Another dive, another injury (Jaden Ivey suffers broken fibula)

[ForeverTFC]

For the life of me i just dont understand why people dont take this more seriously? Its an insanely reckless play to dive at someone's ankles. enough is enough with this ****.

It's because you're making a false claim: Anthony never dove at Ivey's ankles. There are multiple videos and screen grabs in this thread that show a 50/50 ball with both players moving toward the ball. Neither had position.

The only way to regulate this is to make diving for the ball illegal. Is that your position?

Were you upset at Lin when he did this?

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Me being a laker fan means obviously I believe no Laker player has ever done wrong at any time ever.... for all of eternity. Bro, the **** you mean was I upset? lol. If my Laker bias had anything to do with this why would I be chiming in about a situation involving Orlando and Detroit? So uh... yes... any time a Laker player has done this I've been equally against it, and will continue to be. I guess that was a fun imaginary game of gotcha though...

I dont think diving for a ball should be illegal outright. I think it should be illegal to do so within a reasonable distance of another upright player. There are situations where diving for a ball is not putting other players at risk of a serious injury. This is clearly not an example of that.

But what you're asking for won't work. It's completely up for interpretation and the real time actions of the players on the court. What if there is a loose ball with 2 players going for it? Should both stop, expecting the other may get there upright? What if one stops short and the other dives and is rewarded? Will the player that stopped short stop short again?

The only way you can make take this out of the game is to make diving illegal. Again, diving into someone's legs is already a foul. In this situation, Anthony did not dive into Ivey's legs. It was a 50/50 loose ball with both players on the same side of the ball coming from either direction. If that's your position, that's fine. But you can't stop at this grey area you seem to be advocating for.

[The Real Dalic]

Me being a laker fan means obviously I believe no Laker player has ever done wrong at any time ever.... for all of eternity. Bro, the **** you mean was I upset? lol. If my Laker bias had anything to do with this why would I be chiming in about a situation involving Orlando and Detroit? So uh... yes... any time a Laker player has done this I've been equally against it, and will continue to be. I guess that was a fun imaginary game of gotcha though...

I dont think diving for a ball should be illegal outright. I think it should be illegal to do so within a reasonable distance of another upright player. There are situations where diving for a ball is not putting other players at risk of a serious injury. This is clearly not an example of that.

Are you kidding me? That is a clear example of a reckless dive, actually. He dove at the ball in the direction of Udrih and even made him fall due to the contact. That play was actually far more dangerous and reckless than Anthony's. I'm personally okay with the play since I love watching when players do the dirty work, but if you think that play was better just because no one got injured, I think it makes your stance not only inconsistent, but also proves why I don't want a new rule in place. It would be too hard for everyone, including the refs, to agree on what is and isn't a "reckless dive."

...when did i say i was ok with what Lin did? I literally said i WASNT ok with it. lol.

Oh ok, my bad. I misinterrepted that last part of your post and thought you were saying the Lin one was okay. You clearly meant that either the Anthony or Lin (or both?) plays were not one of those moments where it was safe. I apologize about that.

[Ducklett]

Play should be blown dead and last person to touch the ball doesn't get possession. Great fix, amirite?

[TheShow2021]

I let out a shriek of terror watching his leg bend like that. I don't think the NBA is losing much if it regulates plays like these out of the game.

I think the fix could be no diving inside the 3 point line.

Let's start discussing solutions in this thread.

[kazyv]

It's because you're making a false claim: Anthony never dove at Ivey's ankles. There are multiple videos and screen grabs in this thread that show a 50/50 ball with both players moving toward the ball. Neither had position.

The only way to regulate this is to make diving for the ball illegal. Is that your position?

Were you upset at Lin when he did this?

Watch on YouTube

Me being a laker fan means obviously I believe no Laker player has ever done wrong at any time ever.... for all of eternity. Bro, the **** you mean was I upset? lol. If my Laker bias had anything to do with this why would I be chiming in about a situation involving Orlando and Detroit? So uh... yes... any time a Laker player has done this I've been equally against it, and will continue to be. I guess that was a fun imaginary game of gotcha though...

I dont think diving for a ball should be illegal outright. I think it should be illegal to do so within a reasonable distance of another upright player. There are situations where diving for a ball is not putting other players at risk of a serious injury. This is clearly not an example of that.

But what you're asking for won't work. It's completely up for interpretation and the real time actions of the players on the court. What if there is a loose ball with 2 players going for it? Should both stop, expecting the other may get there upright? What if one stops short and the other dives and is rewarded? Will the player that stopped short stop short again?

The only way you can make take this out of the game is to make diving illegal. Again, diving into someone's legs is already a foul. In this situation, Anthony did not dive into Ivey's legs. It was a 50/50 loose ball with both players on the same side of the ball coming from either direction. If that's your position, that's fine. But you can't stop at this grey area you seem to be advocating for.

huh? what? if players are in there, the rules would just say you have to be upright to recover the ball. no diving around/through players. that's all. nothing up for interpretation there.

[mariller]

For the life of me i just dont understand why people dont take this more seriously? Its an insanely reckless play to dive at someone's ankles. enough is enough with this ****.

It's because you're making a false claim: Anthony never dove at Ivey's ankles. There are multiple videos and screen grabs in this thread that show a 50/50 ball with both players moving toward the ball. Neither had position.

