Is Khris cooked?

[CharityStripe34]

He's not cooked as a player, but probably as a consistent starting F athletically. I think that's why they've placed him in that Ginobili role as 6th man. His body at this point just won't be able to hold up the rigors of the season, and especially the way-more-intense playoff season, where he would normally be expected to play 35-40 minutes a night. This season will be a huge test for that because I don't think he's suddenly going to get dealt next week.

It's a shame that in that annoying Bulls first-round series in 2022 he slipped on a stupid wet spot. It's looking more and more like a massive "What If?" I think that 2022 team gets into the Finals and could've beaten GS. *Sigh*

[tedbrogen]

Read all 3 pages and not a single stat or analytic to back any of these claims that 'he's cooked' are in fact accurate. Appears to be a lot of eye test, which can certainly be a good analysis, don't get me wrong. So here are some stats this year compared to championship season. Make your own conclusions but I said he's not cooked. Still a net positive when on the court, but turning the ball over more and not scoring as many points due to usage being lower. Increase his usage and let him do the cooking.

NETRTG
24-25 = 5.8
20-21 = 6.2

AST%
24-25 = 26.4
20-21 = 22.7

AST/TO
24-25 = 2.91
20-21 = 2.08

TO RATIO
24-25 = 9.8
20-21 = 10.4

TS%
24-25 = 59.2
20-21 = 58.8

USG%
24-25 = 20.6
20-21 = 24.5

PIE (Player Impact Estimate)
24-25 = 11.2
20-21 = 12.3

In game six against the Hawks with no Giannis he played 40 minutes, scored 34 points as the top option on offense, and played excellent D.

Do you believe he is physically capable of that in his current state?

Rate basis stats are nice but you are conveniently ignoring minutes per game and how much cap hit he is taking up.

[tedbrogen]

Put him back in the starting lineup & get him more involved on O. Prince to the bench.

Are you saying they should play him starters minutes? Do you think he can handle 30+ mpg? He only did that once during last regular season then once he played a bunch during the Pacers series it ended with double ankle surgery.

[SickMother]

Rate basis stats are nice but you are conveniently ignoring minutes per game and how much cap hit he is taking up.

So not so much "cooked" and more "overpaid for current role"?

[tedbrogen]

Rate basis stats are nice but you are conveniently ignoring minutes per game and how much cap hit he is taking up.

So not so much "cooked" and more "overpaid for current role"?

Both. Cooked physically so that he’ll never be the same defender or capable of starters minutes. And also eating up too much cap during the last couple years of true contention.

Once Giannis starts to lose a step and goes from best player on the planet to just top ten guy, that door slams shut.

[Eeavers57]

Read all 3 pages and not a single stat or analytic to back any of these claims that 'he's cooked' are in fact accurate. Appears to be a lot of eye test, which can certainly be a good analysis, don't get me wrong. So here are some stats this year compared to championship season. Make your own conclusions but I said he's not cooked. Still a net positive when on the court, but turning the ball over more and not scoring as many points due to usage being lower. Increase his usage and let him do the cooking.

NETRTG
24-25 = 5.8
20-21 = 6.2

AST%
24-25 = 26.4
20-21 = 22.7

AST/TO
24-25 = 2.91
20-21 = 2.08

TO RATIO
24-25 = 9.8
20-21 = 10.4

TS%
24-25 = 59.2
20-21 = 58.8

USG%
24-25 = 20.6
20-21 = 24.5

PIE (Player Impact Estimate)
24-25 = 11.2
20-21 = 12.3

In game six against the Hawks with no Giannis he played 40 minutes, scored 34 points as the top option on offense, and played excellent D.

Do you believe he is physically capable of that in his current state?

Rate basis stats are nice but you are conveniently ignoring minutes per game and how much cap hit he is taking up.

That's not the question. The question is "Is he cooked?" I agree he is overpaid.

The answer is no. He has a high true shooting percentage and a net positive on the court. Not making a direct comparison between the 2 here game wise, but age and stage of their career, but go ask Celtics fans if they think Horford is cooked because he is older and can't do the stuff he used to.

[rilamann]

For some of us this has been evident for a long-time.

I was about to say, on behalf of PP and myself, we would like to welcome everyone to the island we've been on since around 2023.

My current opinion on Khris is actually about the same as it was since 2023, he's cooked in terms of ever being anything close to his old all-star self.

But I think he can still be a contributor in a 6th man type of role.

[Wonka]

If his salary was that of a sixth man, I would keep him with no hesitation. But it isn't, and we need that salary off the books to be truly competitive.

[SirChurros]

Read all 3 pages and not a single stat or analytic to back any of these claims that 'he's cooked' are in fact accurate. Appears to be a lot of eye test, which can certainly be a good analysis, don't get me wrong. So here are some stats this year compared to championship season. Make your own conclusions but I said he's not cooked. Still a net positive when on the court, but turning the ball over more and not scoring as many points due to usage being lower. Increase his usage and let him do the cooking.

NETRTG
24-25 = 5.8
20-21 = 6.2

AST%
24-25 = 26.4
20-21 = 22.7

AST/TO
24-25 = 2.91
20-21 = 2.08

TO RATIO
24-25 = 9.8
20-21 = 10.4

TS%
24-25 = 59.2
20-21 = 58.8

USG%
24-25 = 20.6
20-21 = 24.5

PIE (Player Impact Estimate)
24-25 = 11.2
20-21 = 12.3

In game six against the Hawks with no Giannis he played 40 minutes, scored 34 points as the top option on offense, and played excellent D.

Do you believe he is physically capable of that in his current state?

Rate basis stats are nice but you are conveniently ignoring minutes per game and how much cap hit he is taking up.

