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Godymas wrote:so that means that guys from California would have to fly out to Germany to play games? Isn't that like 16 hours on a plane?
Movics wrote:PSG and Man City don’t have basketball teams. Paris Basketball is a fairly recently established team unrelated to PSG in the euro league.
Manchester’s only pro team plays in an arena that has a capacity of 2000…
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Jellybeans wrote:First thing that comes to mind is revenue for does big euro teams.
Real Madrid as football club is rich but im pretty sure our basketball team was losing money few seasons ago.
Like few weeks ago i was looking at best paid players in europe and i was kinda shocked.Mirotic got that big as.s contract that was then bought out or something.I was thinking numbers still should be big but then i saw that biggest numbers are around 4 mill and i was kinda shocked
Jellybeans wrote:Godymas wrote:so that means that guys from California would have to fly out to Germany to play games? Isn't that like 16 hours on a plane?
THey prob would fly out and stay few days there before games and would play more then one game there.
Or Cali teams would go there after they play east conf games.
UcanUwill wrote:Jellybeans wrote:First thing that comes to mind is revenue for does big euro teams.
Real Madrid as football club is rich but im pretty sure our basketball team was losing money few seasons ago.
Like few weeks ago i was looking at best paid players in europe and i was kinda shocked.Mirotic got that big as.s contract that was then bought out or something.I was thinking numbers still should be big but then i saw that biggest numbers are around 4 mill and i was kinda shocked
Most euro basketball teams are losing money, but the fact the product is barely business, is why Euro product is good, it is seen as amenity. NBA only exist to make money and it shows over how monetized everything is. And during Paris trip, when speaking about this, Silver basically only spoke about the money, how much money Euroleague leaves on a table and how they can do much better etc. The only reason to watch NBA product is the best players, i do not see appeal for this league at all...
"We're moving slowly to ensure that anything we do is accepted by the existing basketball ecosystem," Silver continued. "We've been having direct conversations with stakeholders this week. We want to respect the traditions of European sports, no matter what direction we take."
"We're talking about a competition – probably an independent league separate from the NBA. It would be a European league. What form it takes is still being explored. We're speaking with various groups to understand what opportunities exist," Silver continued
nomansland wrote:UcanUwill wrote:Jellybeans wrote:First thing that comes to mind is revenue for does big euro teams.
Real Madrid as football club is rich but im pretty sure our basketball team was losing money few seasons ago.
Like few weeks ago i was looking at best paid players in europe and i was kinda shocked.Mirotic got that big as.s contract that was then bought out or something.I was thinking numbers still should be big but then i saw that biggest numbers are around 4 mill and i was kinda shocked
Most euro basketball teams are losing money, but the fact the product is barely business, is why Euro product is good, it is seen as amenity. NBA only exist to make money and it shows over how monetized everything is. And during Paris trip, when speaking about this, Silver basically only spoke about the money, how much money Euroleague leaves on a table and how they can do much better etc. The only reason to watch NBA product is the best players, i do not see appeal for this league at all...
Seems like a better alternative would be to have the NBA invest in the Euroleague and then lend it their know-how to improve the revenue model. Over time they can start integrating the leagues so that you can take advantage of NBA branding, pan-continental cups and challenges, and ultimately a real "World" championship. All of that is probably more realistic, more palatable to European fans/consumers, and more sustainable over time. They don't have to create an NBA Jr.
LuDux1 wrote:nomansland wrote:UcanUwill wrote:
Most euro basketball teams are losing money, but the fact the product is barely business, is why Euro product is good, it is seen as amenity. NBA only exist to make money and it shows over how monetized everything is. And during Paris trip, when speaking about this, Silver basically only spoke about the money, how much money Euroleague leaves on a table and how they can do much better etc. The only reason to watch NBA product is the best players, i do not see appeal for this league at all...
Seems like a better alternative would be to have the NBA invest in the Euroleague and then lend it their know-how to improve the revenue model. Over time they can start integrating the leagues so that you can take advantage of NBA branding, pan-continental cups and challenges, and ultimately a real "World" championship. All of that is probably more realistic, more palatable to European fans/consumers, and more sustainable over time. They don't have to create an NBA Jr.
Doesn't look like Euroleague/ULEB, few teams mentioned in OP aside, is interested in cooperation. Some time ago it looked like ULEB and FIBA were close to peace. Alas..
UcanUwill wrote:Movics wrote:PSG and Man City don’t have basketball teams. Paris Basketball is a fairly recently established team unrelated to PSG in the euro league.
Manchester’s only pro team plays in an arena that has a capacity of 2000…
Fake news
Lol this is not fake news, this whole thing been most of was talked about during Paris trip. We know PSG and City doesn't have basketball teams, duh, the whole idea is to take richest sport franchises in the world and make them participators, they would form basketball teams...