The only way to regulate this is to make diving for the ball illegal. Is that your position?

Were you upset at Lin when he did this?

Watch on YouTube

Me being a laker fan means obviously I believe no Laker player has ever done wrong at any time ever.... for all of eternity. Bro, the **** you mean was I upset? lol. If my Laker bias had anything to do with this why would I be chiming in about a situation involving Orlando and Detroit? So uh... yes... any time a Laker player has done this I've been equally against it, and will continue to be. I guess that was a fun imaginary game of gotcha though...

I dont think diving for a ball should be illegal outright. I think it should be illegal to do so within a reasonable distance of another upright player. There are situations where diving for a ball is not putting other players at risk of a serious injury. This is clearly not an example of that.

At this point you are either trolling or blind - this was 50/50 ball, when Anthony dove for the ball before or at best at the same time as Ivey so things you are claiming are simple lies.

Basically what you are proposing is that a player should not be diving for the ball ever because it makes sense only when another player is close, otherwise there is no sense of urgency.

[JayMKE]

Injuries can’t be legislated out of sport, trying to police nondirty hustle plays would turn this sport into more of an arcadey joke than it is. Landing space flagrant is dumb too since guys just try to land on guys feet now and there is more injuries than ever. Like a guy puts the ball on the floor in front of you your just suppose to look at it? You guys are crybabies, Ivey is just unlucky and that’s basketball.

[God Squad]

Cole could have very well ruined or at the very least altered Ivey's career with this injury. Jaden was coming into form this year, and was honestly breaking out with the new-look Pistons.

Speedy recovery Jaden.

[ryguy613]

Me being a laker fan means obviously I believe no Laker player has ever done wrong at any time ever.... for all of eternity. Bro, the **** you mean was I upset? lol. If my Laker bias had anything to do with this why would I be chiming in about a situation involving Orlando and Detroit? So uh... yes... any time a Laker player has done this I've been equally against it, and will continue to be. I guess that was a fun imaginary game of gotcha though...

I dont think diving for a ball should be illegal outright. I think it should be illegal to do so within a reasonable distance of another upright player. There are situations where diving for a ball is not putting other players at risk of a serious injury. This is clearly not an example of that.

But what you're asking for won't work. It's completely up for interpretation and the real time actions of the players on the court. What if there is a loose ball with 2 players going for it? Should both stop, expecting the other may get there upright? What if one stops short and the other dives and is rewarded? Will the player that stopped short stop short again?

The only way you can make take this out of the game is to make diving illegal. Again, diving into someone's legs is already a foul. In this situation, Anthony did not dive into Ivey's legs. It was a 50/50 loose ball with both players on the same side of the ball coming from either direction. If that's your position, that's fine. But you can't stop at this grey area you seem to be advocating for.

huh? what? if players are in there, the rules would just say you have to be upright to recover the ball. no diving around/through players. that's all. nothing up for interpretation there.

these are the kinds of complaints and claims that come up every time we talk about rule changes. "its going to be impossible to enforce that properly". The truth is, nothing is perfect with officiating... we already know that. has there been confusion about when to properly administer take foul rules, landing space rules, continuation rules? yes. Have we seen calls missed or incorrectly administered? yes. Does that mean we shouldnt have those rules? no. Rule changes are messy by nature. It takes time to fully understand how to apply them to the game properly. You still need to start somewhere.

[Nate505]

Play should be blown dead and last person to touch the ball doesn't get possession. Great fix, amirite?

Just think how many more 3s can be attempted if guys aren't wasting time and energy diving for the ball. It will be great, because nothing is more exciting than watching guys shoot 3s.

[TPA]

Play should be blown dead and last person to touch the ball doesn't get possession. Great fix, amirite?

Just think how many more 3s can be attempted if guys aren't wasting time and energy diving for the ball. It will be great, because nothing is more exciting than watching guys shoot 3s.

I sometimes sit around drinking beers watching youtube videos of random players making 3-pointers. Doesn't matter who, or at what level of competition. I just want to see balls go through the rim from distance.

[lambchop]

I let out a shriek of terror watching his leg bend like that. I don't think the NBA is losing much if it regulates plays like these out of the game.

I think the fix could be no diving inside the 3 point line.

Let's start discussing solutions in this thread.

Simply call diving for the ball a travel and the problem would be solved. The result would just be that players would sprint harder for the ball to try to get there first without diving.

I'm not a fan of calling it an automatic flagrant. BTW that Rondo hustle play against Jason Williams would be a travel in fiba cause players can't stand up with the basketball.

[JM00n69]

Diving for a loose 50/50 ball in a close game is just a reflex especially if you think you can get it. Nothing malicious about this play obv. It's a really unfortunate injury for Jaden but this stuff happens time to time and that is just part of the game and always has been. I don't know how you could realistically create a rule to stop this without it hampering the game in a major way.

[ChuckChilly]

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Now this is what an intentional fall to hurt someone looks like.

[Myth]

Watching Blazers/Magic right now. Cole Anthony has twice dived at the legs of Blazers. I wasn’t aware this was a pattern of his. He apparently does not care if he ends up injuring players, even after he has already ended the season of one.

[JujitsuFlip]

Wow, tough break for this kid, he had knee surgery today.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/46618905/pistons-guard-jaden-ivey-miss-four-weeks-knee-surgery