Terry Rozier investigated by the feds for manipulating his performances

[sikma42]

Sports betting has gotten out of control.

The fact it's so mainstream really makes you question the quality of sports.

It’s nuts how casually something so addictive is just being marketing from podcast to games and beyond.

If you like the game, betting makes it less enjoyable. You're rooting for specific events instead of just organically enjoying the experience. Really think we need to get rid of it. Ruining too many lives.

[jowglenn]

To give Rozier the benefit of the doubt, I am reading that he played 10 minutes and left with a sore foot. That doesn't mean he intentionally "threw" the game by faking his injury, nor does it mean he intentionally shared this info with someone so they could bet on it. It's entirely possible that he was suffering this foot injury already and they said "well let's get you out there and see how you feel, if it's sore we'll sit you after a bit of run" and any number of people were privy to that info. Rozier himself, of course, but any number of Heat staff, coaches, doctors, other players might well know that Rozier's foot was iffy and he was unlikely to play more than a short stint in that game. And it is possible that someone, knowing that information, fed it to a gambling cutout. But it's also possible they leaked the information unintentionally, and someone who found it out then used that info to place a bet.

I have to think that a lot of people who are connected to the NBA traffic in this kind of info for gambling purposes, and the players themselves don't even need to be in on it. A team doctor, Rozier's friend, his dog walker, his cousin, any one of them could have been chatting with Rozier and he inadvertently lets slip "yeah my foot is feeling a bit better, gonna try to play tomorrow night but probably won't play the full game, just gotta get in there and see how I feel"

[Zeno]

Anybody else listening to Michael Lewis’ podcast ‘Against the Rules’ The 4th season is about sports gambling. Really interesting listen.

https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/against-the-rules

[JustBuzzin]

Charlotte stand up!


We got a 1st round pick for this guy lol


Tough times for Miami right now.

[BBallFreak]

To give Rozier the benefit of the doubt, I am reading that he played 10 minutes and left with a sore foot. That doesn't mean he intentionally "threw" the game by faking his injury, nor does it mean he intentionally shared this info with someone so they could bet on it. It's entirely possible that he was suffering this foot injury already and they said "well let's get you out there and see how you feel, if it's sore we'll sit you after a bit of run" and any number of people were privy to that info. Rozier himself, of course, but any number of Heat staff, coaches, doctors, other players might well know that Rozier's foot was iffy and he was unlikely to play more than a short stint in that game. And it is possible that someone, knowing that information, fed it to a gambling cutout. But it's also possible they leaked the information unintentionally, and someone who found it out then used that info to place a bet.

I have to think that a lot of people who are connected to the NBA traffic in this kind of info for gambling purposes, and the players themselves don't even need to be in on it. A team doctor, Rozier's friend, his dog walker, his cousin, any one of them could have been chatting with Rozier and he inadvertently lets slip "yeah my foot is feeling a bit better, gonna try to play tomorrow night but probably won't play the full game, just gotta get in there and see how I feel"

He was with Charlotte when this happened, not Miami.

[Hornet Mania]

Sports betting has gotten out of control.

The fact it's so mainstream really makes you question the quality of sports.

Is this a U.S thing because in Europe gambling is quite acceptable, in my country we have 14/15 year olds going to bet for football/soccer games.

And in Europe we've also had plenty of cases of match fixing as a result. The US is just a bit behind, but they are now roughly to the point most of Europe is where gambling is integrated into the sports product directly with multiple ways to bet both online and at the stadium.

Adam Silver also underscored in a recent interview how the NBA assumes betting will be a major outlet for younger viewers to interact with the sport and gain interest in the broadcasts. So your comment about 14/15 year olds is prescient. That will never be legal in the US, not at that age, but the sports leagues know that kids will be doing it under the table or using mom's credit card.

[AleksandarN]

Charlotte stand up!


We got a 1st round pick for this guy lol


Tough times for Miami right now.

You have a woman beater on your team. I would stay quiet

[Hornet Mania]

Charlotte stand up!


We got a 1st round pick for this guy lol


Tough times for Miami right now.

You have a woman beater on your team. I would stay quiet

Cool. Stay quiet then.

Your response really has nothing to do with his post. 'Don't be happy or joke about something because this other thing is bad!'

[Zeno]

Charlotte stand up!


We got a 1st round pick for this guy lol


Tough times for Miami right now.

You have a woman beater on your team. I would stay quiet

I wasn’t a fan of anybody paying him but that is a wholly different matter than a fan enjoying their team making a very good trade.

[magee]

To give Rozier the benefit of the doubt, I am reading that he played 10 minutes and left with a sore foot. That doesn't mean he intentionally "threw" the game by faking his injury, nor does it mean he intentionally shared this info with someone so they could bet on it. It's entirely possible that he was suffering this foot injury already and they said "well let's get you out there and see how you feel, if it's sore we'll sit you after a bit of run" and any number of people were privy to that info. Rozier himself, of course, but any number of Heat staff, coaches, doctors, other players might well know that Rozier's foot was iffy and he was unlikely to play more than a short stint in that game. And it is possible that someone, knowing that information, fed it to a gambling cutout. But it's also possible they leaked the information unintentionally, and someone who found it out then used that info to place a bet.

