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2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#261 » by lilfishi22 » Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:45 am

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I just recently was having such a discussion on this with someone on this board! And ironically regarding the same points being made here by others. If giving up one of our very last remaining assets, why do it for positional redundancy? Why not actually look to address positions of need over positions we already have very expensive depth at? These decisions are looking more and more asinine cumulatively as wee go forward!


And I said for Allen and a 1st, it wasn't worth it .

If you can get a deal done while dropping a negative asset in Nurk, that is very clearly a different deal from trading a positive asset in Allen.


But moving Nurkic at the expense of dumping one of our very few remaining firsts isn't even necessary! He'd have value as an expiring this summer! You're necessarily giving up assets to move a player you weren't even playing anyways, and for another overpaid player who's dramatically underperforming and is redundant at that position already! It's an egregious waste of our already very limited assets for a player that is not at all a need for us!

At least with my trade proposal, it's reducing further redundancy, reducing long-term term cost commitment, AND adding size, frontcourt floor spacing, and versatility that we currently do not have with any of Richards, Plumlee, or Ighodaro all not being able to space the floor, etc. And adding significant rebounding, defense, and transition scoring/playmaking potency too with Mogbo!
(As indicated by the links/tweets/ articles that I shared with you in our discussion. Easily a much better value cumulative return than dumping a 1st to swap a soon-to-be expiring for another shooting guard who's making big money, but also can't even shoot which his entire value is predicated upon!

You're dumping value just to add redundancy while not at all fixing or addressing our very obvious issues in the process. So regardless of your subjective assessment of value, this trade is significantly worse for a number of reasons that I mentioned above!

If surrendering a 1st, there are easily much better and more logical Nurkic trades than this that would at least address some critical needs which my proposal said from your individual value assessment still obviously does by comparison man. :D

Maybe you're confusing my point. I said I'm very supportive of a Nurk + 1st for Olynynk plus whatever asset. What I'm NOT good with is your previous suggestion of Grayson Allen plus a 1st for Olynyk, Mogobo and some 2nd.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#262 » by Qwigglez » Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:48 am

Four-team trade:

Suns get:
Jimmy Butler

Kings get:
Beal
CP3
Castle
Picks from Spurs

Heat get:
Kevin Huerter
Zach Collins
Trey Lyles
McDermott (salary matching purposes)
Picks from Suns

Spurs get:
De'Aaron Fox

CP3 gets bought out, joins the Lakers (probably). Kings can still compete with Sabonis, DeRozan, Castle, Beal, Murray, and Monk.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#263 » by Frank Lee » Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:50 am

We could randomly pick 4 dudes from this site, and they would outshoot the Suns four bigs.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#264 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:50 am

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#265 » by Sunsdeuce » Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:54 am

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Or maybe Booker, you ain’t performing at an All-Star level. Maybe just maybe, the league doesn’t view you any more than a Gilbert Arenas.

I hate how Booker doesn’t say, there are a lot of good players in this league and I have to play at another level if I expect to be selected.

Booker is becoming very entitled and I’m becoming very disenchanted with him and his attitude.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#266 » by SunsRback4Good » Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:55 am

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F***** Booker! Just shows he cares more about some silly all star game than winning. I’ve lost more respect for him he’s getting on my last nerves. Hopefully, he’s traded within the next few years. He has zero winning mentality and will just drag us down.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#267 » by handsome salary » Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:58 am

Watching Houston and Memphis play quick and up and down basketball. Very refreshing from the plodding and ISO Suns style. The Suns play like dial up and crap their pants at teams playing at 5G. Watching players make their moves in less than 7 seconds.

I know folks love to talk about how playoff basketball slows down but when its so boringly predictable as the Suns are during the regular season it's easy to game play for as we saw last year. 0-4 and go home.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#268 » by handsome salary » Fri Jan 31, 2025 3:03 am

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A typical injury all star reserve on a play in team complaining? Great.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#269 » by Sunsdeuce » Fri Jan 31, 2025 3:04 am

I’m officially on the TRADE BOOKER train. We ain’t winning a title with Booker. To quote Stone cold Steve Austin, AND That’s the bottomline!
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#270 » by BobbieL » Fri Jan 31, 2025 3:04 am

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Or maybe Booker, you ain’t performing at an All-Star level. Maybe just maybe, the league doesn’t view you any more than a Gilbert Arenas.

