Obi to Detroit?

[eitanr]

Obi Toppin, I. Jackson (out through year-end, but an expiring to make trade cleaner)
FOR
THJ

WIth all the major rumors swirling, how about we dive into a minor name on the market and why he may make sense in Detroit.

The Pacers have been rumored per wiretap to prefer moving Obi now vs. needing to attached assets to him and move him in the off-season. Moving Obi for an expiring now would allow Indiana to get from under that 2nd apron come off-season.

Detroit is able to absorb contracts but has an enticing expiring in THJ. Obi Toppin would make sense for Detroit given the future of Detroit's youth mainly plays 1-3 and needs the ball in their hand to be successful: Cade, Ivey, Thompson, Holland Jr. By essentially swapping a space 2 for a spacing 4 Detroit now has better roster construction to eventually allow more minutes for the aforementioned youth at the guard slots and would allow them a cleaner grouping of spacing forwards in Obi, Harris, Simone to match with.

Obi's rebounding and defense is a concern, but he could also be matched in a starting unit with Thompson and Duren to mitigate those concerns. Furthermore he adds more spacing for Cade to be even more effective against smaller guards:

C Duren/ Stewart
PF Toppin/ Simone
SF Harris/ Holland Jr/ Moore
SG Thompson/ Beasley
PG Cade/ Sasser
IR Ivey, Jackson

[Texas Chuck]

I would assume this would make more sense without THJ/Jackson and just let Detroit use space to take Toppin. I also think Indy is due some value back.

I also think Indy would look to dump salary this summer and keep useful players for a playoff run.

Don't hate the target for Detroit, but I think you have to give Indy some reason to trade him now.

[psman2]

1st Indy is not going to enter the tax for this, needs to shed more money than they are sending out since they are right below the tax. I think the next biggest issue is here is that Det needs THJ shooting at SG more than Toppin at PF for the current playoff run. Also Harris doesn't play SF, hasn't in years. Thompson is not really a SG either. I don't think the roster needs both Simone and Toppin making decent change to manly backup Harris at PF. So if the trade could have Simone outgoing for maybe a dead expiring like a Tucker to Indy and maybe a 2nd or two from Det. Indy could then maybe extend the trade to find someone more useful than Tucker that is also expiring using those few 2nds.

edit....missed IJAX..

[ReggiesKnicks]

We would never enter the Tax for this. That's basic trade understanding 101.

The scenario I could see is if Detroit or Utah or another team well below the tax gets into one of the larger deals as a 3rd team to eat salary, we flip Obi into one of the teams moving a big piece like Fox, Butler, LaVine or Beal.

[Scoot McGroot]

I would assume this would make more sense without THJ/Jackson and just let Detroit use space to take Toppin. I also think Indy is due some value back.

I also think Indy would look to dump salary this summer and keep useful players for a playoff run.

Don't hate the target for Detroit, but I think you have to give Indy some reason to trade him now.

Obi Toppin for Bobi Klintman. Call it in.

[Billl]

pass from the pistons. Obi is a decent bench player but we need shooting in the starting lineup. And frankly, don't really want to take back long term salary for anyone who isn't a needle mover. Plus, with stewart here already, that would be 2 backup bigs making just too much money combined. As Indi is rapidly finding out, you just can't pay all your bench guys 15M under the new cap rules. That's true 100x for teams still trying to fill out some long terms starters.

[eitanr]

pass from the pistons. Obi is a decent bench player but we need shooting in the starting lineup. And frankly, don't really want to take back long term salary for anyone who isn't a needle mover. Plus, with stewart here already, that would be 2 backup bigs making just too much money combined. As Indi is rapidly finding out, you just can't pay all your bench guys 15M under the new cap rules. That's true 100x for teams still trying to fill out some long terms starters.

The numbers when Obi started though for Indiana are extremely interesting. I do believe you would start Obi post this trade, have that extra spacing and help progress Cade and Thompson.

