Game 46: Kings @ sixers 1/29 730p

[Ferry Avenue]

I hope Drummond never suits up again. The pace of play is so much better with Bona or Yabu than him on the court

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Embiid recruited Drummond

That'll happen on any team that's organized around the position of center.

If an NFL offense was organized around the position of running back (instead of quarterback) and brought in its backup running back to replace Saquon Barkley for example, how well do you figure the offense would play under those conditions?

The issue is that the team is organized around a center. That doesn't happen in the contemporary NBA unless that center is Jokic and has his unique passing ability and court awareness/IQ.

Why do you figure EVERY backup center who's brought in here shows the same problem? Drummond was the target this offseason -- now he's just doing what every other backup center has done (poorly) during the Embiid era.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I hope Drummond never suits up again. The pace of play is so much better with Bona or Yabu than him on the court

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Embiid recruited Drummond

That'll happen on any team that's organized around the position of center.

If an NFL offense was organized around the position of running back (instead of quarterback) and brought in its backup running back to replace Saquon Barkley for example, how well do you figure the offense would play under those conditions?

The issue is that the team is organized around a center. That doesn't happen in the contemporary NBA unless that center is Jokic and has his unique passing ability and court awareness/IQ.

Why do you figure EVERY backup center who's brought in here shows the same problem? Drummond was the target this offseason -- now he's just doing what every other backup center has done (poorly) during the Embiid era.

This isn't the NFL.

[Mik317]

the whole running back angle kinda has taken a hit with Barkley's addition taking the Eagles back to the Super Bowl lol. Goes to show that sometimes generational talents can allow you to build teams against the grain.

Drummond fails because he is bad. His rebounding has fallen off and thus he no longer has any real value on the court as he isn't a great paint protector and doesn't have to be guarded on rolls and we don;t throw lobs. Meanwhile Yabu who isn't a great rim protector DOES have to be guarded on rolls, can also space the floor, and is a good rebounder and sneaky passer. BBall was the best backup because his energy on the boards and rolling was enough (Harden also elevated him a lot...as such he fell off the next year). Yes the backup is not going to be good as the starter...no **** sherlock...he just can't be literally unplayable either.

[Negrodamus]

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I'm just saying, something can be done with his contract so affordable to move him here and we have our merry group of career losers for the next 3-4 years.

[the_process]

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I'm just saying, something can be done with his contract so affordable to move him here and we have our merry group of career losers for the next 3-4 years.

[Jailblazers7]

Every backup center has struggled in Philly because they’ve all been bad players. We keep asking guys that are under 7 feet tall with no hops to be our backup center & it never works.

[Arsenal]

Every backup center has struggled in Philly because they’ve all been bad players. We keep asking guys that are under 7 feet tall with no hops to be our backup center & it never works.

Just commit to Bona as the backup already. He's been good enough assuming Embiid ever comes back.

[Ferry Avenue]

Drummond fails because he is bad.

Every backup center is bad, or he'd be a starting center.

The reason the offense -- not Drummond himself -- plays poorly when Drummond is in the game is because the offense is organized around the center position.

[Sportfan73]

Drummond fails because he is bad.

Every backup center is bad, or he'd be a starting center.

The reason the offense -- not Drummond himself -- plays poorly when Drummond is in the game is because the offense is organized around the center position.

Drummond has a real argument as the worst rotation player in the entire NBA this year. And it has absolutely zero to do with what you are talking about

[Jailblazers7]

Drummond fails because he is bad.

Every backup center is bad, or he'd be a starting center.

The reason the offense -- not Drummond himself -- plays poorly when Drummond is in the game is because the offense is organized around the center position.

Do you really watch these games & see the same offense with Drummond in vs. Embiid? Did I miss us giving the ball to Drummond at the top of the key to run isos & DHOs?

[Ferry Avenue]

Drummond fails because he is bad.

Every backup center is bad, or he'd be a starting center.

The reason the offense -- not Drummond himself -- plays poorly when Drummond is in the game is because the offense is organized around the center position.

Do you really watch these games & see the same offense with Drummond in vs. Embiid? Did I miss us giving the ball to Drummond at the top of the key to run isos & DHOs?

You’re illustrating the problem precisely — the offense can’t do what it customarily does, a center-oriented offense, when Drummond is in the game. But nobody else in the league has to adjust from what they customarily do to something completely different when their starting center isn’t on the floor. Only the Sixers are running this antiquated center-oriented nonsense and having to make quite the adjustment when their starting center isn’t on the floor.

[Jailblazers7]

Every backup center is bad, or he'd be a starting center.

The reason the offense -- not Drummond himself -- plays poorly when Drummond is in the game is because the offense is organized around the center position.

Do you really watch these games & see the same offense with Drummond in vs. Embiid? Did I miss us giving the ball to Drummond at the top of the key to run isos & DHOs?

You’re illustrating the problem precisely — the offense can’t do what it customarily does, a center-oriented offense, when Drummond is in the game. But nobody else in the league has to adjust from what they customarily do to something completely different when their starting center isn’t on the floor. Only the Sixers are running this antiquated center-oriented nonsense and having to make quite the adjustment when their starting center isn’t on the floor.

But other teams do have to adjust their offense when their star PG, SG, etc is off the floor. Dallas can’t run the same offense without Luka. GS can’t run the same offense without Steph.

Look at what we’re doing now with Yabu. We are running an effective pace & space lineup without Embiid because we have a small ball 5 that is actually good at the sport of basketball.

[Ferry Avenue]

Do you really watch these games & see the same offense with Drummond in vs. Embiid? Did I miss us giving the ball to Drummond at the top of the key to run isos & DHOs?

You’re illustrating the problem precisely — the offense can’t do what it customarily does, a center-oriented offense, when Drummond is in the game. But nobody else in the league has to adjust from what they customarily do to something completely different when their starting center isn’t on the floor. Only the Sixers are running this antiquated center-oriented nonsense and having to make quite the adjustment when their starting center isn’t on the floor.

But other teams do have to adjust their offense when their star PG, SG, etc is off the floor. Dallas can’t run the same offense without Luka. GS can’t run the same offense without Steph.

Look at what we’re doing now with Yabu. We are running an effective pace & space lineup without Embiid because we have a small ball 5 that is actually good at the sport of basketball.

Other teams can still run an offense in which the emphasis is on three-point shooting and dribble penetration from the arc -- i.e., the modern-day NBA -- when their stars are off the floor. Only the Sixers are running a paint-oriented offense organized around a traditional (i.e., non-Jokic) center. Drummond isn't skilled enough to fit with that (nor is any other backup traditional center in the league), and so when the team brings him on the court he's nothing but dead weight in an offense that suddenly tries to move from paint-centered to arc-centered. The remedy as you point out is to bring in a non-traditional 5. But the effectiveness of that approach is also an argument for not having Embiid.