playing any time soon under Thibodeau, so POR gets a flyer on him. If not Dadiet, it could be for picks instead, though NY would have to throw another contract (Sims\Hukporti\Kolek\Payne\Shamet) if they wanted Reath included or just do the deal straight up RW3\Robinson + whatever draft compensation (NY has (7) 2nd's to trade

[Walton1one]

The Hawks are “actively exploring the trade market” for veteran guard/forward Bogdan Bogdanovic and there are “credible whispers” that he could be dealt prior to the February 6 trade deadline, league sources tell Marc Stein (Substack link).

I am all for this, hope they trade him. With Johnson going down, if they fall to\below the 10 worst records, then POR gets their 2nd round pick (ATL pick protected 31-40). I think this is possible. I could see both SA & Philly (as long as they continue to try for play in) to both pass them by

[tester551]

The Hawks are “actively exploring the trade market” for veteran guard/forward Bogdan Bogdanovic and there are “credible whispers” that he could be dealt prior to the February 6 trade deadline, league sources tell Marc Stein (Substack link).

I am all for this, hope they trade him. With Johnson going down, if they fall to\below the 10 worst records, then POR gets their 2nd round pick (ATL pick protected 31-40). I think this is possible. I could see both SA & Philly (as long as they continue to try for play in) to both pass them by

Spurs have their 25 pick, so Hawks have NO incentive to tank.

[Wizenheimer]

If history is any indication whenever the Blazers made a mid to major move under this gm usually we hear nothing before the fact. Obviously there's discussions going on but we probably won't see anything legit until a deal happens.

not sure about that

there was noise before the 2022 deadline that the Blazers were looking to move several of their veterans (and that the Vulcans were pushing for salary relief). Just didn't have much indication where they'd be headed to. And the Grant-->PDX rumors were persistent for months. There was no surprise at all on that trade after the Blazers built that 20MTPE

the Hart trade may have been a little surprise but there was a lot of speculation about it after Hart talked about how much his wife missed the east coast and family, indicating he's almost certainly opt out of his contract in 5 months

Payton back to the Warriors? I don't remember hearing anything about that but there sure was a lot of criticism of the signing of Payton in the first place. Remember the Toradol!!!

Dame being traded was no surprise; maybe the destination was. And there were rumors about a Nurkic for Ayton swap well before the trade. No surprises there although Portland adding Ayton was surprisingly stupid. But then, it's the Blazers so stupid isn't a surprise

Avdija was a surprise I guess, but Goldblum had said weeks/months before the Blazer were chasing Avdija

I'm expecting nothing from Cronin this trade deadline. So I hope he surprises me

[Walton1one]

The Hawks are “actively exploring the trade market” for veteran guard/forward Bogdan Bogdanovic and there are “credible whispers” that he could be dealt prior to the February 6 trade deadline, league sources tell Marc Stein (Substack link).

I am all for this, hope they trade him. With Johnson going down, if they fall to\below the 10 worst records, then POR gets their 2nd round pick (ATL pick protected 31-40). I think this is possible. I could see both SA & Philly (as long as they continue to try for play in) to both pass them by

Spurs have their 25 pick, so Hawks have NO incentive to tank.

This isn't about them trying to tank, it is pivoting to trade some of their non-core players for future assets. Losing JJ is a big blow. The rumor (Stein) was that PHX could pivot and deal for Bogdanovic, sending back Nurkic and(1) of their 1st's back. I could see ATL look to do that, their 25' 1st is a lost cause anyway, as it is unprotected. I was just commenting that if they continue to struggle or get passed by SA\PHI, then that could bode well for POR getting a decent 2nd round 25' pick.

BTW, ATL is 3-7 in their last 10 games and have lost 6 in a row.

[dckingsfan]

I'm expecting nothing from Cronin this trade deadline. So I hope he surprises me

This.

[DusterBuster]

I'm expecting nothing from Cronin this trade deadline. So I hope he surprises me

Yup

[DusterBuster]

At this rate, I really only see destination one realistic destination option for each of Grant, Simons and Williams.