As Euro basketball fan and a bit of a NBA hater, I hate this, but I imagine this project wouldn't be huge success. Silver thinks he will just tap in, make some non basketball cities and franchises into participators, and Europeans will instantly care? Most Euros cant watch regular basketball game cause it has stoppage time, they aren't tuning to nba product, where timeouts are 3 times longer. This will not be nba, at least with nba, top talent might sway you into watching, this would just be watered down Euroleague, but with insuferable NBA business model and teams with no basketball fans. I cant see how thats appealing to anybody.
bkkrh wrote:UcanUwill wrote:Movics wrote:PSG and Man City don’t have basketball teams. Paris Basketball is a fairly recently established team unrelated to PSG in the euro league.
Manchester’s only pro team plays in an arena that has a capacity of 2000…
Fake news
Lol this is not fake news, this whole thing been most of was talked about during Paris trip. We know PSG and City doesn't have basketball teams, duh, the whole idea is to take richest sport franchises in the world and make them participators, they would form basketball teams...
As Euro basketball fan and a bit of a NBA hater, I hate this, but I imagine this project wouldn't be huge success. Silver thinks he will just tap in, make some non basketball cities and franchises into participators, and Europeans will instantly care? Most Euros cant watch regular basketball game cause it has stoppage time, they aren't tuning to nba product, where timeouts are 3 times longer. This will not be nba, at least with nba, top talent might sway you into watching, this would just be watered down Euroleague, but with insuferable NBA business model and teams with no basketball fans. I cant see how thats appealing to anybody.
If you know how much European football fans hate UEFA and FIFA, I can't even imagine how they'd react to the NBA. Same goes for ticket prices. Would still be priceless to see Adam Silver's face when the first pyros go off.
Still the list of names already suggest failure. You literally have 1 country were fans really care about Basketball. If you want to have a chance to reach NBA level attendances you basically have to pick Spain, Turkey, Greece, Serbia. Good ludk with convincing those fans to watch Basketball as a consumer product^^.
UcanUwill wrote:LuDux1 wrote:nomansland wrote:
Seems like a better alternative would be to have the NBA invest in the Euroleague and then lend it their know-how to improve the revenue model. Over time they can start integrating the leagues so that you can take advantage of NBA branding, pan-continental cups and challenges, and ultimately a real "World" championship. All of that is probably more realistic, more palatable to European fans/consumers, and more sustainable over time. They don't have to create an NBA Jr.
Doesn't look like Euroleague/ULEB, few teams mentioned in OP aside, is interested in cooperation. Some time ago it looked like ULEB and FIBA were close to peace. Alas..
They don't want to cooperate in a sense they don't want to leave Euroleague. This would be different kind of cooperation, but NBA tries to make this happen with their FIBA friends, and EL and FIBA are not on good terms. I wonder how much of this is FIBA initiation, maybe not a ton, but still, their club tournaments have very low interest levels and in general are pretty D graded, they want to have top Euro league in their hands, and teaming up with NBA is the only possible scenario this would ever happen.
Speaking about cooperation with NBA and Euroleague, as fan I want Euroleague to grow and be successful, but I dont want it turn it into NBA. NBA product is terrible, everything they do is for the money, they undermined as much quality as possible to squeeze every last penny, they are succesful i give them that. But thats just cultural difference, Americans couldn't even perceive sports that aren't there for the money.
UcanUwill wrote:Movics wrote:PSG and Man City don’t have basketball teams. Paris Basketball is a fairly recently established team unrelated to PSG in the euro league.
Manchester’s only pro team plays in an arena that has a capacity of 2000…
Fake news
Lol this is not fake news, this whole thing been most of was talked about during Paris trip. We know PSG and City doesn't have basketball teams, duh, the whole idea is to take richest sport franchises in the world and make them participators, they would form basketball
Movics wrote:UcanUwill wrote:Movics wrote:PSG and Man City don’t have basketball teams. Paris Basketball is a fairly recently established team unrelated to PSG in the euro league.
Manchester’s only pro team plays in an arena that has a capacity of 2000…
Fake news
Lol this is not fake news, this whole thing been most of was talked about during Paris trip. We know PSG and City doesn't have basketball teams, duh, the whole idea is to take richest sport franchises in the world and make them participators, they would form basketball
Duh, how did I not think of that?! Duh… Real Madrid have been struggling to get quality players for their women’s soccer team that they established 3-4 seasons ago, they were never able to start a handball team even though they’d tried. It’s so easy to just add new divisions to multi sport clubs, duh. Even PSG and City couldn’t add teams that would cost hundreds of millions of dollars just to start. Duh…
LuDux1 wrote:Looks like it could be like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basketball_Africa_League, "established and is co-organized by NBA Africa and the International Basketball Federation (FIBA)" with no participation in NBA until supersonic jets
nomansland wrote:UcanUwill wrote:Jellybeans wrote:First thing that comes to mind is revenue for does big euro teams.
