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Scase wrote:For sure, if it's leading to losses I'm not sweating it too much. But if it leads to bad habits in the future that are harder to kick and start impacting us when we need to win, that's a worse spot.
tsherkin wrote:Scase wrote:For sure, if it's leading to losses I'm not sweating it too much. But if it leads to bad habits in the future that are harder to kick and start impacting us when we need to win, that's a worse spot.
I mean, we need to be talented enough to compete for that to matter, so that's a tomorrow problem, know what I mean?
but yeah I'm with you on that.
Vampirate wrote:Today's outing by Barnes by 'box score' was a whole heaping of a meh burger with meh fries.
Scase wrote:tsherkin wrote:Scase wrote:Good point(s), it's likely that it sticks in my mind more seeing him dribble down the court for a pull up ATB 3 with like 10-15s on the clock.
Yeah, as we get into the mid-clock, it starts to change a bit. And yes, I agree with your later point: in an ideal world, he'd be more selective with his overall 3pt shooting.
That said, if he's WIDE open and there isn't a better pass, that's a good shot. Obviously not so much for HIM, but I can understand why he's pulling on a lot of the shots he does take. They're good looks. The defense is GIVING him those looks, of course, but in his head, if he's working on 3pt shooting, it doesn't get a lot better than those. Especially if the coach is supporting the effort.
We definitely would benefit from getting him in the corner more than ATB, though, no doubt. He's not even good from there, he's actually quite bad relative to league averages. His BEST seasons are 36 and 37%, and 38.5% is league average from the corner. But it'd be better than what we're getting now.
Again, context matters. This year, it isn't such a big deal and makes sense to have him let fly. I know HangTIme is somewhere salivating and all like "MRAH, LET HIM SHOOT EVEN THOUGH HE'S WESTBROOK-LEVEL AWFUL" and all that. This year, that makes plenty of sense. But from a winning POV, we can't have him doing that once we flip that switch and start attempting to compete.
Yup, the bad habit bit is my biggest concern, it's a lot easier to give free reign to shoot, than it is to take it away. We definitely want him trying new things, but it needs to be structured, we aren't the 7 seconds or less Suns, we can't just have dude freewheeling out there.
It's not bad in the sense that it's causing us to lose games cause, well, bring em on. But when we do pivot to trying to win, having a 30% 3p shooter just jacking up shots at a moments notice is definitely going to hamper progress.
I have harped on RJ in his respective thread about taking bad shots and how he needs to be more disciplined or put in better spots, and got labelled a "hater", but my criticism is rated E for everyone. Scottie needs to be treated the same way, he's not some offensive savant that should get the benefit of the doubt, he's a limited offensive player that needs to be brought along slowly to improve.
Last year it looked like he had much improved mechanics on his 3 and was hitting them at a really good rate for a couple months, so I had hopes that after a large emphasis being put on his off season work on his 3, that it was that hard work starting to pay off, but it looks more like it was a hot streak. We have seen countless off season workout videos of him splashing 3's like nobodies business, but we've now seen a season and a half of close to 400 attempts and he's hovering around 31%. This isn't improvement, it's a decline at worst, and stagnation at best.
I know progress isn't linear in sports, but there is no reason to believe that he will magically show up to be a league average shooter out of nowhere. We should be seeing at least marginal improvements, not 30%, 28%, 34%, 27%.
links135 wrote:05-06 Suns
ORating : 110.2
Pace: 96.9
TS: 56.8%
24-25 Raps
ORating: 110.2
Pace: 100.2
TS% 56.2%
The game is so different you wouldn't except us to be playing to the same level of offence as the 2000s best offensive team.
links135 wrote:We are LITERALL the 7 seconds or less Suns.
05-06 Suns
ORating : 110.2
Pace: 96.9
TS: 56.8%
24-25 Raps
ORating: 110.2
Pace: 100.2
TS% 56.2%
The game is so different you wouldn't except us to be playing to the same level of offence as the 2000s best offensive team.
tsherkin wrote:links135 wrote:05-06 Suns
ORating : 110.2
Pace: 96.9
TS: 56.8%
24-25 Raps
ORating: 110.2
Pace: 100.2
TS% 56.2%
The game is so different you wouldn't except us to be playing to the same level of offence as the 2000s best offensive team.
League Relative
PHO: 1st in 3PA (25.6), 1st in 3P% (39.9), 1st in pace, 10.2 3PM/g (1st)
TOR: 29th in 3PA (32.6), 20th in 3P% (34.9), 7th in pace, 11.4 3PM/g (29th)
In the rudest sense, our ORTG and efficiency are similar, but we aren't really deviant from the league in the same way. And we are a far worse 3pt shooting team.
Scase wrote:Yeah, that was a horrific comparison.
05-06, Suns had the number 1 offence in the league, 24-25 raps have the 23rd offence in the league, how the hell does anyone look at raw ORTG with no context and come up with this conclusion?
The only thing we have in common is absolutely no plan when the ball is on the court, do that with Steve GD Nash, Amare, and Matrix and you have an offensive juggernaut, you do that with this roster, and you just brought a pool noodle to a gun fight. My lord.
links135 wrote:He may have a shot, if only because Banchero and Embiid have been hurt alot so likely won't make it/not much big man depth/all around stats.
Maybe.
Tripod wrote:NBA Today....Perk had Barnes as one of his 2 wildcard add one for the ASG along with Dame.
The girl....she had Siakam as one of her picks, Ball the other.
I don't think he should make it this year.
XTC wrote:links135 wrote:He may have a shot, if only because Banchero and Embiid have been hurt alot so likely won't make it/not much big man depth/all around stats.
Maybe.
Imagine only being an allstar because you're a replacement... 2 years in a row! I'd take that **** personal.
In 2006 Gilbert was snubbed from the allstar game. Post allstar game he went on a heater averaging 31.1/3.1/6.3 on 47.4/40.8/81.0 shooting splits (TS of 61.17%)
He has not played like an allstar this season, and he shouldn't be selected.
