Trades and Transactions Thread - 2025 Season Discussion

[KnixinSix]

There are going go be numerous options out there and the trade deadline is essentially a week away. I anticipate by this weekend things will reallly heat up

[j4remi]

Perfect for the 10-15 minutes per night KAT needs to rest.

Steven Adams is averaging 3.5 offensive rebounds in 12.8 minutes off the bench in the month a January, mate. Adams impacts the game on so many levels. For example, his elite screen setting could really open things up for Brunson...

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Same cost as Mitch. I'd do this.

Someone on the coil pitched trying to use Mitch to get Adams and Whitmore...I'd be ecstatic if Rose pulled that off.

[WargamesX]

Perfect for the 10-15 minutes per night KAT needs to rest.

Steven Adams is averaging 3.5 offensive rebounds in 12.8 minutes off the bench in the month a January, mate. Adams impacts the game on so many levels. For example, his elite screen setting could really open things up for Brunson...

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Same cost as Mitch. I'd do this.

That makes sense

[sol537]

Steven Adams is averaging 3.5 offensive rebounds in 12.8 minutes off the bench in the month a January, mate. Adams impacts the game on so many levels. For example, his elite screen setting could really open things up for Brunson...

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Same cost as Mitch. I'd do this.

Someone on the coil pitched trying to use Mitch to get Adams and Whitmore...I'd be ecstatic if Rose pulled that off.

Houston is cooking right now. I don't see them rocking the boat or "helping" the Knicks...

Whitmore is talented but he seems to be pouting and that could disturb chemistry. Vibes are important.

[Polk377]

If the Knicks want a small, low risk trade to get rid of Sims, trade him and a 2nd to Portland for Doup Reath. Long, athletic 3 and D big who I think could fit nicely as the 3rd C once Mitch comes back and a viable backup until then. Portland hasn't used him much this year with the glut of centere they have. Had a nice year last season.

[R-DAWG]

They may not have seen Richards as that elite rim protector. There is mixed reviews on that. Knicks dont really need much except that. Elite rim defense is their only glaring weakness. We can obviously score, we can rebound , we have plenty of personell to defend the perimeter, and 1 on 1 defend. Whats missing the most is elite rim protection and 1 more guy Thibs is willing to play. Ironically that could be Mitch that could address both those needs but the health is just too much a risk.

Enter Isaiah Stewart.....

Isaiah Stewart remains an interesting option since statistically he is one of the better rim protectors in the league. Detroit and our front office seem to be pretty friendly too. Stew is not fitting in quite as well on that Detroit team as he has had in years past so they might want to get out of that contract. He is not a gifted scorer but he isnt Jared Jeffries or Elfrid Payton either and we don't need a gifted scorer.

Stew might be the one to watch.

The biggest challenge with Beef Stew, who I agree would be a strong fit, is making it work with the 2nd apron next year. Stewart makes $2,045,454 more than Mitch next year, which would leave NY $6,923,584 below the 2nd arpon. You would need to round out the roster with 2 vet min guys making $2,100,000 and 2 2nd rd picks making $1,100,000 each. Which would leave only about $500k below the 2nd apron. This analysis includes Hukporti's team option being picked up and Jericho Sims sent to DET to complete the trade this year.

Hard to find other ways to trim salary to open a 3rd vet min slot unless Pacome is traded for a 2nd rd pick who is signed to a traditional contract like Kolek's, which would open up about $800k and a 3rd vet min slot, but leave the team right below the 2nd apron with 14 players on the roster.

Don’t know Stewarts game but I see he is a 6’8” center, 250lbs.
10lbs more than Mitch (was) so I guess he can body big guys like Mitch does?
Mitch much lighter now, so I wonder how that will affect his physical game.

If you move Dadiet, then I’d try hard for Kessler. You can get a first for Dadiet but not sitting on the bench.
He actually looked quite good when he got time. Played under control and within the system… those Euro’s.

You’re not getting a 1st for Dadiet. Call a spade a spade, Dadiet was only a 1st rd pick because he was willing to sign a below slot contact and the Knicks couldn’t dump the pick for a package of 2nds.

In general, once a player is drafted he’s worth less than his draft slot unless his on court performance says otherwise.

I liked what I saw out of Pacome in preseason. He has good size to play both forward spots, solid athleticism and his defense was better than advertised. If he can turn into an average 3 point shooter he has a role off the bench in the league, even if it’s 2 years away. And 6-8 3 and D guys are not a dime a dozen.

