Kings trade Fox to Spurs, get LaVine

[reamily]

Does fax will not solve la problems..la is an old team and no one will run the floor with fox.. also all we know what happen if you play lebron with a non shooting guard..

[gottamakeit]

Reaves + Hachimura + Hood Schiaffino + two1sts is the trade that make most sense for both teams.

Lakers go all in replacing Reaves for a true star. They aso have Vanderbilt back to replace Hachimura.

Kings get a reasonable replacement for Fox on a great contract in Reaves, a decent NBA player in Hachi who can start for them, a young prospect, and two very valuable picks.

Who is playing defense on your reconstructed lakers team? They lose good glue guys in Reaves & Hachi.
Lakers don't need another star. They need their stars playing better.

[elchengue20]

Reaves + Hachimura + Hood Schiaffino + two1sts is the trade that make most sense for both teams.

Lakers go all in replacing Reaves for a true star. They aso have Vanderbilt back to replace Hachimura.

Kings get a reasonable replacement for Fox on a great contract in Reaves, a decent NBA player in Hachi who can start for them, a young prospect, and two very valuable picks.

Who is playing defense on your reconstructed lakers team? They lose good glue guys in Reaves & Hachi.
Lakers don't need another star. They need their stars playing better.

Fox is better than Reaves defensively, also Vanderbilt is way better than Hachimura.

The problem with that lineup could be shooting, not defense.

[NYPiston]

My question is, why would any team trade a ton for Fox knowing that he might have a particular destination in mind for FA in 2 years? Is 2 playoff runs with him really worth it the haul that it would take to land him?

[SacTown Kings]

My question is, why would any team trade a ton for Fox knowing that he might have a particular destination in mind for FA in 2 years? Is 2 playoff runs with him really worth it the haul that it would take to land him?

Well 2 playoff runs is still decent amount of time. Lots can happen during that time and I also believe the team he goes to will have his bird rights so even if Fox decides to leave that team in 2 years it would most likely be a sign and trade meaning the team would still get compensation.

[iggymcfrack]

I feel like people are way too low on Fox's value here. Lauri and Siakam on the final trade deadline of their contracts were garnering better offers than many in this thread. Fox's current contract allows for 2 playoff runs. That is major value. You can quibble on Castle, as he has shown promise, but this 1 pick and mediocre non expiring players is insulting. And that said, what percentage chance is there that Castle ends up better than Fox? Seems low to me. You would essentially be saying that he is a perennial top 15 guy to be tangibly better than Fox. Even reaching the same level would be viewed as a real developmental success.

Not a Kings fan by the way.

Are we talking about Fox in the past or Fox in the future? Because he hasn’t been a top 50 player this year. It seems very likely that he’s declining. If Castle has a 20% chance to be a “perennial top 15 player” in the future I’d say Fox has maybe a 2% chance and Castle’s a whole hell of a lot cheaper.

Fox is playing with fractures in both hands and needs surgery. So many conclusions based on assumptions and was also amusing to see guards peak at 23-27

How did you arrive at Fox has a 2% chance to be all nba in the future?

Here’s a study that looked at all players and said peak age is 23-27. Big men tend to peak a little later than guards.

https://digitalcommons.bryant.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1223&context=eeb

Also, I didn’t say he had a 2% chance to be all-NBA. I said he had a 2% chance to be a “perennial top 15 player”. Perennial means consistently year after year. So far he’s made all-NBA once in 8 seasons and is likely exiting his athletic prime while accumulating injuries as you mentioned.

[SacTown Kings]

Are we talking about Fox in the past or Fox in the future? Because he hasn’t been a top 50 player this year. It seems very likely that he’s declining. If Castle has a 20% chance to be a “perennial top 15 player” in the future I’d say Fox has maybe a 2% chance and Castle’s a whole hell of a lot cheaper.

Fox is playing with fractures in both hands and needs surgery. So many conclusions based on assumptions and was also amusing to see guards peak at 23-27

How did you arrive at Fox has a 2% chance to be all nba in the future?

Here’s a study that looked at all players and said peak age is 23-27. Big men tend to peak a little later than guards.

https://digitalcommons.bryant.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1223&context=eeb

Also, I didn’t say he had a 2% chance to be all-NBA. I said he had a 2% chance to be a “perennial top 15 player”. Perennial means consistently year after year. So far he’s made all-NBA once in 8 seasons and is likely exiting his athletic prime while accumulating injuries as you mentioned.

The study you posted says a player is in their prime 27-31.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Why is Fox/Sabonis duo not working? My apology, since I'm not watching Kings games

It works offensively, the problem though is the players around them. Their wings are all wrong, they should have a similar build to the Knicks, with 3 off ball wings that can defend multiple positions and space/cut. Monte McNair prioritized all the wrong things building around them, it's a team with a host of small guards and not a single player over 6'5" that can defend.


