Around The NBA : 2023-24 Season #3

Muzbar · Post #1461 » by **Muzbar** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 4:43 am

Repeat 3-peat wrote:Wemby is amazing but I don't believe it's time for the Spurs to start cashing in assets. They should stay patient in terms of team building with their picks and wait for a bigger name.

Agreed, spend this season and may next developing the guys they have. They've got 2 picks (potentially 3) in the upcoming draft. Build a foundation and then look at bringing in some complimentary pieces.

WesPeace · Post #1462 » by **WesPeace** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 5:14 am

Muzbar wrote:
Repeat 3-peat wrote:Wemby is amazing but I don't believe it's time for the Spurs to start cashing in assets. They should stay patient in terms of team building with their picks and wait for a bigger name.

Agreed, spend this season and may next developing the guys they have. They've got 2 picks (potentially 3) in the upcoming draft. Build a foundation and then look at bringing in some complimentary pieces.

Yeah, Castle Wemby could be very good combo in next years.. they might regret swapping Castle for Fox in trade

Dan Z · Post #1463 » by **Dan Z** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 6:25 am

Daniel Gafford today: 22 points, 12 rebounds, 3 assists and 4 blocks.

Muzbar · Post #1464 » by **Muzbar** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 6:25 am

Dan Z wrote:Daniel Gafford today: 22 points, 12 rebounds, 3 assists and 4 blocks.

Sure would be good to have a guy like that...

Dan Z · Post #1465 » by **Dan Z** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 7:25 am

Muzbar wrote:
Dan Z wrote:Daniel Gafford today: 22 points, 12 rebounds, 3 assists and 4 blocks.

Sure would be good to have a guy like that...

I just looked up the Gafford trade and forgot that he was traded the same day the Bulls got Vucevic. The Vucevic trade really changed everything.

Post #1466 » by **DuckIII** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 3:11 pm

Repeat 3-peat wrote:Wemby is amazing but I don't believe it's time for the Spurs to start cashing in assets. They should stay patient in terms of team building with their picks and wait for a bigger name.

They will be patient. But Fox is perfect there. There’s a reason he’s the only guy there has been any smoke about SA trying to acquire. He’s only 27 and an elite defender. And they don’t need a pass first PG because the O will run through Wemby.

Bear in mind the Spurs have made moves (see draft day Minny trade) to facilitate two dynasty runs for Wemby. They will do one relatively soon, not necessarily this trade deadline, and are structuring it to have the assets to reload in 5 years.

From what I have seen so far SA is handling things like the genius organization they have been for the last 30 years.

2weekswithpay · Post #1467 » by **2weekswithpay** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 7:27 pm

Read on Twitter

othawhitemeat · Post #1468 » by **othawhitemeat** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 8:14 pm

2weekswithpay wrote:

Read on Twitter

Uh oh

Post #1469 » by **HomoSapien** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 8:35 pm

Honestly, what was Silver expecting when gambling got intertwined with the NBA?

Post #1470 » by **DuckIII** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 9:33 pm

HomoSapien wrote:Honestly, what was Silver expecting when gambling got intertwined with the NBA?

I’m sure he knew this would happen to some extent. It’s really not on Silver at all. It’s on the actual criminals.

League Circles · Post #1471 » by **League Circles** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 9:37 pm

2weekswithpay wrote:

Read on Twitter

I feel like this is just a super creative way for Rozier's agent to explain how bad he sucks in a way that reflects more positively on him lol.

Dan Z · Post #1472 » by **Dan Z** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:06 pm

DuckIII wrote:
HomoSapien wrote:Honestly, what was Silver expecting when gambling got intertwined with the NBA?

I’m sure he knew this would happen to some extent. It’s really not on Silver at all. It’s on the actual criminals.

I agree, but gambling is heavily advertised with professional sports. Maybe Silver should've made a mandatory course on gambling for the players? Or something similar...? I say that, but my guess is it would only do so much.

Post #1473 » by **DuckIII** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:29 pm

Dan Z wrote:
DuckIII wrote:
HomoSapien wrote:Honestly, what was Silver expecting when gambling got intertwined with the NBA?

I’m sure he knew this would happen to some extent. It’s really not on Silver at all. It’s on the actual criminals.

I agree, but gambling is heavily advertised with professional sports. Maybe Silver should've made a mandatory course on gambling for the players? Or something similar...? I say that, but my guess is it would only do so much.

The NBA has always led the way with educating its players on the pitfalls of being a pro, and in today’s climate there is no way they did not inundate the players with materials and education regarding gambling on their own sport.

This is only on the players who do it.

MrSparkle · Post #1474 » by **MrSparkle** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:30 pm

Surprise surprise...

I want to know how much more money the league has made since 2018. I'm sure it brought more interest... For reasons other than the love of the game.

TBF it wasn't really the NBA's fault (or maybe they lobbied in favor of the decision- I don't know). But they happily take the draftking/fanduel sponsorships.