But until he performs on court, at least in the g-league, there isn’t a ton of value there

[thebuzzardman]

The biggest challenge with Beef Stew, who I agree would be a strong fit, is making it work with the 2nd apron next year. Stewart makes $2,045,454 more than Mitch next year, which would leave NY $6,923,584 below the 2nd arpon. You would need to round out the roster with 2 vet min guys making $2,100,000 and 2 2nd rd picks making $1,100,000 each. Which would leave only about $500k below the 2nd apron. This analysis includes Hukporti's team option being picked up and Jericho Sims sent to DET to complete the trade this year.

Hard to find other ways to trim salary to open a 3rd vet min slot unless Pacome is traded for a 2nd rd pick who is signed to a traditional contract like Kolek's, which would open up about $800k and a 3rd vet min slot, but leave the team right below the 2nd apron with 14 players on the roster.

Don’t know Stewarts game but I see he is a 6’8” center, 250lbs.
10lbs more than Mitch (was) so I guess he can body big guys like Mitch does?
Mitch much lighter now, so I wonder how that will affect his physical game.

If you move Dadiet, then I’d try hard for Kessler. You can get a first for Dadiet but not sitting on the bench.
He actually looked quite good when he got time. Played under control and within the system… those Euro’s.

You’re not getting a 1st for Dadiet. Call a spade a spade, Dadiet was only a 1st rd pick because he was willing to sign a below slot contact and the Knicks couldn’t dump the pick for a package of 2nds.

In general, once a player is drafted he’s worth less than his draft slot unless his on court performance says otherwise.

I liked what I saw out of Pacome in preseason. He has good size to play both forward spots, solid athleticism and his defense was better than advertised. If he can turn into an average 3 point shooter he has a role off the bench in the league, even if it’s 2 years away. And 6-8 3 and D guys are not a dime a dozen.

But until he performs on court, at least in the g-league, there isn’t a ton of value there

French Knox sucks. Knicks would be lucky to get a low 2nd rounder for him

[Signature NYK]

Sims + Diadiet + 2 2nds for Cam Whitemore

Get Mitch Back have him play backup C for 20-24 min a night


C: KAT/Mitch
PF: OG/Precious
SF: Hart/Whitemore
SG: Mikal/Deuce
PG: Brunson/Payne

Run it

[TheGreenArrow]

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[spree2kawhi]

Honestly, the longer this drags on, the more I like Turner over Kessler. Both would be incredible though and really the best trades I could see us make. It is a long shot, but man this looks good:

Turner
Towns
OG/Hart
Bridges/Hart
Brunson

[Chislic]

Same cost as Mitch. I'd do this.

Someone on the coil pitched trying to use Mitch to get Adams and Whitmore...I'd be ecstatic if Rose pulled that off.

Houston is cooking right now. I don't see them rocking the boat or "helping" the Knicks...

Whitmore is talented but he seems to be pouting and that could disturb chemistry. Vibes are important.

According to Evan Sidery, the Rockets are 1 of 3 teams currently interested in Time Lord. This 3 team trade works. (Spotrac) They could always expand on the deal.

Rockets - Time Lord
Blazers - Mitch
Knicks - Adams

Maybe the Blazers, who are at the bottom of the division, rather have a player who is still rehabbing than a win now player so they continue their tank? Udoka wants his Time Lord. NY wants an impact player who can contribute this season and could fill that Hartenstein role on offense.

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[thebuzzardman]

Knicks are going to shock everyone and trade both Mitch and Sims and wind up with a backup 5 and a wing.

Book it.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Honestly, the longer this drags on, the more I like Turner over Kessler. Both would be incredible though and really the best trades I could see us make. It is a long shot, but man this looks good:

Turner
Towns
OG/Hart
Bridges/Hart
Brunson

We can't afford Turner, he's going to get a new contract. If we traded for him it's a rental.


There's also very little chance the Pacers would trade him in conference, let alone to a rival.

[sol537]

I see us standing pat or a minor move (Sims for bench depth). Vibes are immaculate right now and we have enough to compete with anyone IMO. It's going to come down to health and chemistry once the playoffs start...