The trade idea is based on the rumor that Indiana wants to move Obi specifically for an expiring deal vs. moving him in the off-season and needing to attach an asset.

[Scoot McGroot]

I would assume this would make more sense without THJ/Jackson and just let Detroit use space to take Toppin. I also think Indy is due some value back.

I also think Indy would look to dump salary this summer and keep useful players for a playoff run.

Don't hate the target for Detroit, but I think you have to give Indy some reason to trade him now.

Obi Toppin for Bobi Klintman. Call it in.

Maybe makes more sense if someone has a $8-10m expiring and would take on Fontecchio, which is sent to Indy? So it’s more cap space neutral for Detroit?

[Billl]

pass from the pistons. Obi is a decent bench player but we need shooting in the starting lineup. And frankly, don't really want to take back long term salary for anyone who isn't a needle mover. Plus, with stewart here already, that would be 2 backup bigs making just too much money combined. As Indi is rapidly finding out, you just can't pay all your bench guys 15M under the new cap rules. That's true 100x for teams still trying to fill out some long terms starters.

The numbers when Obi started though for Indiana are extremely interesting. I do believe you would start Obi post this trade, have that extra spacing and help progress Cade and Thompson.

The trade idea is based on the rumor that Indiana wants to move Obi specifically for an expiring deal vs. moving him in the off-season and needing to attach an asset.

We absolutely would not start Obi ahead of Tobias. And Obi does not provide spacing. He's a low volume 35% 3 point shooter.

[basketballwacko2]

Obi Toppin, I. Jackson (out through year-end, but an expiring to make trade cleaner)
FOR
THJ

WIth all the major rumors swirling, how about we dive into a minor name on the market and why he may make sense in Detroit.

The Pacers have been rumored per wiretap to prefer moving Obi now vs. needing to attached assets to him and move him in the off-season. Moving Obi for an expiring now would allow Indiana to get from under that 2nd apron come off-season.

Detroit is able to absorb contracts but has an enticing expiring in THJ. Obi Toppin would make sense for Detroit given the future of Detroit's youth mainly plays 1-3 and needs the ball in their hand to be successful: Cade, Ivey, Thompson, Holland Jr. By essentially swapping a space 2 for a spacing 4 Detroit now has better roster construction to eventually allow more minutes for the aforementioned youth at the guard slots and would allow them a cleaner grouping of spacing forwards in Obi, Harris, Simone to match with.

Obi's rebounding and defense is a concern, but he could also be matched in a starting unit with Thompson and Duren to mitigate those concerns. Furthermore he adds more spacing for Cade to be even more effective against smaller guards:

C Duren/ Stewart
PF Toppin/ Simone
SF Harris/ Holland Jr/ Moore
SG Thompson/ Beasley
PG Cade/ Sasser
IR Ivey, Jackson

THJ makes $16.2 million Toppin makes $12.9 million that's $3.3 million too much, it puts the Pacers in the tax this season. That costs the Pacers the "non tax payer" rebate which may be $20 million, plus the tax they'll pay and a useful player for another 6'5'' guy which they have plenty of them already.

If the Pistons would do Bobby Klintman for Toppin and 2 2nds I'll do that. Plus some cash if you want. Klintman was rumored to be a target of the Pacers in the draft but then they traded out of the 2024 draft.

[Scoot McGroot]

pass from the pistons. Obi is a decent bench player but we need shooting in the starting lineup. And frankly, don't really want to take back long term salary for anyone who isn't a needle mover. Plus, with stewart here already, that would be 2 backup bigs making just too much money combined. As Indi is rapidly finding out, you just can't pay all your bench guys 15M under the new cap rules. That's true 100x for teams still trying to fill out some long terms starters.

The numbers when Obi started though for Indiana are extremely interesting. I do believe you would start Obi post this trade, have that extra spacing and help progress Cade and Thompson.

The trade idea is based on the rumor that Indiana wants to move Obi specifically for an expiring deal vs. moving him in the off-season and needing to attach an asset.