But hey, decentralized-centralized crypto, mega-tech and big WH have all arrived. Guess we better get used wild financial fluctuations, exponential capital gains for the big boys, open-face betting and white-collar lawlessness.

Except of course the league is going to have to come down hard on the black guy for making a stupid decision. Some how we're supposed to trust that no other entities in the giant chain of this algorithmic sports betting is guilty of shady influence on the results of games.

kodo · Post #1475 » by **kodo** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:42 pm

WSJ:

The game in question took place on March 23, 2023, when Rozier was a member of the Charlotte Hornets. The betting on Rozier was strange enough that day to raise alarms at U.S. Integrity, a firm that works with sports entities, gambling operators and government agencies to monitor betting markets for suspicious activity.

U.S. Integrity notified sportsbooks—and the NBA—that unusual wagers were coming in on Rozier failing to meet certain statistical benchmarks, such as the total number of points or rebounds he would record in the game. Some of the sportsbooks stopped accepting bets on Rozier’s stats that day, people familiar with the matter said.

Rozier boxscore on March 23, 2023:
- 5 points 2 assists 4 rebounds

Rozier season average
- 23 points 6.6 assist 4 rebounds

This was so blatant it was easily flagged. I'm sure there are tons of players being more subtle and getting away with it.
To think that gambling isn't going to affect players is about as naive to think there are no PEDs in pro sports.

drosestruts · Post #1476 » by **drosestruts** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 11:40 pm

I'm team Spurs should trade for Fox.

Sure they have Castle and picks, but none of those come with guarantees.

Wemby is insanely good and effective for a second year player.

His frame also terrifies me. Look no further than Joel Embiid, a big man that's missed over 40% of his game in his career.

I think waiting and patience is overvalued, and border line irresponsible when you have a player as good as Wemby already is right now.

Fox is giving you 25, 5, and 6 on 56% TS%

Castle is at 12, 2.5, and 3.5 on 49% TS%

I like Castle as a prospect, but he's years away from being as good and impactful as Fox.

The Spurs have their centerpiece. Why wait?

Dan Z · Post #1477 » by **Dan Z** » Fri Jan 31, 2025 12:35 am

drosestruts wrote:I'm team Spurs should trade for Fox.

Sure they have Castle and picks, but none of those come with guarantees.

Wemby is insanely good and effective for a second year player.

His frame also terrifies me. Look no further than Joel Embiid, a big man that's missed over 40% of his game in his career.

I think waiting and patience is overvalued, and border line irresponsible when you have a player as good as Wemby already is right now.

Fox is giving you 25, 5, and 6 on 56% TS%

Castle is at 12, 2.5, and 3.5 on 49% TS%

I like Castle as a prospect, but he's years away from being as good and impactful as Fox.

The Spurs have their centerpiece. Why wait?

It depends on the cost. Why not try to keep Castle and get Fox? If the Kings want too much for him then I think the Spurs should pass.

2weekswithpay · Post #1478 » by **2weekswithpay** » Fri Jan 31, 2025 1:03 am

drosestruts wrote:I'm team Spurs should trade for Fox.

Sure they have Castle and picks, but none of those come with guarantees.

Wemby is insanely good and effective for a second year player.

His frame also terrifies me. Look no further than Joel Embiid, a big man that's missed over 40% of his game in his career.

I think waiting and patience is overvalued, and border line irresponsible when you have a player as good as Wemby already is right now.

Fox is giving you 25, 5, and 6 on 56% TS%

Castle is at 12, 2.5, and 3.5 on 49% TS%

I like Castle as a prospect, but he's years away from being as good and impactful as Fox.

The Spurs have their centerpiece. Why wait?

They're in a great position for negotiations. Fox has already hinted that he only wants to go to San Antonio. They'll have the most cap space in the summer of 2027 when Fox becomes a free agent and they'll have enough money to give him a max contract if he doesn't sign an extension. The Spurs have enough assets to outbid most teams without including Castle. So until there's another potential trade suitor that can threaten them, they have the upper hand.

I agree with what you said though. I don't think they should be overly attached to Castle but most teams overvalue their young guys.

2weekswithpay · Post #1479 » by **2weekswithpay** » Fri Jan 31, 2025 1:05 am

Dan Z wrote:
It depends on the cost. Why not try to keep Castle and get Fox? If the Kings want too much for him then I think the Spurs should pass.

I don't think Castle and Fox is a viable backcourt pairing with how bad of a shooter Castle is. If trading Castle lets them keep another pick or two, I say do it.

Dan Z · Post #1480 » by **Dan Z** » Fri Jan 31, 2025 1:08 am

2weekswithpay wrote:
Dan Z wrote:
It depends on the cost. Why not try to keep Castle and get Fox? If the Kings want too much for him then I think the Spurs should pass.

I don't think Castle and Fox is a viable backcourt pairing with how bad of a shooter Castle is. If trading Castle lets them keep another pick or two, I say do it.

It's his rookie year and his shot should improve. He has potential.

How far does Wemby and Fox go if they gut their team (and give picks)?