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Post#41 » by bkkrh » Fri Jan 31, 2025 5:10 pm

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Seems like a better alternative would be to have the NBA invest in the Euroleague and then lend it their know-how to improve the revenue model. Over time they can start integrating the leagues so that you can take advantage of NBA branding, pan-continental cups and challenges, and ultimately a real "World" championship. All of that is probably more realistic, more palatable to European fans/consumers, and more sustainable over time. They don't have to create an NBA Jr.


That "know how" on how to improve revenue would be the exact reason fans would start to riot. The American model does not work in Europe. If you are a fan of a team you generally expect that you can afford to watch every home game in the stadium with an average income. Just as an example, the ticket prices for League games for Bayern Munich are between 10 to 56 Euros. For Euroleague games 10 to 65 Euros. If you are ok with a standing place you can get a season ticket for 258 Euros that allows you to watch all 34 regular season German League and Euro League games. If you are younger than 17, an apprentice, or a student, you get a 30% discount on that. If you are younger than 13, over 65 or have a disability, you get a 50% discount.

The Football departments of Real and Barca are according to Forbes in the top 20 of the most valuable Sport Clubs in the world. Man City is 31st, Bayern Munich is 34th, PSG is 47th. It would be super easy for any of these clubs to sign each offseason some decent starter level NBA player for their Basketball teams (minus Man City & PSG, since they don't have one) and pay that player 10-20 Million Euros in salary. They spend more on transfer fees for some bench players of their Football teams.

The reason they don't do it is that it makes no sense from a financial perspective and that the majority of their fans won't care at all if that player was previously a starter on the Clippers, Grizzlies or whatever. What will be problematic though is if those players earn all of a sudden more than the star Football players from the same team, that have a way higher priority in the first place. So it makes a lot more sense to have the current model, where decently talented players earn around 2-3 Million max, while teams are making a loss that does not have much impact and it can be considered in that sense as a marketing expense.

What will definitely not happen is that European fans will spend 100 bucks or more to watch a Basketball game, especially when it costs them half the amount to watch professional Football, which is already way more popular in the first place.


That's not the only problem, travel is bad from the U.S to Europe, if we are talking about this Expansion being a real possibility technology would have to improve, as it takes too long to fly to Europe and Backs, Also it would be bad to put a team in England other then because the Population is high, there's better choices out there.


Yeah, that of course as well. But even if we consider some "NBA Europe" like the NFL Europe previously, it would fail if they want to set it up similar to the NBA.

What I can see working is some cooperation between the leagues. More like a loaning and transfer system as in professional football. Meaning NBA teams can either loan or "sell" players for development in the Euroleague and free up some cap space that way. While on the other side, it becomes easier for Euroleague players to go to the NBA, meaning that there aren't cases that NBA teams still have draft rights of 29 year old players they drafted as a 2nd rounder 8 seasons ago and that player can only earn a rookie salary and sign with that team. Or that NBA teams can fully buy out contracts.

The details would of course matter here, but this I definitely see potentially beneficial for both sides.
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Post#42 » by UcanUwill » Fri Jan 31, 2025 5:12 pm

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If you know how much European football fans hate UEFA and FIFA, I can't even imagine how they'd react to the NBA. Same goes for ticket prices. Would still be priceless to see Adam Silver's face when the first pyros go off.

Still the list of names already suggest failure. You literally have 1 country were fans really care about Basketball. If you want to have a chance to reach NBA level attendances you basically have to pick Spain, Turkey, Greece, Serbia. Good ludk with convincing those fans to watch Basketball as a consumer product^^.


Netball is more popular in England than Basketball, the only reason they targeting Man City is Saudi money.


is it, every time Nba plays in England it's always packed, my concern is could they withhold that throughout the season, I think England is a bad choice, I understand because based population it's good, other cites would have fit the criteria despite having a smaller population.


If you listen to podcasts or read, there are always many fans from UK, but overall, basketball is not mentioned in general media at all, I imagine a huge percentage of people in UK dont know a single basketball player. They pack crowd for one game, but they would probably pack crowd for NFL game too, it is event, it is exotic for ordinary people, and it does of course have those hipster fans across nation.
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Post#44 » by LuDux1 » Fri Jan 31, 2025 5:19 pm

It would make no sense for FIBA to work with NBA, if new league will be closed. Silver mentioning Africa League as an example is another sign it will be open.
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Post#45 » by bkkrh » Fri Jan 31, 2025 5:42 pm

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Netball is more popular in England than Basketball, the only reason they targeting Man City is Saudi money.


is it, every time Nba plays in England it's always packed, my concern is could they withhold that throughout the season, I think England is a bad choice, I understand because based population it's good, other cites would have fit the criteria despite having a smaller population.


