The Rob Dillingham Thread

[TimberKat]

Specially if he speak each time after Rudy TO the ball. As Rudy To the ball a lot

I already baked Rudy's TO into his shooting PCT. The reality is Rudy's Ast-TO is 1.7 to 1.4; Ant is 4.2 to 3.4; Naz is 1.7 to 1.2. So, doesn't he really turn over a lot more than other players?

You're comparing TO to assists, not TO to how much Rudy touches the ball. Compared to how many seconds he has the ball, he turns it over a lot.

I hope you are not asking Gobert to dribble the ball up court. I am really looking at results of a possession (or touch). The result of a player having the ball are: score, FT, miss shot, assist, turnover, pass). I am sure there is some advance metrics based on this. So the simplify model is just using shooting PCT, ast, and TO. I view his turnover as a miss shot. The bottom line is he turns over the ball 1.4 times a game and people are saying it's a lot but I think Ant and Randle turns over just as much if not more.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

The point for me is how we give the ball to Rudy, When the pass is great (Mike style, ANT improving too for that), it almost always ended with a Rudy 2 point or at least FT.
Back to Rob . i see him becoming a better version of prime Mike or a Tony Parker style of player.

[fattymcgee]

I already baked Rudy's TO into his shooting PCT. The reality is Rudy's Ast-TO is 1.7 to 1.4; Ant is 4.2 to 3.4; Naz is 1.7 to 1.2. So, doesn't he really turn over a lot more than other players?

You're comparing TO to assists, not TO to how much Rudy touches the ball. Compared to how many seconds he has the ball, he turns it over a lot.

I hope you are not asking Gobert to dribble the ball up court. I am really looking at results of a possession (or touch). The result of a player having the ball are: score, FT, miss shot, assist, turnover, pass). I am sure there is some advance metrics based on this. So the simplify model is just using shooting PCT, ast, and TO. I view his turnover as a miss shot. The bottom line is he turns over the ball 1.4 times a game and people are saying it's a lot but I think Ant and Randle turns over just as much if not more.

What the hell are you talking about? Where did i day I want him taking the ball up the court?
I said he turns it over alot, hence he shouldn't be touching the ball a lot.

I've seen multiple instances lately of him trying to take rebounds from teammates and knocking the ball out of bounds. His hands are stone.

It sounds like I'm totally bashing him, but i do like Rudy. His main flaws are his hands, finishing when he's not under the hoop, and FT%. I believe all his positive attributes more than make uo for these deficiencies, but offense should not run through him. He is a finisher, not a distributor or ball handler.

[TimberKat]

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You're comparing TO to assists, not TO to how much Rudy touches the ball. Compared to how many seconds he has the ball, he turns it over a lot.

I hope you are not asking Gobert to dribble the ball up court. I am really looking at results of a possession (or touch). The result of a player having the ball are: score, FT, miss shot, assist, turnover, pass). I am sure there is some advance metrics based on this. So the simplify model is just using shooting PCT, ast, and TO. I view his turnover as a miss shot. The bottom line is he turns over the ball 1.4 times a game and people are saying it's a lot but I think Ant and Randle turns over just as much if not more.

What the hell are you talking about? Where did i day I want him taking the ball up the court?
I said he turns it over alot, hence he shouldn't be touching the ball a lot.

I've seen multiple instances lately of him trying to take rebounds from teammates and knocking the ball out of bounds. His hands are stone.

It sounds like I'm totally bashing him, but i do like Rudy. His main flaws are his hands, finishing when he's not under the hoop, and FT%. I believe all his positive attributes more than make uo for these deficiencies, but offense should not run through him. He is a finisher, not a distributor or ball handler.

You said "Compared to how many seconds he has the ball, he turns it over a lot." If Ant brings the ball up and dribble it for 15 seconds and turn it over. That is 1/15 sec. If Gobert catches the ball down low, hold it for one second and turn it over. That is 1/1 sec. By your statement, Ant is 15 times better. The reality is they both are 1 TO per 1 procession (touch). So anyone who dribbles a lot will turnover less according to you statement. So I propose we ask Gobert to bring the ball up to cut down his TO per time rate

[Klomp]

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[life_saver]

Dillingham's shooting % are pretty encouraging...usually rookie guards have poor shooting splits

[Klomp]

Per-36 numbers
18.9 points (.514 / .500 / .400), 3.4 rebounds, 7.0 assists, 4.4 turnovers, 0.9 steals (in 253 minutes) - Rob Dillingham
10.3 points (.315 / .274 / .833), 4.0 rebounds, 3.7 assists, 1.9 turnovers, 1.7 steals (in 360 minutes) - Reed Sheppard

[jpatrick]

Per-36 numbers
18.9 points (.514 / .500 / .400), 3.4 rebounds, 7.0 assists, 4.4 turnovers, 0.9 steals (in 253 minutes) - Rob Dillingham
10.3 points (.315 / .274 / .833), 4.0 rebounds, 3.7 assists, 1.9 turnovers, 1.7 steals (in 360 minutes) - Reed Sheppard

I will say, I’m surprised Sheppard hasn’t done more. I would have taken him first overall. He was absolutely dominating in his short g-league run but has struggled in the NBA. I still think he’ll turn it around.