I hate how Booker doesn’t says, there are a lot of good players in this league and I have to play at another level if I expect to be selected.

Booker is becoming very entitled and I’m becoming very disenchanted this him and his attitude.


Booker and KD are the problems..
Empty stats
Not winners
Time to move on from them
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#271 » by Sunsdeuce » Fri Jan 31, 2025 3:06 am

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Or maybe Booker, you ain’t performing at an All-Star level. Maybe just maybe, the league doesn’t view you any more than a Gilbert Arenas.

I hate how Booker doesn’t say, there are a lot of good players in this league and I have to play at another level if I expect to be selected.

Booker is becoming very entitled and I’m becoming very disenchanted with him and his attitude.


Booker and KD are the problems..
Empty stats
Not winners
Time to move on from them

You sir are correct! As if we needed anymore evidence to prove what you just said right, Booker lays it out for the world to sees. He just isn’t a winner.

Booker only cares about Booker and Bookers stats. Booker has a loser mentality!
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#272 » by TeamTragic » Fri Jan 31, 2025 3:07 am

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Booker: I guess it pays well

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#273 » by Sunsdeuce » Fri Jan 31, 2025 3:13 am

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Booker: I guess it pays well

:lol: :lol: :lol:


Bookers suns legacy is just scoring. Not defense, not making the team better. Not rebounding. Not being a community icon in Phx. Not assists. Not triple doubles. JUST POINTS. Yeah he’s gonna get the Suns scoring record but he is not even in my top ten all time Suns. Bookers legacy will just be a points stat stuffer.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#274 » by lilfishi22 » Fri Jan 31, 2025 3:14 am

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#275 » by Frank Lee » Fri Jan 31, 2025 3:14 am

Book just stfu…. Sourgraping will not change this season.

Somebody needs to ask him Who exactly should sit so that he makes it?

He’s burning out with this team. I’m sure he had very high hopes….and can see the ground through the clouds.

he, like many here, is not having any fun with this team
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#276 » by BobbieL » Fri Jan 31, 2025 3:19 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:
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Sunsdeuce wrote:Or maybe Booker, you ain’t performing at an All-Star level. Maybe just maybe, the league doesn’t view you any more than a Gilbert Arenas.

I hate how Booker doesn’t say, there are a lot of good players in this league and I have to play at another level if I expect to be selected.

Booker is becoming very entitled and I’m becoming very disenchanted with him and his attitude.


Booker and KD are the problems..
Empty stats
Not winners
Time to move on from them

You sir are correct! As if we needed anymore evidence to prove what you just said right, Booker lays it out for the world to sees. He just isn’t a winner.

Booker only cares about Booker and Bookers stats. Booker has a loser mentality!


If they get Butler - it will be like 170m of empty stats …


It’s time ….blow it up
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#277 » by TeamTragic » Fri Jan 31, 2025 3:20 am

Booker and KD deserve to compete for a championship. I think maybe we need to turn the corner.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#278 » by handsome salary » Fri Jan 31, 2025 3:27 am

Suns are old and slow. Not looking to do anything else except double down by getting older and slower.

Booker was given top teams for seasons and choked.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#279 » by BobbieL » Fri Jan 31, 2025 3:28 am

TeamTragic wrote:Booker and KD deserve to compete for a championship. I think maybe we need to turn the corner.



Booker to Houston

Durant to OKC

Jones to wherever

Allen Nurk and O’Neal for whatever

Beal will probably waive his NTC to the Bucks or bulls

I get it’s never happening
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#280 » by bullsaficianado » Fri Jan 31, 2025 3:28 am

Qwigglez wrote:Four-team trade:

Suns get:
Jimmy Butler

Kings get:
Beal
CP3
Castle
Picks from Spurs

Heat get:
Kevin Huerter
Zach Collins
Trey Lyles
McDermott (salary matching purposes)
Picks from Suns

Spurs get:
De'Aaron Fox

CP3 gets bought out, joins the Lakers (probably). Kings can still compete with Sabonis, DeRozan, Castle, Beal, Murray, and Monk.


I doubt the Spurs would want to give up Castle and CP3 to get Fox but maybe. Would Beal even waive his NTC to go to Kings?

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