2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III

[bullsaficianado]

Heat should've taken Suns offer long time ago and run with it. There is no other ret*rded FO to give them anything of value for last payday Butler.

These Bogi rumors make zero sense if Allen is not on the trade block. Solves nothing for this team.

Beal is a huge Wade fan. They should do it. I know they don't like his contract but having a player that wants to be there would be worth it for them.

[BobbieL]

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How can you have a firm offer without including Beal which isn’t a firm offer.

They likely spoke to Beal and he said he would waive his NTC to go to Miami. He originally wanted to go there. That is likely why the Suns have a firm offer. Beal and 3 1st's for Butler.

So you think that if the Suns trade for Jimmy Butler - they will get to the NBA Finals. Is that why you would give up three FRPs to get Butler and dump Beal

[bullsaficianado]

How can you have a firm offer without including Beal which isn’t a firm offer.

They likely spoke to Beal and he said he would waive his NTC to go to Miami. He originally wanted to go there. That is likely why the Suns have a firm offer. Beal and 3 1st's for Butler.

So you think that if the Suns trade for Jimmy Butler - they will get to the NBA Finals. Is that why you would give up three FRPs to get Butler and dump Beal

No NBA title is ever guaranteed. They have to give up the 3 1st's because of Beal's controlling contract. It's the only way it would be worth it for Miami.

[BobbieL]

They likely spoke to Beal and he said he would waive his NTC to go to Miami. He originally wanted to go there. That is likely why the Suns have a firm offer. Beal and 3 1st's for Butler.

So you think that if the Suns trade for Jimmy Butler - they will get to the NBA Finals. Is that why you would give up three FRPs to get Butler and dump Beal

No NBA title is ever guaranteed. They have to give up the 3 1st's because of Beal's controlling contract. It's the only way it would be worth it for Miami.

Seriously - what round do you think Jimmy Butler - if added to the Suns - can take you?

My thing - if you can't win an NBA Title - why do it? Especially at the cost of what little future you have.

And I don't care about Miami - they can just deal with Butler - this is the Suns -- I am still trying to figure out why it makes sense for the Suns. Butler is not going to put them over the top. Butler just wants to sign an extension so he can just make an easy $110m off Ishbia

[Dr Manute]

Heat should've taken Suns offer long time ago and run with it. There is no other ret*rded FO to give them anything of value for last payday Butler.

These Bogi rumors make zero sense if Allen is not on the trade block. Solves nothing for this team.

Time for the Suns to lower their offer - Beal and only one first now.

[Puff]

I don't know what is keeping Beal from dropping his NTC to go somewhere else.

He has been benched by the Coach and a minimum salary midget has been guaranteed his starting position to play PG. His replacement really does not play a traditional PG role, which is what we wanted, right. This coach has managed to turn a 49 win team, that acquired better players in the off season, into a freaking mess. If I were Beal, I would be all over getting out of town, virtually wherever that might be. How can he be happy playing on this team?

[BobbieL]

Heat should've taken Suns offer long time ago and run with it. There is no other ret*rded FO to give them anything of value for last payday Butler.

These Bogi rumors make zero sense if Allen is not on the trade block. Solves nothing for this team.

Time for the Suns to lower their offer - Beal and only one first now.

That would the max offer for Butler. It always has been. As long as Ishbia doesn't extend him. But this is the most the Suns should offer. If only one team has offered anything - why offer anything above the bare minimum

BWG laid it out - that late FRP that becomes two 2nds is all he is worth.

I still don't want him as even if they got him straight up for Beal - Ishbia would probably extend him anyway - which would be a disaster.

[bwgood77]

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Six days

I still think Ishbia is going to do something really stupid
might be all three FRPs plus Ryan Dunn to another team for a pick to get Butler. so 4 FRPs

Makes me think of us being up by 1 against Detroit or someone back in the day with the ball out of bounds with a few second left, with Brandon Knight inbounding and me yelling "all you have to do is NOT turn it over"

and we lost....after a turnover on the inbound.

[bullsaficianado]

So you think that if the Suns trade for Jimmy Butler - they will get to the NBA Finals. Is that why you would give up three FRPs to get Butler and dump Beal

No NBA title is ever guaranteed. They have to give up the 3 1st's because of Beal's controlling contract. It's the only way it would be worth it for Miami.

Seriously - what round do you think Jimmy Butler - if added to the Suns - can take you?

My thing - if you can't win an NBA Title - why do it? Especially at the cost of what little future you have.

And I don't care about Miami - they can just deal with Butler - this is the Suns -- I am still trying to figure out why it makes sense for the Suns. Butler is not going to put them over the top. Butler just wants to sign an extension so he can just make an easy $110m off Ishbia

I know about the Suns future and giving up those picks but they are in win now mode.

Beal is just not a good fit with Booker and KD. It's not a slap on Beal dude can ball but he would be better with Miami.

Butler is the perfect piece the Suns need to win now.

[TeamTragic]

Ishbia calling Riley's bluff because nobody is wasting assets on a player that will not resign.

Same with Fox. Why would the Spurs waste any assets when they can just sign him in FA?

[sunsbg]

Bud has been a huge disappointment indeed. The team runs same **** ISO offense like under Vogel and he's making players disgruntled just like Monty.