I really hope Dilly can learn defensive tips from Conley. His offense will always be there, key for him to becoming a consistent positive is to not be a liability on the other end. Even an average defender would be fine.

[Klomp]

I really hope Dilly can learn defensive tips from Conley. His offense will always be there, key for him to becoming a consistent positive is to not be a liability on the other end. Even an average defender would be fine.

I think the defensive infrastructure around him adds an extra level of protection to where it becomes a little easier for him to not be a liability.

[winforlose]

Per-36 numbers
18.9 points (.514 / .500 / .400), 3.4 rebounds, 7.0 assists, 4.4 turnovers, 0.9 steals (in 253 minutes) - Rob Dillingham
10.3 points (.315 / .274 / .833), 4.0 rebounds, 3.7 assists, 1.9 turnovers, 1.7 steals (in 360 minutes) - Reed Sheppard

This is a question not a criticism. Is there any way to filter out garbage time and give a more accurate per 36?

[ROballer]

Per-36 numbers
18.9 points (.514 / .500 / .400), 3.4 rebounds, 7.0 assists, 4.4 turnovers, 0.9 steals (in 253 minutes) - Rob Dillingham
10.3 points (.315 / .274 / .833), 4.0 rebounds, 3.7 assists, 1.9 turnovers, 1.7 steals (in 360 minutes) - Reed Sheppard

This is a question not a criticism. Is there any way to filter out garbage time and give a more accurate per 36?

What do you consider 'garbage time'?

4Q minutes in which the game is out of reach?

If that's the case, he actually had games that hurt his averages because he was sloppy in garbage time, was playing with other end of the bench guys and was trying to do too much....as all garbage time tends to do to players.


Looking at the game logs, games in which he was part of the rotation in Q's 1-3 and NOT be put in in the 4th when the game was out of reach already....while playing with the rotation guys.

My math is 18 games and 194 mins.
111 pts, 20 reb and 30 ast. 45-86 from the field, 19-36 from three.

Production per minutes extrapolated per 36 would be 20,6 ppg 3,7 rpg 5,6 apg and .523 FG / .527% 3P.


He needs to be in the rotation even at full roster health. Point. Blank. Period.

[winforlose]

Per-36 numbers
18.9 points (.514 / .500 / .400), 3.4 rebounds, 7.0 assists, 4.4 turnovers, 0.9 steals (in 253 minutes) - Rob Dillingham
10.3 points (.315 / .274 / .833), 4.0 rebounds, 3.7 assists, 1.9 turnovers, 1.7 steals (in 360 minutes) - Reed Sheppard

This is a question not a criticism. Is there any way to filter out garbage time and give a more accurate per 36?

What do you consider 'garbage time'?

4Q minutes in which the game is out of reach?

If that's the case, he actually had games that hurt his averages because he was sloppy in garbage time, was playing with other end of the bench guys and was trying to do too much....as all garbage time tends to do to players.


Looking at the game logs, games in which he was part of the rotation in Q's 1-3 and NOT be put in in the 4th when the game was out of reach already....while playing with the rotation guys.

My math is 18 games and 194 mins.
111 pts, 20 reb and 30 ast. 45-86 from the field, 19-36 from three.

Production per minutes extrapolated per 36 would be 20,6 ppg 3,7 rpg 5,6 apg and .523 FG / .527% 3P.


He needs to be in the rotation even at full roster health. Point. Blank. Period.

I agree he needs to be in the rotation. I think Mike is gonna be out for a while with his thumb anyway. Probably not the worst idea to give Mike 3 games off against weaker competition before things get crazy tough. I agree that a game being out of reach is garbage time, but I am not sure that is the way cleaning the glass and other stat formulas calculate it. I think Dilly’s defense is worse than people account for, but I think that is something you deal with to get him the reps he needs to improve. Meanwhile we need his scoring, and he needs reps trying to beat people off the dribble.

[Klomp]

Per-36 numbers
18.9 points (.514 / .500 / .400), 3.4 rebounds, 7.0 assists, 4.4 turnovers, 0.9 steals (in 253 minutes) - Rob Dillingham
10.3 points (.315 / .274 / .833), 4.0 rebounds, 3.7 assists, 1.9 turnovers, 1.7 steals (in 360 minutes) - Reed Sheppard

This is a question not a criticism. Is there any way to filter out garbage time and give a more accurate per 36?

What do you consider 'garbage time'?

4Q minutes in which the game is out of reach?

If that's the case, he actually had games that hurt his averages because he was sloppy in garbage time, was playing with other end of the bench guys and was trying to do too much....as all garbage time tends to do to players.


Looking at the game logs, games in which he was part of the rotation in Q's 1-3 and NOT be put in in the 4th when the game was out of reach already....while playing with the rotation guys.

My math is 18 games and 194 mins.
111 pts, 20 reb and 30 ast. 45-86 from the field, 19-36 from three.

