Free Agent, (Trade), Buyout, Extension & Conversion Thread, 2025

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We trade Tillman and the #27 and #31 picks for 4 months of Yabusele?

Seems like a lot. We traded #16 for five years of Al Horford and OKC took back $60 million bad Kemba money.

Hoophype's Mike Scotto's proposed Celtics deal:

Celtics receive: Guerschon Yabusele

Sixers receive: Celtics 2025 lottery-protected first-round pick

Pistons receive: Xavier Tillman, 2025 second-round pick that's most favorable between Washington, Golden State, Detroit, or Dallas (from Boston)

[djFan71]

We trade Tillman and the #27 and #31 picks for 4 months of Yabusele?

Seems like a lot.

Hoophype's Mike Scotto's proposed Celtics deal:

Celtics receive: Guerschon Yabusele

Sixers receive: Celtics 2025 lottery-protected first-round pick

Pistons receive: Xavier Tillman, 2025 second-round pick that's most favorable between Washington, Golden State, Detroit, or Dallas (from Boston)

Yeah, too rich for my blood. Plus, how will I waste my evenings if we trade both our picks?

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Yea, we won’t get bird rights or have an ability to re-sign Yabu after this season. The draft picks we’d be looking at two prospects under team control for potentially eight years. Plus countless hours of draft fun, research and speculation, lol…

We trade Tillman and the #27 and #31 picks for 4 months of Yabusele?

Seems like a lot.

Hoophype's Mike Scotto's proposed Celtics deal:

Celtics receive: Guerschon Yabusele

Sixers receive: Celtics 2025 lottery-protected first-round pick

Pistons receive: Xavier Tillman, 2025 second-round pick that's most favorable between Washington, Golden State, Detroit, or Dallas (from Boston)

Yeah, too rich for my blood. Plus, how will I waste my evenings if we trade both our picks?

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Warriors could be trying to get Curry some help for his last few years.

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Warriors could be trying to get Curry some help for his last few years.

I, for one, am glad they took so long to do this and wasted a few years of his prime and let us get one last year instead of cashing in on #2 pick/Wiseman and Kuminga for real help the last few years. Light years ahead!

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Okay, so quick research suggests that teams over 2nd apron can receive minimum contract players without sending anything back.
This is a newer provision, so I may not have it exactly correct. But as it applies to this trade idea it means the Celts wouldn’t have to send back any matching salary(ie., Tillman) since Yabu is a minimum guy and the Cs have an open roster spot.

The rule prohibiting second-apron teams from taking back more salary than they send out only applies when the outgoing player salary is being used for matching purposes. That means any club is allowed to acquire a player who is on a one- or two-year minimum-salary contract using the minimum salary exception.

The minimum salary exception allowance can be used on its own or as part of a larger deal. For instance, if the Suns were to send Beal ($50.2MM) to Miami in exchange for Butler ($48.8MM) and Alec Burks (who is on a minimum-salary contract with a cap hit of $2.1MM), they’d technically be taking back more total salary than they’re sending out. However, because only Beal’s salary would be used to match Butler’s, with Burks acquired “separately” using the minimum salary exception, the swap would be legal.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/12/what-each-nba-team-can-cant-do-on-the-trade-market.html

So the Tillman + pick 31 to Detroit part of the trade would not be required. Celts could theoretically just trade a pick to Philly and get back Yabu. In which case Scotto’s idea could become Celts trade #27 for Yabusele. And we keep #31.

We trade Tillman and the #27 and #31 picks for 4 months of Yabusele?

Seems like a lot.

Hoophype's Mike Scotto's proposed Celtics deal:

Celtics receive: Guerschon Yabusele

Sixers receive: Celtics 2025 lottery-protected first-round pick

Pistons receive: Xavier Tillman, 2025 second-round pick that's most favorable between Washington, Golden State, Detroit, or Dallas (from Boston)

Yeah, too rich for my blood. Plus, how will I waste my evenings if we trade both our picks?