[Puff]

Not that I'd ever suggest here but if Fox gets traded to the Spurs, they probably buy Chris Paul out. The Lakers are missing any semblance of a PG or backcourt leader I guess.

** Trade Nurkic/ 1st for Paul/ Champagnie/ Mamukelashvili/ 2nd.

I would love to have CP3 back. That would be worth it. Bring Tyus off the bench.

Spurs like international players so that would be a Spurs move to trade for Nurkic.

How will point Book, no longer an all star, deal with no longer being a Point Guard. Our worthless coach will order Cp3 to just bring the ball up and pass it to either KD or Book and they will take care of business.

[bwgood77]

The best part of the season so far is reading everyone’s posts about trades.

The worst part of the season is actually turning on the TV to witness this lifeless team lead by a star and two wannabe stars (one them is entitled and the other is a model player who never complains but is subject to all the trade rumors).

Not sure what to do when the trade deadline hits and there will be nothing to talk about except how we can rebuild in the offseason.

I can't wait until the trade deadline passes, not necessarily because the Suns will be more fun to watch, however, I will say even if they made no moves, that I think just with that behind them and the rumors gone, the basketball would probably get better.

I'm very certain there are probably at least 20, maybe 25 teams/GMs that can't wait for the trade deadline to pass so Ishbia (or other Suns staff) will stop calling them every day.

[BobbieL]

No NBA title is ever guaranteed. They have to give up the 3 1st's because of Beal's controlling contract. It's the only way it would be worth it for Miami.

Seriously - what round do you think Jimmy Butler - if added to the Suns - can take you?

My thing - if you can't win an NBA Title - why do it? Especially at the cost of what little future you have.

And I don't care about Miami - they can just deal with Butler - this is the Suns -- I am still trying to figure out why it makes sense for the Suns. Butler is not going to put them over the top. Butler just wants to sign an extension so he can just make an easy $110m off Ishbia

I know about the Suns future and giving up those picks but they are in win now mode.

Beal is just not a good fit with Booker and KD. It's not a slap on Beal dude can ball but he would be better with Miami.

Butler is the perfect piece the Suns need to win now.

I understand the Win Mode now but the Suns aren't going to win - even with Butler
Thats why I think its stupid.

If I seriously thought Butler was the "key piece" - I would understand it. But he isn't.

[BobbieL]

Ishbia calling Riley's bluff because nobody is wasting assets on a player that will not resign.

Same with Fox. Why would the Spurs waste any assets when they can just sign him in FA?

Fox is in the prime of his career - so that might make sense for the Spurs. Granted, you are correct - in one more year, they could get him in FA

Butler is at the tail end -- doesn't make sense to waste a bunch of assets on - especially if the Suns are the only team to offer him a job

[bullsaficianado]

Ishbia calling Riley's bluff because nobody is wasting assets on a player that will not resign.

Same with Fox. Why would the Spurs waste any assets when they can just sign him in FA?

Spurs should go all in now. Plenty can change when players get into the offseason. Maybe Fox pivots toward the Heat.

They have the assets, get him now.

[TeamTragic]

Ishbia calling Riley's bluff because nobody is wasting assets on a player that will not resign.

Same with Fox. Why would the Spurs waste any assets when they can just sign him in FA?

Spurs should go all in now. Plenty can change when players get into the offseason. Maybe Fox pivots toward the Heat.

They have the assets, get him now.

Sorry. That is not how Pop handles business.

[DirtyDez]

I don't know what is keeping Beal from dropping his NTC to go somewhere else.

He has been benched by the Coach and a minimum salary midget has been guaranteed his starting position to play PG. His replacement really does not play a traditional PG role, which is what we wanted, right. This coach has managed to turn a 49 win team, that acquired better players in the off season, into a freaking mess. If I were Beal, I would be all over getting out of town, virtually wherever that might be. How can he be happy playing on this team?

Maybe he and his family just like the valley? I mean dude was on the Wizards for a decade so you can’t bully him with dysfunction…

The Suns accepted the trade knowing he controls everything. Blame the Suns.

[TeamTragic]

Ishbia calling Riley's bluff because nobody is wasting assets on a player that will not resign.

Same with Fox. Why would the Spurs waste any assets when they can just sign him in FA?

Fox is in the prime of his career - so that might make sense for the Spurs. Granted, you are correct - in one more year, they could get him in FA

Butler is at the tail end -- doesn't make sense to waste a bunch of assets on - especially if the Suns are the only team to offer him a job

Why is Riley acting like he will get a better offer than Beal/3 FRP?

[BobbieL]

I don't know what is keeping Beal from dropping his NTC to go somewhere else.

He has been benched by the Coach and a minimum salary midget has been guaranteed his starting position to play PG. His replacement really does not play a traditional PG role, which is what we wanted, right. This coach has managed to turn a 49 win team, that acquired better players in the off season, into a freaking mess. If I were Beal, I would be all over getting out of town, virtually wherever that might be. How can he be happy playing on this team?

Maybe he and his family just like the valley? I mean dude was on the Wizards for a decade so you can’t bully him with dysfunction…

The Suns accepted the trade knowing he controls everything. Blame the Suns.

I don't blame Beal at all