Real Madrid as football club is rich but im pretty sure our basketball team was losing money few seasons ago.
Like few weeks ago i was looking at best paid players in europe and i was kinda shocked.Mirotic got that big as.s contract that was then bought out or something.I was thinking numbers still should be big but then i saw that biggest numbers are around 4 mill and i was kinda shocked
Most euro basketball teams are losing money, but the fact the product is barely business, is why Euro product is good, it is seen as amenity. NBA only exist to make money and it shows over how monetized everything is. And during Paris trip, when speaking about this, Silver basically only spoke about the money, how much money Euroleague leaves on a table and how they can do much better etc. The only reason to watch NBA product is the best players, i do not see appeal for this league at all...
Seems like a better alternative would be to have the NBA invest in the Euroleague and then lend it their know-how to improve the revenue model. Over time they can start integrating the leagues so that you can take advantage of NBA branding, pan-continental cups and challenges, and ultimately a real "World" championship. All of that is probably more realistic, more palatable to European fans/consumers, and more sustainable over time. They don't have to create an NBA Jr.
UcanUwill wrote:bkkrh wrote:UcanUwill wrote:
Lol this is not fake news, this whole thing been most of was talked about during Paris trip. We know PSG and City doesn't have basketball teams, duh, the whole idea is to take richest sport franchises in the world and make them participators, they would form basketball teams...
As Euro basketball fan and a bit of a NBA hater, I hate this, but I imagine this project wouldn't be huge success. Silver thinks he will just tap in, make some non basketball cities and franchises into participators, and Europeans will instantly care? Most Euros cant watch regular basketball game cause it has stoppage time, they aren't tuning to nba product, where timeouts are 3 times longer. This will not be nba, at least with nba, top talent might sway you into watching, this would just be watered down Euroleague, but with insuferable NBA business model and teams with no basketball fans. I cant see how thats appealing to anybody.
If you know how much European football fans hate UEFA and FIFA, I can't even imagine how they'd react to the NBA. Same goes for ticket prices. Would still be priceless to see Adam Silver's face when the first pyros go off.
Still the list of names already suggest failure. You literally have 1 country were fans really care about Basketball. If you want to have a chance to reach NBA level attendances you basically have to pick Spain, Turkey, Greece, Serbia. Good ludk with convincing those fans to watch Basketball as a consumer product^^.
Netball is more popular in England than Basketball, the only reason they targeting Man City is Saudi money.
bkkrh wrote:nomansland wrote:UcanUwill wrote:
Most euro basketball teams are losing money, but the fact the product is barely business, is why Euro product is good, it is seen as amenity. NBA only exist to make money and it shows over how monetized everything is. And during Paris trip, when speaking about this, Silver basically only spoke about the money, how much money Euroleague leaves on a table and how they can do much better etc. The only reason to watch NBA product is the best players, i do not see appeal for this league at all...
Seems like a better alternative would be to have the NBA invest in the Euroleague and then lend it their know-how to improve the revenue model. Over time they can start integrating the leagues so that you can take advantage of NBA branding, pan-continental cups and challenges, and ultimately a real "World" championship. All of that is probably more realistic, more palatable to European fans/consumers, and more sustainable over time. They don't have to create an NBA Jr.
That "know how" on how to improve revenue would be the exact reason fans would start to riot. The American model does not work in Europe. If you are a fan of a team you generally expect that you can afford to watch every home game in the stadium with an average income. Just as an example, the ticket prices for League games for Bayern Munich are between 10 to 56 Euros. For Euroleague games 10 to 65 Euros. If you are ok with a standing place you can get a season ticket for 258 Euros that allows you to watch all 34 regular season German League and Euro League games. If you are younger than 17, an apprentice, or a student, you get a 30% discount on that. If you are younger than 13, over 65 or have a disability, you get a 50% discount.
The Football departments of Real and Barca are according to Forbes in the top 20 of the most valuable Sport Clubs in the world. Man City is 31st, Bayern Munich is 34th, PSG is 47th. It would be super easy for any of these clubs to sign each offseason some decent starter level NBA player for their Basketball teams (minus Man City & PSG, since they don't have one) and pay that player 10-20 Million Euros in salary. They spend more on transfer fees for some bench players of their Football teams.
The reason they don't do it is that it makes no sense from a financial perspective and that the majority of their fans won't care at all if that player was previously a starter on the Clippers, Grizzlies or whatever. What will be problematic though is if those players earn all of a sudden more than the star Football players from the same team, that have a way higher priority in the first place. So it makes a lot more sense to have the current model, where decently talented players earn around 2-3 Million max, while teams are making a loss that does not have much impact and it can be considered in that sense as a marketing expense.
What will definitely not happen is that European fans will spend 100 bucks or more to watch a Basketball game, especially when it costs them half the amount to watch professional Football, which is already way more popular in the first place.