Their roster construction should look like ours, the Hawks, Magic or Rockets They needed a bunch of 6'6"+ guys surrounding them.

[sackings916]

Are we talking about Fox in the past or Fox in the future? Because he hasn’t been a top 50 player this year. It seems very likely that he’s declining. If Castle has a 20% chance to be a “perennial top 15 player” in the future I’d say Fox has maybe a 2% chance and Castle’s a whole hell of a lot cheaper.

Fox is playing with fractures in both hands and needs surgery. So many conclusions based on assumptions and was also amusing to see guards peak at 23-27

How did you arrive at Fox has a 2% chance to be all nba in the future?

Here’s a study that looked at all players and said peak age is 23-27. Big men tend to peak a little later than guards.

https://digitalcommons.bryant.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1223&context=eeb

Also, I didn’t say he had a 2% chance to be all-NBA. I said he had a 2% chance to be a “perennial top 15 player”. Perennial means consistently year after year. So far he’s made all-NBA once in 8 seasons and is likely exiting his athletic prime while accumulating injuries as you mentioned.

Athletic decline is based on many factors, and unless we see evidence of a decline of a specific player there’s no way to project a players decline by a specific age. In Fox’s case a hand/finger fracture is not an injury that would generally affect his athleticism long term.

Fox made all NBA the one season the Kings made the playoffs. These accolades usually come with winning, and the Kings have historically been a toxic franchise.

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Hope it happens. But Dame only had one team on his list and Portland said eff that and traded him to Milwaukee and he was a way more important player to their franchise than Fox is to Sacramento.

C'mon Kings, help a small market team out

[phanman]

My question is, why would any team trade a ton for Fox knowing that he might have a particular destination in mind for FA in 2 years? Is 2 playoff runs with him really worth it the haul that it would take to land him?

Players can change their minds depending on their circumstances. Look at what happened with Donovan Mitchell in Cleveland, everybody had him pegged to go to New York and we all seen how that played out. Dame wanted to go to Miami and ended up in Milwaukee who after a rough last season + start to this one, seems quite content now next to Giannis.

Not to mention a significant tax implication. This is a tough sell for Spurs as well IMO.

Spurs are primed with their cap space for 26/27 but with barely anyone on the roster. One is Wemby though so I'm sure they will look very hard at how they spend their cap space. I doubt Fox at 5yrs/300M is top of that list but I'm also very sure that Fox and his agent know that he'll not be getting max years/money from anyone. Spurs will have him for the right price and it'll probably be one of the better destinations for Fox as well. That 3/165 he turned down for Kings he might just take for the Spurs.

When was the last time Pop or the Spurs paid someone max money?

Both Kawhi and LMA in 2015.

[Blame Rasho]

It will be interesting if the Spurs actually break and give up their picks. At some point, you can’t have so many young players. I am not educated on this draft and know how deep it will be, but I didn’t like it when they spurs last drafted 3 players. It likely will happen this year with the Bulls and Hawks with their recent play.

[RIPskaterdude]

Reaves + Hachimura + Hood Schiaffino + two1sts is the trade that make most sense for both teams.

Lakers go all in replacing Reaves for a true star. They aso have Vanderbilt back to replace Hachimura.

Kings get a reasonable replacement for Fox on a great contract in Reaves, a decent NBA player in Hachi who can start for them, a young prospect, and two very valuable picks.

Get out

[ConSarnit]

I feel like people are way too low on Fox's value here. Lauri and Siakam on the final trade deadline of their contracts were garnering better offers than many in this thread. Fox's current contract allows for 2 playoff runs. That is major value. You can quibble on Castle, as he has shown promise, but this 1 pick and mediocre non expiring players is insulting. And that said, what percentage chance is there that Castle ends up better than Fox? Seems low to me. You would essentially be saying that he is a perennial top 15 guy to be tangibly better than Fox. Even reaching the same level would be viewed as a real developmental success.

Not a Kings fan by the way.

Think of it from the Spurs perspective. If the reports are true and Fox has already been planning on moving his family to SA for a while then why am I giving up the farm for him if I’m SA? If Fox is so dead set on SA and the Spurs can sign him as a FA in 2026 why overpay in a trade for a guy you know wants to be there? This is pretty much the same way the Kawhi situation played out with the Clippers except the Spurs won’t have to make a PG trade because they already have the other star (Wemby).

There seems like there is a real chance the Spurs can get Fox for free. If that’s the case why overpay? IMO he’s also not the type of guy a team is really going to regret missing out on if they don’t end up landing him. Fox is the level of player where it might be worth the risk for SAS to take this to free agency and save their assets.

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Hope it happens. But Dame only had one team on his list and Portland said eff that and traded him to Milwaukee and he was a way more important player to their franchise than Fox is to Sacramento.