Only Orlando makes sense for Simons. They need his scoring desperately, they have the contracts to make a deal work that Portland would be ok taking and they have a spare first rounder they can throw in.

Only Houston makes sense for Rob. Ime connection, a metric truckload of FRPs and easy to match expiring salaries.

Only Milwaukee makes sense for Grant. Grant's deal lines up nicely alongside the years of Dame and Giannis have left and even with his down season, he's still miles better than the husk of whatever is left of Kris Middleton. Would be a salary dump and only really has a chance if the Bucks miss out on other bigger fish around the deadline.

[Walton1one]

A source familiar with the situation recently informed me Phoenix has been in trade talks with the Chicago Bulls, Atlanta Hawks, Toronto Raptors, and Washington Wizards related to Nurkic. And all four of these teams as potential destinations makes sense, simply because they are open to taking on his remaining contract in exchange for a future first-round pick.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/evansidery/2025/01/30/phoenix-suns-closing-in-on-trade-involving-jusuf-nurkic/

[DusterBuster]

After seeing Cole Anthony play, I think he would be a deal killer coming back in a Simons to Orlando deal. He's way too reckless and I don't want that on the roster.

If they really want Simons, I would demand Isaac's contract being the salary coming back with a first rounder.

[PDXKnight]

After seeing Cole Anthony play, I think he would be a deal killer coming back in a Simons to Orlando deal. He's way too reckless and I don't want that on the roster.

If they really want Simons, I would demand Isaac's contract being the salary coming back with a first rounder.

Seems like a fair ask to me.

[DusterBuster]

After seeing Cole Anthony play, I think he would be a deal killer coming back in a Simons to Orlando deal. He's way too reckless and I don't want that on the roster.

If they really want Simons, I would demand Isaac's contract being the salary coming back with a first rounder.

Seems like a fair ask to me.

Orlando fans have some weird gauge on how valuable Isaac is from my discussions with them. That's fine, every fanbase has those players that they do that with, but I don't believe their FO would hold that same "clutch this player like precious pearls" like their fans think/say on here.

[Walton1one]

The Pistons are willing to use their $14MM in cap space to help facilitate trades, but they want a first-round pick in return, Scotto notes, adding that several teams looking to unload salaries to escape the luxury tax or the second apron have made calls to Detroit.

Scotto hears that the Suns, Heat and others could have interest in working out a deal for Bogdanovic. Phoenix is reportedly hoping to combine one of its newly acquired first-round picks with Jusuf Nurkic to acquire either a starter or a “high-level” rotation player, and Scotto’s sources say the team considers Bogdanovic to fit that description. He adds that a deal involving Bogdanovic for Nurkic and a pick has been discussed as part of a “larger potential construct.”

Imagine if Cronin had not matched\resigned Thybulle and was sitting on about $15mil of cap space right now. He could take a contract like Nurkic back from PHX, or better yet use that cap space to absorb a contract at the price of a 1st round pick (like DET is allegedly asking for)

[PDXKnight]

After seeing Cole Anthony play, I think he would be a deal killer coming back in a Simons to Orlando deal. He's way too reckless and I don't want that on the roster.

If they really want Simons, I would demand Isaac's contract being the salary coming back with a first rounder.

Seems like a fair ask to me.

Orlando fans have some weird gauge on how valuable Isaac is from my discussions with them. That's fine, every fanbase has those players that they do that with, but I don't believe their FO would hold that same "clutch this player like precious pearls" like their fans think/say on here.

I'd agree. It's a nicely crafted contract no doubt but if they're serious about winning...

[Village Idiot]

Seems like a fair ask to me.

Orlando fans have some weird gauge on how valuable Isaac is from my discussions with them. That's fine, every fanbase has those players that they do that with, but I don't believe their FO would hold that same "clutch this player like precious pearls" like their fans think/say on here.

I'd agree. It's a nicely crafted contract no doubt but if they're serious about winning...

That is my opinion as well. Issac and Orlando's own pick seems like a fair deal. I would be happy to include a third team as Issac is superflous on this roster.

[Pattycakes]

I’m not wasting my time arguing with magic fans about a washed Isaac. Not a hold up