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[BroncoBuck]

Khris has quit on this team.

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To say Khris quit simply because he didn't listen to our clueless medical staff is a joke. He didn't listen to the same people who thought is was a good idea to let Giannis and Dame play through calf injuries just before the playoffs.

The fact that Brian Flanigan and staff didn't get pink slips after last season shows were still not a serious franchise.

We’re 2 months from the playoffs and Khris looks gassed playing 19 minutes of bad defense. I can’t blame the medical staff for that.

[El Pooch Grande]

I would love LaVine if we never traded Jrue. But you know Bucks already traded defence for offence with Lillard and now Jimmy is what they need. Let’s focus on that.

I agree on focusing on dodging a complete and utter cancer.

I can not believe people want Butler here.

I mean, he'd be playing next to Giannis and apparently someone he wanted in Miami in Dame in hopes of winning a Title. And the guy literally still has "Former Marquette Golden Eagle #33" in his social media profiles, so he can't hate Milwaukee that much? I think the risk may be overblown, especially if we promise some sort of short term extension to align with Dame.

[SirChurros]

I'm skeptical Bulls attach a 1st to move LaVine, but if they do, I'm all over that. I understand his defensive concerns, but it would be really nice to have another halfcourt player that can create his own shot and shoot a high percentage from 3, that also isn't 33+ years old. Lillard-Ajax-Lavine-GA-Lopez would be interesting.

I also think Lavine has a much better chance of defending in this system than current Middleton does, just based on age and athleticism.

Lavine doesn't have a single competitive bone is his body, which is why Middleton has always and still is the better defender.

Lavine does not care about winning.

It’s easy to say a guy doesn’t care about winning when he’s played on **** teams his entire career.

[tedbrogen]

I'm skeptical Bulls attach a 1st to move LaVine, but if they do, I'm all over that. I understand his defensive concerns, but it would be really nice to have another halfcourt player that can create his own shot and shoot a high percentage from 3, that also isn't 33+ years old. Lillard-Ajax-Lavine-GA-Lopez would be interesting.

I also think Lavine has a much better chance of defending in this system than current Middleton does, just based on age and athleticism.

Lavine doesn't have a single competitive bone is his body, which is why Middleton has always and still is the better defender.

Lavine does not care about winning.

It’s easy to say a guy doesn’t care about winning when he’s played on **** teams his entire career.

Yep, I probably wouldn’t care about winning if I was on a team like the Bulls as well. It’s clear you’re not playing for a contender. So collect that check.

Has there ever been a team Lavine was on that had the talent to win a playoff series? And if the response is no because Lavine isn’t a guy to be the top dog on a playoff team, that’s not relevant because he’d be third in the pecking order with the Bucks.

If Butler is not an option and the cost is Midds/Bobby, then I actually don’t care about Lavine’s D since he only needs to be as competent as a guy who can’t move laterally and a guy so bad they play zone for most of his minutes.

[jakecronus8]

I see no risk to acquiring Jimmy other than pissing off Giannis. But honestly, if Giannis gets butt hurt over swapping a washed Khris/Bobby who is out the door after the season and a non contributor in Connaughton for an all nba level talent than maybe he’s not the guy we thought he was.

It’s a minor issue, but an issue nonetheless to me that I believe Giannis is too comfortable and needs a shakeup as much as anyone.

[RRyder823]

If Lavine were to end up being the guy brought in wouldn't the best play be to have him come off the bench ala Middleton right now? Would limit the issues on D limiting his time with Dame and give the 2nd unit the boost it would need sans Middleton/Portis

Which the causes the question would paying a 6th man that much be smart and would Lavine be ok with comming off the bench?



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[emunney]

We need to stop quoting and responding to the stuff from 2024 and 2023

It's not irrelevant. They couldn't give him away 7 months ago. Volatility is not an asset.

[Bernman]

We need to stop quoting and responding to the stuff from 2024 and 2023

It's not irrelevant. They couldn't give him away 7 months ago. Volatility is not an asset.

It would be the definition of a buy-high & very likely a bad fit for Milwaukee. If we throw in a 1st, it'd truly be a desperation move.

[raferfenix]

If buying high for LaVine = Khris/Bobby/Pat idk how high that really is for us.

LaVine becomes more tradable the fewer years are left on his contract too.

From that perspective we'd probably test it out for the rest of this season and next -- then he's a big ending contract.

Very much agree if we'd have to trade our 1st it's a radically different situation. If that's at all in the equation I'd want more in addition to a piece like Jalen Smith to account for the disparity in value.

[JayMKE]

I'm skeptical Bulls attach a 1st to move LaVine, but if they do, I'm all over that. I understand his defensive concerns, but it would be really nice to have another halfcourt player that can create his own shot and shoot a high percentage from 3, that also isn't 33+ years old. Lillard-Ajax-Lavine-GA-Lopez would be interesting.

I also think Lavine has a much better chance of defending in this system than current Middleton does, just based on age and athleticism.

Lavine doesn't have a single competitive bone is his body, which is why Middleton has always and still is the better defender.

Lavine does not care about winning.

It’s easy to say a guy doesn’t care about winning when he’s played on **** teams his entire career.

Seems like they were right about Brad Beal

If it walks like a duck, quacks like duck…

[LUKE23]

Again, you're doing the deal to add a .637 TS high volume, good 3 point shooting scorer to the team. Middleton hasn't been able to stay in front of a traffic cone this year. Are we really going to do the "Lavine isn't a defender" thing when we are comparing him to what we have seen from Khris?