[ScienceOfLosing]

The biggest challenge with Beef Stew, who I agree would be a strong fit, is making it work with the 2nd apron next year. Stewart makes $2,045,454 more than Mitch next year, which would leave NY $6,923,584 below the 2nd arpon. You would need to round out the roster with 2 vet min guys making $2,100,000 and 2 2nd rd picks making $1,100,000 each. Which would leave only about $500k below the 2nd apron. This analysis includes Hukporti's team option being picked up and Jericho Sims sent to DET to complete the trade this year.

Hard to find other ways to trim salary to open a 3rd vet min slot unless Pacome is traded for a 2nd rd pick who is signed to a traditional contract like Kolek's, which would open up about $800k and a 3rd vet min slot, but leave the team right below the 2nd apron with 14 players on the roster.

Don’t know Stewarts game but I see he is a 6’8” center, 250lbs.
10lbs more than Mitch (was) so I guess he can body big guys like Mitch does?
Mitch much lighter now, so I wonder how that will affect his physical game.

If you move Dadiet, then I’d try hard for Kessler. You can get a first for Dadiet but not sitting on the bench.
He actually looked quite good when he got time. Played under control and within the system… those Euro’s.

You’re not getting a 1st for Dadiet. Call a spade a spade, Dadiet was only a 1st rd pick because he was willing to sign a below slot contact and the Knicks couldn’t dump the pick for a package of 2nds.

In general, once a player is drafted he’s worth less than his draft slot unless his on court performance says otherwise.

I liked what I saw out of Pacome in preseason. He has good size to play both forward spots, solid athleticism and his defense was better than advertised. If he can turn into an average 3 point shooter he has a role off the bench in the league, even if it’s 2 years away. And 6-8 3 and D guys are not a dime a dozen.

But until he performs on court, at least in the g-league, there isn’t a ton of value there

The discount was just the buyout fee removed.

The Knicks signed first-round draft pick Pacome Dadiet to 80 percent of a standard first-round contract on Thursday after paying $850,000 to Ratiopharm Ulm, Dadiet’s German club, as part of a buyout, per SNY’s Ian Begley.

The deal saves New York roughly $900,000 under the 2024-25 hard cap because the buyout paid overseas doesn’t count towards the team’s salary.

Dadiet is not taking a discount and the contract amount is standard for a first-rounder taken in his spot, however the 25th overall pick is taking 80 percent because of what the Knicks are paying on his buyout.

https://sny.tv/articles/knicks-sign-pacome-dadiet-80-percent-standard-contract

Many saw him as a first round pick.We could have just moved back if we wanted to save money or draft someone overseas and stash them. (Which many thought of Pacom.) So clearly, we like his talent.

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[thebuzzardman]

Going to be Whitmore and Boucher.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Last season Steven Adams was out and got traded for Oladipo and 2 seconds. Mitch is younger than Adams was when he was traded, but his value is probably around 2-3 seconds, translate that into a player.

[SelbyCobra]

More insightful tidbit in that Lavell article:

Another avenue that feels possible as the deadline nears is that the Knicks trade Sims and don’t take back any money. A scenario in which the Knicks trade Sims and a more-favorable second-round pick to another team for a less-favorable second-round pick just to not take money back could be of benefit to New York. Why? Because of the buyout market.

As is the case every year, rotation players on rival teams — some unhappy with their role or direction of their teams down the stretch, or are trade throw-ins just to make money work — become available on the buyout market. Without making a trade by the deadline, the Knicks would have to wait until March 1 to sign a player in order for the prorated veteran minimum to not exceed the hard cap. New York would have the flexibility to sign someone sooner if it shed salary over the next week. The caveat is that the Knicks, as a first-apron team, can’t sign a player on the buyout market who made more than $12.8 million before being bought out.

[SelbyCobra]

Last season Steven Adams was out and got traded for Oladipo and 2 seconds. Mitch is younger than Adams was when he was traded, but his value is probably around 2-3 seconds, translate that into a player.

On the subject of Mitch's value, I thought it was peculiar that Lavell felt the need to insert this in his piece today.

I’m fairly confident that the Knicks and their diminished asset pool won’t attach picks just to move off Robinson.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

Last season Steven Adams was out and got traded for Oladipo and 2 seconds. Mitch is younger than Adams was when he was traded, but his value is probably around 2-3 seconds, translate that into a player.

On the subject of Mitch's value, I thought it was peculiar that Lavell felt the need to insert this in his piece today.

I’m fairly confident that the Knicks and their diminished asset pool won’t attach picks just to move off Robinson.

Attaching picks just to move Mitch would be the dumbest of dumb ideas.