We absolutely would not start Obi ahead of Tobias. And Obi does not provide spacing. He's a low volume 35% 3 point shooter.

In his Indy career, he’s a 38.5% 3 pt shooter on 7.3 attempts per 100 possessions. He’d be 7th on your roster in 3 pt attempts per 100 (of all the non two way guys). Smack dab between Ivey and Harris in terms of 3 pt attempts.

Part of the reason for low volume is the low minutes since Indy acquired Siakam. But he’s been surprisingly decent there.

For Indy, Obi needs to lose minutes with the emergence of Jarace Walker.

[psman2]

Obi Toppin, I. Jackson (out through year-end, but an expiring to make trade cleaner)
FOR
THJ

WIth all the major rumors swirling, how about we dive into a minor name on the market and why he may make sense in Detroit.

The Pacers have been rumored per wiretap to prefer moving Obi now vs. needing to attached assets to him and move him in the off-season. Moving Obi for an expiring now would allow Indiana to get from under that 2nd apron come off-season.

Detroit is able to absorb contracts but has an enticing expiring in THJ. Obi Toppin would make sense for Detroit given the future of Detroit's youth mainly plays 1-3 and needs the ball in their hand to be successful: Cade, Ivey, Thompson, Holland Jr. By essentially swapping a space 2 for a spacing 4 Detroit now has better roster construction to eventually allow more minutes for the aforementioned youth at the guard slots and would allow them a cleaner grouping of spacing forwards in Obi, Harris, Simone to match with.

Obi's rebounding and defense is a concern, but he could also be matched in a starting unit with Thompson and Duren to mitigate those concerns. Furthermore he adds more spacing for Cade to be even more effective against smaller guards:

C Duren/ Stewart
PF Toppin/ Simone
SF Harris/ Holland Jr/ Moore
SG Thompson/ Beasley
PG Cade/ Sasser
IR Ivey, Jackson

THJ makes $16.2 million Toppin makes $12.9 million that's $3.3 million too much, it puts the Pacers in the tax this season. That costs the Pacers the "non tax payer" rebate which may be $20 million, plus the tax they'll pay and a useful player for another 6'5'' guy which they have plenty of them already.

If the Pistons would do Bobby Klintman for Topping and 2 2nds I'll do that. Plus some cash if you want. Klintman was rumored to be a target of the Pacers in the draft but then they traded out of the 2024 draft.

IJax makes this 17.4m outgoing for Indy. My mind just skipped over IJAX inclusion like he didn't exist when I glanced at the OP too.

[psman2]

The numbers when Obi started though for Indiana are extremely interesting. I do believe you would start Obi post this trade, have that extra spacing and help progress Cade and Thompson.

The trade idea is based on the rumor that Indiana wants to move Obi specifically for an expiring deal vs. moving him in the off-season and needing to attach an asset.

We absolutely would not start Obi ahead of Tobias. And Obi does not provide spacing. He's a low volume 35% 3 point shooter.

In his Indy career, he’s a 38.5% 3 pt shooter on 7.3 attempts per 100 possessions. He’d be 7th on your roster in 3 pt attempts per 100 (of all the non two way guys). Smack dab between Ivey and Harris in terms of 3 pt attempts.

Part of the reason for low volume is the low minutes since Indy acquired Siakam. But he’s been surprisingly decent there.

For Indy, Obi needs to lose minutes with the emergence of Jarace Walker.

Still don't think Det wants any part of Harris playing big minutes at SF and Obi wouldn't not start for them. Obi would likely stay a 20 minute reserve in Det just like he has been in Indy.

[oldncreaky]

I would assume this would make more sense without THJ/Jackson and just let Detroit use space to take Toppin. I also think Indy is due some value back.

I also think Indy would look to dump salary this summer and keep useful players for a playoff run.

Don't hate the target for Detroit, but I think you have to give Indy some reason to trade him now.

Obi Toppin for Bobi Klintman. Call it in.