This to me is about upgrading our #3 scorer, which to me, is the biggest issue this team has had all season, and what has prevented us from being a legitimate top 5 offense. I don't think swapping Midds and/or Portis/Pat for Lavine is going to make us worse defensively.

[MickeyDavis]

We need to stop quoting and responding to the stuff from 2024 and 2023

It's not irrelevant. They couldn't give him away 7 months ago. Volatility is not an asset.

According to Bobby Marks. He just throws darts hoping to land on something.

[packer396]

If buying high for LaVine = Khris/Bobby/Pat idk how high that really is for us.

LaVine becomes more tradable the fewer years are left on his contract too.

From that perspective we'd probably test it out for the rest of this season and next -- then he's a big ending contract.

Very much agree if we'd have to trade our 1st it's a radically different situation. If that's at all in the equation I'd want more in addition to a piece like Jalen Smith to account for the disparity in value.

I wonder if the bulls would bite at a '31 swap. They can sell it as a "premium asset" but in reality will probably end up being a swap of pick #6 for #15 or something like that.

[pifhluk23]

Some bad takes recently in here.

Every NBA player cares about winning, you don't get this far by not caring. LaVine would definitely care if he was here.

Sign Butler for 2 more years and there won't be any issues. It's nearly a perfect situation for him (other than the weather and city size) As he ages he can pick and choose his spots to take over and be a vocal leader to a team that desperately needs one.

I'd give up the 31 pick for Butler. For LaVine I'd want a big that can play playoff minutes to give up the pick. It's foolish to not trade the pick because you are concerned about the 2032 season though... who cares, win now worry about the rest later.

[FrieAaron]

Again, you're doing the deal to add a .637 TS high volume, good 3 point shooting scorer to the team. Middleton hasn't been able to stay in front of a traffic cone this year. Are we really going to do the "Lavine isn't a defender" thing when we are comparing him to what we have seen from Khris?

This to me is about upgrading our #3 scorer, which to me, is the biggest issue this team has had all season, and what has prevented us from being a legitimate top 5 offense. I don't think swapping Midds and/or Portis/Pat for Lavine is going to make us worse defensively.

To me it's mostly a question of how many additional assets are we getting up for a Khris for Lavine swap, as well as how confident our medical team staff is in his recovery which is impossible for us to know. I still think at or near 100% Khris is not only a better player than Lavine but a better fit. If you doubt it's possible he gets to his postseason form from last year, fine, but he's also traditionally been a slow starter and is only 20 games in for himself with almost 40 to go.

[LUKE23]

Some bad takes recently in here.

Every NBA player cares about winning, you don't get this far by not caring. LaVine would definitely care if he was here.

Sign Butler for 2 more years and there won't be any issues. It's nearly a perfect situation for him (other than the weather and city size) As he ages he can pick and choose his spots to take over and be a vocal leader to a team that desperately needs one.

I'd give up the 31 pick for Butler. For LaVine I'd want a big that can play playoff minutes to give up the pick. It's foolish to not trade the pick because you are concerned about the 2032 season though... who cares, win now worry about the rest later.

Butler is 36 before next season and needs a new deal. No chance I'm giving 2031 1st for him.

[LUKE23]

To me it's mostly a question of how many additional assets are we getting up for a Khris for Lavine swap, as well as how confident our medical team staff is in his recovery which is impossible for us to know. I still think at or near 100% Khris is not only a better player than Lavine but a better fit. If you doubt it's possible he gets to his postseason form from last year, fine, but he's also traditionally been a slow starter and is only 20 games in for himself with almost 40 to go.

No doubt that a healthy Middleton is better player/fit. I have zero confidence we are seeing that guy again, based on what we have seen. I think he's a guy you're going to get a typical offensive Khris game from roughly 1/3 of the time, while also seeing him defend at a lower level than he ever has in his career.

It's a big decision, because it could impact chemistry. But in terms of making this team more dangerous, I'm willing to wager Lavine playing off Dame/GA would be able to create far more offensive problems for playoff defenses, just based on the Khris we have seen this year.

[JayMKE]

I don’t understand the logic of the pro-LaVine people, I know some of them want Beal too which is at least consistent but if you’re smart enough to understand why Beal is a bad fit then how is LaVine any different? It’s mind boogling people are entertaining it. This team isn’t winning **** built like this, I can’t delude myself.

[LUKE23]

I don’t understand the logic of the pro-LaVine people, I know some of them want Beal too which is at least consistent but if you’re smart enough to understand why Beal is a bad fit then how is LaVine any different? It’s mind boogling people are entertaining it. This team isn’t winning **** built like this, I can’t delude myself.

Lavine is a better athlete, better 3-point shooter, and better passer than Beal. More athletic and younger. I get the trepidation about Lavine, but he's easily got Beal beat at this point in their careers.

Unless you feel Lavine is going to be a massive ball hog here, how is he not a good fit offensively? The guy has put up a slightly better pp36, slightly better TS than Dame this year. Moving him to #3 in the pecking order and he should be one of the higher ppg/higher efficiency number 3s in the entire league.

[Turk Nowitzki]

I don’t understand the logic of the pro-LaVine people, I know some of them want Beal too which is at least consistent but if you’re smart enough to understand why Beal is a bad fit then how is LaVine any different? It’s mind boogling people are entertaining it. This team isn’t winning **** built like this, I can’t delude myself.

LaVine has been objectively good at basketball this season. I hope that helps.

I'm not even all aboard the LaVine train, I understand the concerns and his injury history but you also can't pretend like he isn't having an awesome season.