C'mon Kings, help a small market team out

Unlike Miami, you guys actually have a grab bag of assets. If your front office wants to pay for him they will probably get him.

[sackings916]

I feel like people are way too low on Fox's value here. Lauri and Siakam on the final trade deadline of their contracts were garnering better offers than many in this thread. Fox's current contract allows for 2 playoff runs. That is major value. You can quibble on Castle, as he has shown promise, but this 1 pick and mediocre non expiring players is insulting. And that said, what percentage chance is there that Castle ends up better than Fox? Seems low to me. You would essentially be saying that he is a perennial top 15 guy to be tangibly better than Fox. Even reaching the same level would be viewed as a real developmental success.

Not a Kings fan by the way.

Think of it from the Spurs perspective. If the reports are true and Fox has already been planning on moving his family to SA for a while then why am I giving up the farm for him if I’m SA? If Fox is so dead set on SA and the Spurs can sign him as a FA in 2026 why overpay in a trade for a guy you know wants to be there? This is pretty much the same way the Kawhi situation played out with the Clippers except the Spurs won’t have to make a PG trade because they already have the other star (Wemby).

There seems like there is a real chance the Spurs can get Fox for free. If that’s the case why overpay? IMO he’s also not the type of guy a team is really going to regret missing out on if they don’t end up landing him. Fox is the level of player where it might be worth the risk for SAS to take this to free agency and save their assets.

Because a player of Fox’s caliber is not going to settle for 4/229 in FA when he can get a fifth year at $296. He has to be extended to get the 5th year.

[ConSarnit]

I feel like people are way too low on Fox's value here. Lauri and Siakam on the final trade deadline of their contracts were garnering better offers than many in this thread. Fox's current contract allows for 2 playoff runs. That is major value. You can quibble on Castle, as he has shown promise, but this 1 pick and mediocre non expiring players is insulting. And that said, what percentage chance is there that Castle ends up better than Fox? Seems low to me. You would essentially be saying that he is a perennial top 15 guy to be tangibly better than Fox. Even reaching the same level would be viewed as a real developmental success.

Not a Kings fan by the way.

Think of it from the Spurs perspective. If the reports are true and Fox has already been planning on moving his family to SA for a while then why am I giving up the farm for him if I’m SA? If Fox is so dead set on SA and the Spurs can sign him as a FA in 2026 why overpay in a trade for a guy you know wants to be there? This is pretty much the same way the Kawhi situation played out with the Clippers except the Spurs won’t have to make a PG trade because they already have the other star (Wemby).

There seems like there is a real chance the Spurs can get Fox for free. If that’s the case why overpay? IMO he’s also not the type of guy a team is really going to regret missing out on if they don’t end up landing him. Fox is the level of player where it might be worth the risk for SAS to take this to free agency and save their assets.

Because a player of Fox’s caliber is not going to settle for 4/229 in FA when he can get a fifth year at $296. He has to be extended to get the 5th year.

But how does this make it more appealing to the Spurs? Fox at 30% is already questionable (imo) and now I have to give him a 5th year? Plenty of Fox-level players have had to settle for 4 years. Kawhi, a much higher regarded player didn't get 5 years with his preferred team (LAC).

If the guy is desperate to be in SA why am I so keen on caving to all his demands if I'm the Spurs?

[sackings916]

Think of it from the Spurs perspective. If the reports are true and Fox has already been planning on moving his family to SA for a while then why am I giving up the farm for him if I’m SA? If Fox is so dead set on SA and the Spurs can sign him as a FA in 2026 why overpay in a trade for a guy you know wants to be there? This is pretty much the same way the Kawhi situation played out with the Clippers except the Spurs won’t have to make a PG trade because they already have the other star (Wemby).

There seems like there is a real chance the Spurs can get Fox for free. If that’s the case why overpay? IMO he’s also not the type of guy a team is really going to regret missing out on if they don’t end up landing him. Fox is the level of player where it might be worth the risk for SAS to take this to free agency and save their assets.

Because a player of Fox’s caliber is not going to settle for 4/229 in FA when he can get a fifth year at $296. He has to be extended to get the 5th year.

But how does this make it more appealing to the Spurs? Fox at 30% is already questionable (imo) and now I have to give him a 5th year? Plenty of Fox-level players have had to settle for 4 years. Kawhi, a much higher regarded player didn't get 5 years with his preferred team (LAC).

If the guy is desperate to be in SA why am I so keen on caving to all his demands if I'm the Spurs?

I mean yeah if the Spurs decide they wanna roll the dice and keep their assets and wait for 2026 FA then go for it. I don’t think Fox and Klutch are having that, and if SA is deciding they want Fox and he’s their guy you get him now.

Kawhi not getting the 5th year has everything to do with his knee and health. Fox is 27 with no injury concerns.