I am one of the DET fans who'd like Obi in DET; he's a good skill mix with our mostly non-shooting Cs and athletic bricklaying young SFs

I'd give a couple of SRPs for Obi, and if Indy wanted (raw-as-sushi) Klintman instead of one of those SRPs, that's fine too

That said, with the injuries, I'm sure Indy wants Obi for this year's play-off run. Maybe in June?

[basketballwacko2]

Obi Toppin, I. Jackson (out through year-end, but an expiring to make trade cleaner)
FOR
THJ

WIth all the major rumors swirling, how about we dive into a minor name on the market and why he may make sense in Detroit.

The Pacers have been rumored per wiretap to prefer moving Obi now vs. needing to attached assets to him and move him in the off-season. Moving Obi for an expiring now would allow Indiana to get from under that 2nd apron come off-season.

Detroit is able to absorb contracts but has an enticing expiring in THJ. Obi Toppin would make sense for Detroit given the future of Detroit's youth mainly plays 1-3 and needs the ball in their hand to be successful: Cade, Ivey, Thompson, Holland Jr. By essentially swapping a space 2 for a spacing 4 Detroit now has better roster construction to eventually allow more minutes for the aforementioned youth at the guard slots and would allow them a cleaner grouping of spacing forwards in Obi, Harris, Simone to match with.

Obi's rebounding and defense is a concern, but he could also be matched in a starting unit with Thompson and Duren to mitigate those concerns. Furthermore he adds more spacing for Cade to be even more effective against smaller guards:

C Duren/ Stewart
PF Toppin/ Simone
SF Harris/ Holland Jr/ Moore
SG Thompson/ Beasley
PG Cade/ Sasser
IR Ivey, Jackson

THJ makes $16.2 million Toppin makes $12.9 million that's $3.3 million too much, it puts the Pacers in the tax this season. That costs the Pacers the "non tax payer" rebate which may be $20 million, plus the tax they'll pay and a useful player for another 6'5'' guy which they have plenty of them already.

If the Pistons would do Bobby Klintman for Topping and 2 2nds I'll do that. Plus some cash if you want. Klintman was rumored to be a target of the Pacers in the draft but then they traded out of the 2024 draft.

IJax makes this 17.4m outgoing for Indy. My mind just skipped over IJAX inclusion like he didn't exist when I glanced at the OP too.

You're right I totally spaced it. I'd like to keep Jackson and try to bring him back on a 1+1 to see how much he's recovered in the next season.

[Wizop]

Pistons are in position to make the play-in. I can't see them dumping a starter. Obi for Klinkman or Fonteccio is a possibility though.

[tmorgan]

I actually like Obi for Detroit a lot. Not for THJ, though, unless we’re packing it in, in which case fine, more minutes for Holland.

Assuming we’re still trying to win, Fontecchio makes the most sense.

I’d make that low-effort bum Tobias earn his minutes or get benched. Obi might be sketchy on defense, but at least he’s not low effort from whst I’ve seen.

[Snakebites]

I would assume this would make more sense without THJ/Jackson and just let Detroit use space to take Toppin. I also think Indy is due some value back.

I also think Indy would look to dump salary this summer and keep useful players for a playoff run.

Don't hate the target for Detroit, but I think you have to give Indy some reason to trade him now.

Obi Toppin for Bobi Klintman. Call it in.

Maybe makes more sense if someone has a $8-10m expiring and would take on Fontecchio, which is sent to Indy? So it’s more cap space neutral for Detroit?

Dunno if you could get a third team on that, but I'd do this.

THJ/Tobias has quietely become the worst starting forward combination the last few weeks so something really should be done.

[Kalamazoo317]

I'd do Obi for Fontecchio.

[vege]

I'd do Obi for Fontecchio.

This is the only deal that makes any sense for both teams.

I don't like Obi tho, he's really bad on defense, but he is an upgrade over the current version of Fontecchio, who doesn't fit what JB is doing.