That's not the question. The question is "Is he cooked?" I agree he is overpaid.

The answer is no. He has a high true shooting percentage and a net positive on the court. Not making a direct comparison between the 2 here game wise, but age and stage of their career, but go ask Celtics fans if they think Horford is cooked because he is older and can't do the stuff he used to.

Just because Khris can occasionally do the stuff he used to do, doesn’t mean he’s not cooked.

[chonestown]

For some of us this has been evident for a long-time.

I was about to say, on behalf of PP and myself, we would like to welcome everyone to the island we've been on since around 2023.

My current opinion on Khris is actually about the same as it was since 2023, he's cooked in terms of ever being anything close to his old all-star self.

But I think he can still be a contributor in a 6th man type of role.

It was a brave stance than and its a brave stance now

[jute2003]

Maybe not well done but he's certainly past medium well.

[jschligs]

Given his salary, his injury history, his defensive liabilities, and inconsistent availability and offense…yes.

You think he’s going to be able to run through 16-28 post season games getting clamped by younger guys on Cleveland, Boston, Orlando, etc? Absolutely not. I love him to death, but I’d rather he finish this contract on another team.

[Be Here Now]

I would say the most jarring thing about watching him this year is his balance/clumsiness. He looks like he's on ice skates compared to the other players. He's constantly slipping or falling.

As others have stated, he's still useful but ideally your 5th or 6th best player if you're hoping to win a chip. In my opinion he'd need significant load management in order to get thru 4 playoff series. Even with load management it's still probably a longshot.

Horst not being able to add a youngish 3rd banana is where the problem lies. Now we are probably stuck trading for a flawed guy like Jimmy (old and malcontent) or Lavine (huge contract, bad defender, career loser).

[DanoMac]

My miiiiind's tellin me noooo, but my body...my BODYYYYS tellin me yesssss

[paulpressey25]

Just because Khris can occasionally do the stuff he used to do, doesn’t mean he’s not cooked.

Great players are always able to occasionally pull out the magic. But what made them great during younger times was the fact they could do it virtually every night. That really is the definition of all-star. Every night. Because there are probably 150 guys in the league capable of going off for 30 for a few games a year.

[SirChurros]

Just because Khris can occasionally do the stuff he used to do, doesn’t mean he’s not cooked.

Great players are always able to occasionally pull out the magic. But what made them great during younger times was the fact they could do it virtually every night. That really is the definition of all-star. Every night. Because there are probably 150 guys in the league capable of going off for 30 for a few games a year.

Right, that’s kind of my point.

[BroncoBuck]

Just because Khris can occasionally do the stuff he used to do, doesn’t mean he’s not cooked.

Great players are always able to occasionally pull out the magic. But what made them great during younger times was the fact they could do it virtually every night. That really is the definition of all-star. Every night. Because there are probably 150 guys in the league capable of going off for 30 for a few games a year.

This is it one hundred percent. Mo Williams dropped 52 points in a game then only played half a season the following year and his career was over. That’s just the way the league has been.

[tedbrogen]

Just because Khris can occasionally do the stuff he used to do, doesn’t mean he’s not cooked.

Great players are always able to occasionally pull out the magic. But what made them great during younger times was the fact they could do it virtually every night. That really is the definition of all-star. Every night. Because there are probably 150 guys in the league capable of going off for 30 for a few games a year.

Every night is the key. He clearly just can’t do it every night and he’s their third most important offensive option right now.

This is not the same guy that did this in the 2021 postseason:
Averaged 42mpg on 24/8/4 against the Nets
Including 52 minutes in game seven and hitting the series winning shot in his 52nd minute
Averaged 39 mpg on 24/8/6.5 against the Hawks
Including 32 points to close out the series without Giannis when the Hawks were keying on him
Averaged 42mpg on 24/6/5 against the Suns
Including a 40 piece in game four to tie up the series

Does anyone realistically believe you could leave Midds out there for 52 minutes in a game now and then he’d hit a game winner in OT.

He’s not the same guy, he can’t be relied on every night to be that third guy, and he is a huge liability one on one on D because he can’t move laterally. Rate stats for 20 games against not great teams playing about 20 mpg doesn’t mean he will be reliable in the playoffs for multiple series.

[rilamann]

For some of us this has been evident for a long-time.

I was about to say, on behalf of PP and myself, we would like to welcome everyone to the island we've been on since around 2023.

My current opinion on Khris is actually about the same as it was since 2023, he's cooked in terms of ever being anything close to his old all-star self.

But I think he can still be a contributor in a 6th man type of role.

It was a brave stance than and its a brave stance now

rilamann 2023: I think Khris is cooked if you think he can return to all star form, but he can still be a nice 6th man.

The board: rilamann, you're a pessimistic jerk.

rilamann 2025: I think Khris is cooked if you think he can return to all star form, but he can still be a nice 6th man.

The board: rilamann, you're an optimistic jerk.

[jschligs]

I was about to say, on behalf of PP and myself, we would like to welcome everyone to the island we've been on since around 2023.

My current opinion on Khris is actually about the same as it was since 2023, he's cooked in terms of ever being anything close to his old all-star self.

But I think he can still be a contributor in a 6th man type of role.

It was a brave stance than and its a brave stance now

rilamann 2023: I think Khris is cooked if you think he can return to all star form, but he can still be a nice 6th man.

The board: rilamann, you're a pessimistic jerk.

rilamann 2025: I think Khris is cooked if you think he can return to all star form, but he can still be a nice 6th man.

The board: rilamann, you're an optimistic jerk.

Essentially you're just a jerk no matter how you slice it