If you listen to podcasts or read, there are always many fans from UK, but overall, basketball is not mentioned in general media at all, I imagine a huge percentage of people in UK dont know a single basketball player. They pack crowd for one game, but they would probably pack crowd for NFL game too, it is event, it is exotic for ordinary people, and it does of course have those hipster fans across nation.


Yeah that's pretty much how I see it as well. Especially since it won't only be UK fans there. NBA games are generally a raririty in Europe and you can get a flight for less than 40 Euros from pretty much every Western European country to London, so you have people from all over Europe getting those tickets, since they normally only have 1-2 times each season the chance to watch NBA basketball in Europe.
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Post#46 » by LuDux1 » Fri Jan 31, 2025 5:47 pm

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Post#48 » by Big J » Fri Jan 31, 2025 6:04 pm

Imagine NBA levels of foul baiting and flopping in the Euroleague. Brother eeeeh, what's that, what's that brother?
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Post#49 » by bkkrh » Fri Jan 31, 2025 6:25 pm

Big J wrote:Imagine NBA levels of foul baiting and flopping in the Euroleague. Brother eeeeh, what's that, what's that brother?


Imagine the timeout speech bits of the European coaches. You *beep* *beep* *beep*. If any of you *beep* will *beep* in the 2nd quarter I will *beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep* your Mothers!!!!!!
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Post#50 » by Ruma85 » Fri Jan 31, 2025 6:37 pm

bkkrh wrote:
Big J wrote:Imagine NBA levels of foul baiting and flopping in the Euroleague. Brother eeeeh, what's that, what's that brother?


Imagine the timeout speech bits of the European coaches. You *beep* *beep* *beep*. If any of you *beep* will *beep* in the 2nd quarter I will *beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep* your Mothers!!!!!!


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Post#51 » by bkkrh » Fri Jan 31, 2025 6:42 pm

Ruma85 wrote:
bkkrh wrote:
Big J wrote:Imagine NBA levels of foul baiting and flopping in the Euroleague. Brother eeeeh, what's that, what's that brother?


Imagine the timeout speech bits of the European coaches. You *beep* *beep* *beep*. If any of you *beep* will *beep* in the 2nd quarter I will *beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep* your Mothers!!!!!!


Obradovic would hurt some feelings. :lol: :lol:


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Post#52 » by Message Boar » Fri Jan 31, 2025 6:43 pm

How would that even work, practially?
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Post#53 » by LuDux1 » Fri Jan 31, 2025 8:06 pm

Message Boar wrote:How would that even work, practially?


Bunch of European teams play each other and then decide winner of tournament through playoffs
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Post#54 » by nomansland » Fri Jan 31, 2025 8:48 pm

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Most euro basketball teams are losing money, but the fact the product is barely business, is why Euro product is good, it is seen as amenity. NBA only exist to make money and it shows over how monetized everything is. And during Paris trip, when speaking about this, Silver basically only spoke about the money, how much money Euroleague leaves on a table and how they can do much better etc. The only reason to watch NBA product is the best players, i do not see appeal for this league at all...


Seems like a better alternative would be to have the NBA invest in the Euroleague and then lend it their know-how to improve the revenue model. Over time they can start integrating the leagues so that you can take advantage of NBA branding, pan-continental cups and challenges, and ultimately a real "World" championship. All of that is probably more realistic, more palatable to European fans/consumers, and more sustainable over time. They don't have to create an NBA Jr.


That "know how" on how to improve revenue would be the exact reason fans would start to riot. The American model does not work in Europe. If you are a fan of a team you generally expect that you can afford to watch every home game in the stadium with an average income. Just as an example, the ticket prices for League games for Bayern Munich are between 10 to 56 Euros. For Euroleague games 10 to 65 Euros. If you are ok with a standing place you can get a season ticket for 258 Euros that allows you to watch all 34 regular season German League and Euro League games. If you are younger than 17, an apprentice, or a student, you get a 30% discount on that. If you are younger than 13, over 65 or have a disability, you get a 50% discount.

