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"Loved him," Carlisle said when asked by a Chicago reporter about his experience coaching Smith. "He's one of the most wonderful young men I've ever been around. Always in a great mood, high level of skill. He's a great rebounder and he can really shoot the ball and he can block shots. He knows how to play. He's a great teammate. I was really disappointed that we lost him, but I could really see that it was gonna happen. He's just too good."
Smith now finds himself in a similar position on a Bulls team that wants to play the way the Pacers did last year. The Bulls rank fifth in the league in scoring and first in pace and it helps when a team is playing that fast to have a center who can run like Smith can. He's averaging 8.0 points and 5.1 rebounds in 14.8 minutes per game as the backup for starter Nikola Vucevic [as of Dec. 10].
MickeyDavis wrote:Why are we talking about something said in June 2024?
Badgerlander wrote:MickeyDavis wrote:Why are we talking about something said in June 2024?
Because 42 games ago they couldn’t give Lavine away WITH a First round pick. Now we want that albatross?
raferfenix wrote:LaVine + Jalen Smith works in a direct deal for Khris + Bobby + Pat + MarJon (or AJ Johnson) contractually.
On the face of it seems like Jalen would be a great fit as well -- and he's only 24 making ~ $9M per through 2027:"Loved him," Carlisle said when asked by a Chicago reporter about his experience coaching Smith. "He's one of the most wonderful young men I've ever been around. Always in a great mood, high level of skill. He's a great rebounder and he can really shoot the ball and he can block shots. He knows how to play. He's a great teammate. I was really disappointed that we lost him, but I could really see that it was gonna happen. He's just too good."
Smith now finds himself in a similar position on a Bulls team that wants to play the way the Pacers did last year. The Bulls rank fifth in the league in scoring and first in pace and it helps when a team is playing that fast to have a center who can run like Smith can. He's averaging 8.0 points and 5.1 rebounds in 14.8 minutes per game as the backup for starter Nikola Vucevic [as of Dec. 10].
https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2024/12/10/jalen-smith-pacers-bulls-good-terms/76867970007/
tedbrogen wrote:raferfenix wrote:LaVine + Jalen Smith works in a direct deal for Khris + Bobby + Pat + MarJon (or AJ Johnson) contractually.
On the face of it seems like Jalen would be a great fit as well -- and he's only 24 making ~ $9M per through 2027:"Loved him," Carlisle said when asked by a Chicago reporter about his experience coaching Smith. "He's one of the most wonderful young men I've ever been around. Always in a great mood, high level of skill. He's a great rebounder and he can really shoot the ball and he can block shots. He knows how to play. He's a great teammate. I was really disappointed that we lost him, but I could really see that it was gonna happen. He's just too good."
Smith now finds himself in a similar position on a Bulls team that wants to play the way the Pacers did last year. The Bulls rank fifth in the league in scoring and first in pace and it helps when a team is playing that fast to have a center who can run like Smith can. He's averaging 8.0 points and 5.1 rebounds in 14.8 minutes per game as the backup for starter Nikola Vucevic [as of Dec. 10].
https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2024/12/10/jalen-smith-pacers-bulls-good-terms/76867970007/
Someone correct me if I am wrong but the Bucks have to get under the second apron BEFORE they make a trade that combines salaries. The Bulls are over the cap so they can’t take one of the Bucks players for nothing in an initial separate trade. Which is why you first need to unload Pat for nothing on a team with cap space like the Pistons and likely toss them a pick or young player as compensation.
Once Pat is gone, the Bucks still can’t take back too much more than they send out so you need Brook’s salary in the deal (or a third team taking Brook and sending the Bulls someone on a similar contract) to send out enough salary with Midds to take back both Lavine and Jalen Smith.
If the Bulls want Marjon or AJ Johnson as sweetener, they can take have either because the real target here is Smith who seems like a great fit next to Giannis.
The bonus is Bobby has enough trade value and with Jalen Johnson out, I’d assume the Hawks would easily do Portis for Nance straight up.
M-C-G wrote:Currently thinking about players on losing franchises. Pat Williams is a good example, if we brought him into our culture, could that be a massive buy low? I think they’d sell him for expiring or maybe pay us to take him. IF he got it together here, that’s a massive home run if a move.
I’d be thinking long and hard about that. Totally get why the idea would be repulsive to others.
MKE in Williams, Jalen Smith, assets?
CHI (or third team) Middleton
I think that would leave us a Marjon dump away from being under the second apron. And could still use Pat, Bobby, Brook to retool. See if Lopez, filler could get us Isaac. Bobby and Pat and 31 1st to get us a starting center.
Dame, Rollins, AJJ
Green, Trent
Williams, Ajax
Giannis, Jalen Smith
Starter, Isaac
German Athens wrote:tedbrogen wrote:raferfenix wrote:LaVine + Jalen Smith works in a direct deal for Khris + Bobby + Pat + MarJon (or AJ Johnson) contractually.
On the face of it seems like Jalen would be a great fit as well -- and he's only 24 making ~ $9M per through 2027:
https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2024/12/10/jalen-smith-pacers-bulls-good-terms/76867970007/
Someone correct me if I am wrong but the Bucks have to get under the second apron BEFORE they make a trade that combines salaries. The Bulls are over the cap so they can’t take one of the Bucks players for nothing in an initial separate trade. Which is why you first need to unload Pat for nothing on a team with cap space like the Pistons and likely toss them a pick or young player as compensation.
Once Pat is gone, the Bucks still can’t take back too much more than they send out so you need Brook’s salary in the deal (or a third team taking Brook and sending the Bulls someone on a similar contract) to send out enough salary with Midds to take back both Lavine and Jalen Smith.
If the Bulls want Marjon or AJ Johnson as sweetener, they can take have either because the real target here is Smith who seems like a great fit next to Giannis.
The bonus is Bobby has enough trade value and with Jalen Johnson out, I’d assume the Hawks would easily do Portis for Nance straight up.
No, you can aggregate as long as you get below the second apron at the end of the deal. So, all of it can be done in one.
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ShootingtheJ wrote:This team needs more Middleton's, not less.