[djFan71]

Okay, so quick research suggests that teams over 2nd apron can receive minimum contract players without sending anything back.
This is a newer provision, so I may not have it exactly correct. But as it applies to this trade idea it means the Celts wouldn’t have to send back any matching salary(ie., Tillman) since Yabu is a minimum guy and the Cs have an open roster spot.

The rule prohibiting second-apron teams from taking back more salary than they send out only applies when the outgoing player salary is being used for matching purposes. That means any club is allowed to acquire a player who is on a one- or two-year minimum-salary contract using the minimum salary exception.

The minimum salary exception allowance can be used on its own or as part of a larger deal. For instance, if the Suns were to send Beal ($50.2MM) to Miami in exchange for Butler ($48.8MM) and Alec Burks (who is on a minimum-salary contract with a cap hit of $2.1MM), they’d technically be taking back more total salary than they’re sending out. However, because only Beal’s salary would be used to match Butler’s, with Burks acquired “separately” using the minimum salary exception, the swap would be legal.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/12/what-each-nba-team-can-cant-do-on-the-trade-market.html

So the Tillman + pick 31 to Detroit part of the trade would not be required. Celts could theoretically just trade a pick to Philly and get back Yabu. In which case Scotto’s idea could become Celts trade #27 for Yabusele. And we keep #31.

We trade Tillman and the #27 and #31 picks for 4 months of Yabusele?

Seems like a lot.

Yeah, too rich for my blood. Plus, how will I waste my evenings if we trade both our picks?

Only if Joe signs in Orca blood that he'd play Yabs 10+ mpg, every game for the rest of the season and use him in the playoffs. Otherwise, just keep the pick.

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Looks like the Celtics could just give up draft capital for Yabusele or Javonte Green because they are minimum players. If that is true you could see multiple small trades for the Celtics before Feb 6th. I assume if they do a trade like that the Celtics would look to ship Springer out somewhere for tax penalty purposes.

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Okay, so quick research suggests that teams over 2nd apron can receive minimum contract players without sending anything back.
This is a newer provision, so I may not have it exactly correct. But as it applies to this trade idea it means the Celts wouldn’t have to send back any matching salary(ie., Tillman) since Yabu is a minimum guy and the Cs have an open roster spot.

The rule prohibiting second-apron teams from taking back more salary than they send out only applies when the outgoing player salary is being used for matching purposes. That means any club is allowed to acquire a player who is on a one- or two-year minimum-salary contract using the minimum salary exception.

The minimum salary exception allowance can be used on its own or as part of a larger deal. For instance, if the Suns were to send Beal ($50.2MM) to Miami in exchange for Butler ($48.8MM) and Alec Burks (who is on a minimum-salary contract with a cap hit of $2.1MM), they’d technically be taking back more total salary than they’re sending out. However, because only Beal’s salary would be used to match Butler’s, with Burks acquired “separately” using the minimum salary exception, the swap would be legal.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/12/what-each-nba-team-can-cant-do-on-the-trade-market.html

So the Tillman + pick 31 to Detroit part of the trade would not be required. Celts could theoretically just trade a pick to Philly and get back Yabu. In which case Scotto’s idea could become Celts trade #27 for Yabusele. And we keep #31.

We trade Tillman and the #27 and #31 picks for 4 months of Yabusele?

Seems like a lot.

Yeah, too rich for my blood. Plus, how will I waste my evenings if we trade both our picks?

Yeah that was hopelessly rich for Detroit. Giving up a top-35 pick to dump a min salary guy that can actually play a tiny bit at times is silly.

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I could see Lavine suddenly playing really well after a trade to GS. God that would be infuriating as a Bulls fan lol glad we aren’t in that predicament.

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We trade Tillman and the #27 and #31 picks for 4 months of Yabusele?