The Football departments of Real and Barca are according to Forbes in the top 20 of the most valuable Sport Clubs in the world. Man City is 31st, Bayern Munich is 34th, PSG is 47th. It would be super easy for any of these clubs to sign each offseason some decent starter level NBA player for their Basketball teams (minus Man City & PSG, since they don't have one) and pay that player 10-20 Million Euros in salary. They spend more on transfer fees for some bench players of their Football teams.

The reason they don't do it is that it makes no sense from a financial perspective and that the majority of their fans won't care at all if that player was previously a starter on the Clippers, Grizzlies or whatever. What will be problematic though is if those players earn all of a sudden more than the star Football players from the same team, that have a way higher priority in the first place. So it makes a lot more sense to have the current model, where decently talented players earn around 2-3 Million max, while teams are making a loss that does not have much impact and it can be considered in that sense as a marketing expense.

What will definitely not happen is that European fans will spend 100 bucks or more to watch a Basketball game, especially when it costs them half the amount to watch professional Football, which is already way more popular in the first place.


I dunno man. I go to Barca games and marginally ok seats are already 60+ euros. I paid 90 euros for a game against Real Madrid and the seats were in the 2nd to last row, the jumbotron was blocked by scaffolding, and the view was not great.

The Barca arena is total ass. Uncomfortable seats, terrible food/drink offerings, and a rundown arena that resembles a D2 arena in the NCAA.

If you want to see a game on TV you have to subscribe to Movistar and even then you don't get all of the games.

They can do a lot better.
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Post#55 » by bkkrh » Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:02 pm

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Seems like a better alternative would be to have the NBA invest in the Euroleague and then lend it their know-how to improve the revenue model. Over time they can start integrating the leagues so that you can take advantage of NBA branding, pan-continental cups and challenges, and ultimately a real "World" championship. All of that is probably more realistic, more palatable to European fans/consumers, and more sustainable over time. They don't have to create an NBA Jr.


That "know how" on how to improve revenue would be the exact reason fans would start to riot. The American model does not work in Europe. If you are a fan of a team you generally expect that you can afford to watch every home game in the stadium with an average income. Just as an example, the ticket prices for League games for Bayern Munich are between 10 to 56 Euros. For Euroleague games 10 to 65 Euros. If you are ok with a standing place you can get a season ticket for 258 Euros that allows you to watch all 34 regular season German League and Euro League games. If you are younger than 17, an apprentice, or a student, you get a 30% discount on that. If you are younger than 13, over 65 or have a disability, you get a 50% discount.

The Football departments of Real and Barca are according to Forbes in the top 20 of the most valuable Sport Clubs in the world. Man City is 31st, Bayern Munich is 34th, PSG is 47th. It would be super easy for any of these clubs to sign each offseason some decent starter level NBA player for their Basketball teams (minus Man City & PSG, since they don't have one) and pay that player 10-20 Million Euros in salary. They spend more on transfer fees for some bench players of their Football teams.

The reason they don't do it is that it makes no sense from a financial perspective and that the majority of their fans won't care at all if that player was previously a starter on the Clippers, Grizzlies or whatever. What will be problematic though is if those players earn all of a sudden more than the star Football players from the same team, that have a way higher priority in the first place. So it makes a lot more sense to have the current model, where decently talented players earn around 2-3 Million max, while teams are making a loss that does not have much impact and it can be considered in that sense as a marketing expense.

What will definitely not happen is that European fans will spend 100 bucks or more to watch a Basketball game, especially when it costs them half the amount to watch professional Football, which is already way more popular in the first place.


I dunno man. I go to Barca games and marginally ok seats are already 60+ euros. I paid 90 euros for a game against Real Madrid and the seats were in the 2nd to last row, the jumbotron was blocked by scaffolding, and the view was not great.

The Barca arena is total ass. Uncomfortable seats, terrible food/drink offerings, and a rundown arena that resembles a D2 arena in the NCAA.

If you want to see a game on TV you have to subscribe to Movistar and even then you don't get all of the games.

They can do a lot better.


Funny enough I recently moved to Barcelona and wanted to check out about prices the next days, guess I know what to expect now :lol: . But yeah, there are definitely some price differences depending on countries. Same as Premier League has higher ticketing prices than other European leagues.