I have to think that a lot of people who are connected to the NBA traffic in this kind of info for gambling purposes, and the players themselves don't even need to be in on it. A team doctor, Rozier's friend, his dog walker, his cousin, any one of them could have been chatting with Rozier and he inadvertently lets slip "yeah my foot is feeling a bit better, gonna try to play tomorrow night but probably won't play the full game, just gotta get in there and see how I feel"

Which means that if he tipped off the group about his injury, they bet HEAVY on his Unders the game he left. Which is exactly what they're looking at.

[Zeno]

To give Rozier the benefit of the doubt, I am reading that he played 10 minutes and left with a sore foot. That doesn't mean he intentionally "threw" the game by faking his injury, nor does it mean he intentionally shared this info with someone so they could bet on it. It's entirely possible that he was suffering this foot injury already and they said "well let's get you out there and see how you feel, if it's sore we'll sit you after a bit of run" and any number of people were privy to that info. Rozier himself, of course, but any number of Heat staff, coaches, doctors, other players might well know that Rozier's foot was iffy and he was unlikely to play more than a short stint in that game. And it is possible that someone, knowing that information, fed it to a gambling cutout. But it's also possible they leaked the information unintentionally, and someone who found it out then used that info to place a bet.

I have to think that a lot of people who are connected to the NBA traffic in this kind of info for gambling purposes, and the players themselves don't even need to be in on it. A team doctor, Rozier's friend, his dog walker, his cousin, any one of them could have been chatting with Rozier and he inadvertently lets slip "yeah my foot is feeling a bit better, gonna try to play tomorrow night but probably won't play the full game, just gotta get in there and see how I feel"

Which means that if he tipped off the group about his injury, they bet HEAVY on his Unders the game he left. Which is exactly what they're looking at.

Yes but it isn’t on him to sequester himself to protect the betting companies. It is a question of intent.

[AleksandarN]

Charlotte stand up!


We got a 1st round pick for this guy lol


Tough times for Miami right now.

You have a woman beater on your team. I would stay quiet

Cool. Stay quiet then.

Your response really has nothing to do with his post. 'Don't be happy or joke about something because this other thing is bad!'

Him laughing at the Heats expense should be called out compared to what the Hornets are doing. You shouldn’t throw stones when you live in a glass house. Sorry not sorry

[Froob]

It’s always the ones you most suspect

[JustBuzzin]

Charlotte stand up!


We got a 1st round pick for this guy lol


Tough times for Miami right now.

You have a woman beater on your team. I would stay quiet

I want us to trade him. Go to the Hornets board you always seem to think I'm a fan of Bridges.

[JustBuzzin]

Charlotte stand up!


We got a 1st round pick for this guy lol


Tough times for Miami right now.

You have a woman beater on your team. I would stay quiet

Cool. Stay quiet then.

Your response really has nothing to do with his post. 'Don't be happy or joke about something because this other thing is bad!'

He loves making fun of me. It's a friendly little trash talk we have every now and then.

[magee]

Yes but it isn’t on him to sequester himself to protect the betting companies. It is a question of intent.

Oh I know. And the intent is the key. As well as if anyone connected to him had any money wired to them by* the gambling conglomerate.

*Edited for correct wording.

[JustBuzzin]

You have a woman beater on your team. I would stay quiet

Cool. Stay quiet then.

Your response really has nothing to do with his post. 'Don't be happy or joke about something because this other thing is bad!'

Him laughing at the Heats expense should be called out compared to what the Hornets are doing. You shouldn’t throw stones when you live in a glass house. Sorry not sorry

You have your own problems buddy. We headed towards a top 3 pick hopefully. You guys better get Lavine or Butler because that roster is not good enough to win the West.

Tell Jokic brothers I said hi.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Charlotte stand up!


We got a 1st round pick for this guy lol


Tough times for Miami right now.

The hits keep coming for Miami

No Heat fan would argue Charlotte won that trade, but you’re not paying attention if you think this coming to light is damaging Miami. He’s a net negative that still plays 30+ minutes a night, if this gets him off the floor it’s a win in every Heat fans books, even bigger if it somehow allows them out of his contract, and the allegations come from while he was with Charlotte anyways.

This like the Butler thing, is bigger than one team or player anyways. The real black mark here is on the NBA, if this is true, this is just the tip of the iceberg.

[Sofia]

Just the beginning of this ****, we’re going to see exactly why all this became illegal in the first place

I agree.


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[reddyplayerone]

Yes but it isn’t on him to sequester himself to protect the betting companies. It is a question of intent.

Oh I know. And the intent is the key. As well as if anyone connected to him had any money wired to them by* the gambling conglomerate.

*Edited for correct wording.

I think this is where I'm at with this at least right now:

Regardless of this specific instance and Rozier's culpability, did we collectively eff up and effectively create a world in which a professional athlete has to be discreet about possible injuries and whatnot with even members of their own family?

Idk I guess that's always been the case to an extent. It's not like sports gambling is new really, but this level of pervasiveness is, and I wouldn't really blame anyone for not having caught up to that reality or for not really knowing where all the lines may be in this new world.

But it seems like this puts athletes in a really weird place