Seems like a lot. We traded #16 for five years of Al Horford and OKC took back $60 million bad Kemba money.

Hoophype's Mike Scotto's proposed Celtics deal:

Celtics receive: Guerschon Yabusele

Sixers receive: Celtics 2025 lottery-protected first-round pick

Pistons receive: Xavier Tillman, 2025 second-round pick that's most favorable between Washington, Golden State, Detroit, or Dallas (from Boston)

Might only be 2 (or 2.5 months) of Yabusele but I like your optimism that we're going to be playing in the NBA finals

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I could see Lavine suddenly playing really well after a trade to GS. God that would be infuriating as a Bulls fan lol glad we aren’t in that predicament.

I mean LaVine is playing really well now offensively. 24/4.5/4.5 with 51% shooting and 45% 3PT shooting. Of course he doesn't play a lick of defense. Sounds like he will fit right in with Golden State.

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Looks like the Celtics could just give up draft capital for Yabusele or Javonte Green because they are minimum players. If that is true you could see multiple small trades for the Celtics before Feb 6th. I assume if they do a trade like that the Celtics would look to ship Springer out somewhere for tax penalty purposes.

Or just trade for Yabusele but keep Springer.

I'm not convinced that I would trade Springer for Javonte - especially if the shooting (35.3% this season for Springer..41% if we include preseason & summer league in the sample) is real for Springer.

Sure, there's some tax savings. But both guys are defensive minded wings, similar in size with some offensive limitations. Both on expiring contracts. Springer will be a RFA, whereas Javonte will be a UFA so we'd have a better chance to resign Springer.

Javonte is 31 yrs old, had a recent knee surgery. Springer is 22.

And if we do land Yabusele, then he will get some mins and is helping to improve the bench. So therefore it matters less who we have in that spot (springer or Javonte) and any upgrade it might be from Springer to Javonte, it's not really moving the needle as much since there would be less of a need/opportunity for that player to contribute as much if we added yabusele.

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Looks like the Celtics could just give up draft capital for Yabusele or Javonte Green because they are minimum players. If that is true you could see multiple small trades for the Celtics before Feb 6th. I assume if they do a trade like that the Celtics would look to ship Springer out somewhere for tax penalty purposes.

Or just trade for Yabusele but keep Springer.

I'm not convinced that I would trade Springer for Javonte - especially if the shooting (35.3% this season for Springer..41% if we include preseason & summer league in the sample) is real for Springer.

Sure, there's some tax savings. But both guys are defensive minded wings, similar in size with some offensive limitations. Both on expiring contracts. Springer will be a RFA, whereas Javonte will be a UFA so we'd have a better chance to resign Springer.

Javonte is 31 yrs old, had a recent knee surgery. Springer is 22.

And if we do land Yabusele, then he will get some mins and is helping to improve the bench. So therefore it matters less who we have in that spot (springer or Javonte) and any upgrade it might be from Springer to Javonte, it's not really moving the needle as much since there would be less of a need/opportunity for that player to contribute as much if we added yabusele.

Tillman straight for Theis/Green and call it a day.

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I think we should keep Springer. I know this goes against everything I have posted here) but he is only 22, very good on defense and his three-point shot has improved over the last few games. With that being said, I have been very disappointed in Tillman. If we are going to attach a pick to someone, I would lean toward Tillman for another PF. However, I would not attach our first AND our second.

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The truth about Springer will be known in 5 days.

Reason why I'm asking for an upgrade over Sam Hauser is the Celts need someone who can score on fast breaks and attack the rim in half-court sets.

Numerous times we've seen PP and Sam waste fast break opportunities because they can't play above the rim.

It can't be all shooters on the floor at the same time.

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Who knows? The new CBA is so restrictive that I wouldn't be surprised if it took 5-6 teams just to get a deal done. Adam Silver knows how to suck the fun out of the NBA.

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Things are starting to heat up. Jaden Springer for Dalton Knecht could be close.