From my understanding even that seems still pretty affordable since according to my knowledge kind of decent seeds for an NBA game will land you always in the 3 digit area.
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Post#56 » by Shock Defeat » Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:58 pm

The only thing that makes sense is to add those European teams to the In Season Tournament.
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Post#57 » by nomansland » Fri Jan 31, 2025 10:25 pm

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That "know how" on how to improve revenue would be the exact reason fans would start to riot. The American model does not work in Europe. If you are a fan of a team you generally expect that you can afford to watch every home game in the stadium with an average income. Just as an example, the ticket prices for League games for Bayern Munich are between 10 to 56 Euros. For Euroleague games 10 to 65 Euros. If you are ok with a standing place you can get a season ticket for 258 Euros that allows you to watch all 34 regular season German League and Euro League games. If you are younger than 17, an apprentice, or a student, you get a 30% discount on that. If you are younger than 13, over 65 or have a disability, you get a 50% discount.

The Football departments of Real and Barca are according to Forbes in the top 20 of the most valuable Sport Clubs in the world. Man City is 31st, Bayern Munich is 34th, PSG is 47th. It would be super easy for any of these clubs to sign each offseason some decent starter level NBA player for their Basketball teams (minus Man City & PSG, since they don't have one) and pay that player 10-20 Million Euros in salary. They spend more on transfer fees for some bench players of their Football teams.

The reason they don't do it is that it makes no sense from a financial perspective and that the majority of their fans won't care at all if that player was previously a starter on the Clippers, Grizzlies or whatever. What will be problematic though is if those players earn all of a sudden more than the star Football players from the same team, that have a way higher priority in the first place. So it makes a lot more sense to have the current model, where decently talented players earn around 2-3 Million max, while teams are making a loss that does not have much impact and it can be considered in that sense as a marketing expense.

What will definitely not happen is that European fans will spend 100 bucks or more to watch a Basketball game, especially when it costs them half the amount to watch professional Football, which is already way more popular in the first place.


I dunno man. I go to Barca games and marginally ok seats are already 60+ euros. I paid 90 euros for a game against Real Madrid and the seats were in the 2nd to last row, the jumbotron was blocked by scaffolding, and the view was not great.

The Barca arena is total ass. Uncomfortable seats, terrible food/drink offerings, and a rundown arena that resembles a D2 arena in the NCAA.

If you want to see a game on TV you have to subscribe to Movistar and even then you don't get all of the games.

They can do a lot better.


Funny enough I recently moved to Barcelona and wanted to check out about prices the next days, guess I know what to expect now :lol: . But yeah, there are definitely some price differences depending on countries. Same as Premier League has higher ticketing prices than other European leagues.

From my understanding even that seems still pretty affordable since according to my knowledge kind of decent seeds for an NBA game will land you always in the 3 digit area.


Depends on the arena and the team. My kid paid $70 for upper level seats last year in NY to see the Nuggets. I am pretty sure you can get upper level seats for around $40 in most arenas, except for the NY/LA area. If the team sucks, tickets are going to be a lot cheaper. Of course, if you want to sit lower level or courtside, tickets for an NBA game are going to be way more expensive, but even for a Barca game you're looking at 150+ euros for courtside seats.
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Post#58 » by Mirotic12 » Sat Feb 1, 2025 2:25 am

LuDux1 wrote:Doesn't look like Euroleague/ULEB, few teams mentioned in OP aside, is interested in cooperation. Some time ago it looked like ULEB and FIBA were close to peace. Alas..


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ULEB doesn't have anything to do with EuroLeague. They broke away from EuroLeague and merged with FIBA years ago.

They are actually partnered in the FIBA Basketball Champions League and supported FIBA taking back control of the EuroLeague.

They were joined with FIBA in the war against EuroLeague.

The EuroLeague is a 100% independent private corporation, and no longer has any connection nor ties to ULEB, which in fact is a FIBA partner.
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Post#59 » by joeschmo » Sat Feb 1, 2025 5:08 am

would be an epic mistake that i hope they make
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Post#60 » by kodo » Sat Feb 1, 2025 5:23 am

DaGawd wrote:travel would be impossible.. unless they’re ending back to backs


This would be another league, European teams would not be traveling to play US teams & vice versa.
Basically the NBA wants to challenge Euroleague.

The 11-time EuroLeague champions have hesitated to commit to another 10-year EuroLeague agreement from the very beginning, leaving the door open for a potential switch to NBA Europe
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In total, NBA Europe is considering a 10-team structure, with a heavy emphasis on revenue generation through arenas and media rights.

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