Production per minutes extrapolated per 36 would be 20,6 ppg 3,7 rpg 5,6 apg and .523 FG / .527% 3P.


He needs to be in the rotation even at full roster health. Point. Blank. Period.

Similarly, I had remembered seeing this last night

Read on Twitter

[younggunsmn]

The point for me is how we give the ball to Rudy, When the pass is great (Mike style, ANT improving too for that), it almost always ended with a Rudy 2 point or at least FT.
Back to Rob . i see him becoming a better version of prime Mike or a Tony Parker style of player.

A Tony Parker who also could hit 3-pointers would be an amazing player.

[ROballer]

This is a question not a criticism. Is there any way to filter out garbage time and give a more accurate per 36?

What do you consider 'garbage time'?

4Q minutes in which the game is out of reach?

If that's the case, he actually had games that hurt his averages because he was sloppy in garbage time, was playing with other end of the bench guys and was trying to do too much....as all garbage time tends to do to players.


Looking at the game logs, games in which he was part of the rotation in Q's 1-3 and NOT be put in in the 4th when the game was out of reach already....while playing with the rotation guys.

My math is 18 games and 194 mins.
111 pts, 20 reb and 30 ast. 45-86 from the field, 19-36 from three.

Production per minutes extrapolated per 36 would be 20,6 ppg 3,7 rpg 5,6 apg and .523 FG / .527% 3P.


He needs to be in the rotation even at full roster health. Point. Blank. Period.

Similarly, I had remembered seeing this last night

Read on Twitter

Well yeah. If the narrative is "he's doing all of this in garbage time" it's flat out wrong.

He actually wasn't involved in garbage time play that much for one and as you pointed out, when he did play with the other young out of rotation guys he hurt his numbers.

He needs a fair shot at minutes, that's it.

McCain when started he was seeing zero minutes on the Sixers as well, until Nurse realized that Lowry and Gordon are arse and decided to **** the 'rookies don't play narrative'.
Until he went down for the season, he was the talk of the league amongst rookies.


And Dil is better than McCain. 10/10 times, I'd take him over.

I don't think 15 mpg is hard to find. If you overplay your rotation, injuries start to pile up(as you see with DDV and Randle).
This isn't a league in which you play 8 guys every game anymore.

[winforlose]

What do you consider 'garbage time'?

4Q minutes in which the game is out of reach?

If that's the case, he actually had games that hurt his averages because he was sloppy in garbage time, was playing with other end of the bench guys and was trying to do too much....as all garbage time tends to do to players.


Looking at the game logs, games in which he was part of the rotation in Q's 1-3 and NOT be put in in the 4th when the game was out of reach already....while playing with the rotation guys.

My math is 18 games and 194 mins.
111 pts, 20 reb and 30 ast. 45-86 from the field, 19-36 from three.

Production per minutes extrapolated per 36 would be 20,6 ppg 3,7 rpg 5,6 apg and .523 FG / .527% 3P.


He needs to be in the rotation even at full roster health. Point. Blank. Period.

Similarly, I had remembered seeing this last night

Read on Twitter

Well yeah. If the narrative is "he's doing all of this in garbage time" it's flat out wrong.

He actually wasn't involved in garbage time play that much for one and as you pointed out, when he did play with the other young out of rotation guys he hurt his numbers.

He needs a fair shot at minutes, that's it.

McCain when started he was seeing zero minutes on the Sixers as well, until Nurse realized that Lowry and Gordon are arse and decided to **** the 'rookies don't play narrative'.
Until he went down for the season, he was the talk of the league amonst rookies.


And Dil is better than McCain. 10/10 times, I'd take him over.

I don't think 15 mpg is hard to find. If you overdo your rotation, injuries start to pile up(as you see with DDV and Randle).
This isn't a league in which you play 8 guys every game anymore.

I didn’t say or imply that. I asked because I wanted a clear picture of the numbers. Plenty of rookies play in both regular and garbage minutes and that distorts the picture.

[ROballer]

Wasn't referring to you, in general.

Yes, a lot of guys do pad their stats like crazy in garbage time or 'silly season' play.

See the guys in Utah and Washington.

Dil is not in the same boat as of right now.

[winforlose]

Wasn't referring to you, in general.

Yes, a lot of guys do pad their stats like crazy in garbage time or 'silly season' play.

See the guys in Utah and Washington.

Dil is not in the same boat as of right now.

You are correct that it can go either way. Which is why it is always best to filter it out as much as possible. That is why I asked above if anyone had the non garbage time minutes. Logically a PG would be very susceptible to negative garbage time distortion because they are passing to sub rotation guys who miss open shots. This drives down assists. Meanwhile, if guys don’t catch passes they increase turnovers for the PG.

[minimus]

That's my biggest hope, that Rob is being able to use strengths of surrounding players to elevate his and their level of play. Things such as Gobert screens, Ant gravity, Randle passing, Reid quick decision making etc. Unlike many young players who look better playing against g league like competition in gleague team, I hope Rob will play better against stronger competition with NBA teammates

[minimus]

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I did not expect Rob to shoot well, because of weird footwork, but his accuracy is there