Siegel : Vuc and Lavine talks to Dubs without Wiggins

[zimpy27]

I think either player makes sense in GSW honestly. Vuc more so…

I don’t even hate the both idea (using Wiggins, hate it using Dray for GSW)… maybe selfish since Dallas would have a chance at Wiggins if it was both.

But seems like the Warriors should be the top bidder (very strongly protected first.. maybe even let them protection roll a second year, but probably not) for Vuc and the deal should be done.

I agree. GP2/Looney/SloMo/lotto protected 2025 1st (that becomes 2nds) for Vuc and Torrey Craig

Really want to move Kyle?
Move Schroeder and GP2.

Get Vucevic and THT

[Texas Chuck]

I would probably include Kuminga in a deal for LaVine/Vucevic. In fact I'd rather do that than use future picks because of the payroll.

I also struggle to understand how teams value players when extensions don't get worked out and there was no cap management need to wait(Maxey the most obvious reason one). So maybe they still value him super highly? IDK

That makes sense from a payroll/tax perspective, but I'm not sure Lavine/Vuc is even a positive value package.

How valuable is Kuminga plus all the matching salary (non Steph, Dray, Wiggins?)? Probably not much above neutral either right?

And yeah I have no idea what the actual market for Vuc and Lavine are. Both seemed like guys you'd have to pay someone to take going into this season. But they have both played better and of course time has fallen off the contracts. No idea though. Vuc seems like a reasonably safe bet. LaVine, a scary one for sure.

[TB]

Vuc is not a good basketball player and his hot shooting to start the season is already coming to an end (26% in January from 3). I just don't get at all why the Warriors would want him. No way they are getting a 1st round pick for him considering he has another 21m owed next year.

For Lavine, best I can come up with is:

Dubs get: Lavine and Phillips

Bulls get: Looney, GP2, Dennis, SLo-Mo, Buddy, 2 future 1sts

Why for Dubs: lose lots of vets, lose 2 very valuable picks, but give Steph a chance at playoffs where a closing lineup of Steph, Lavine, Wiggins, Kuminga, Dray could be pretty lethal. Phillips can help replace some minutes from everyone that left plus could be a great future 3/D.

Why for Bulls: 30 million in cap space plus moveable contracts for vets (buddy and Kyle). 2 1st rounder that could be incredible with Steph getting older.

As a Warrior fan I'd be very worried about giving up those picks for a scenario that likely doesn't move the needle enough to contend (wether its Lavine or Jimmy), but obviously Bulls would want picks... I'd hope if it did happen it got dropped to 1 future post Steph 1st rounder at most.

[Coxy]

I think either player makes sense in GSW honestly. Vuc more so…

I don’t even hate the both idea (using Wiggins, hate it using Dray for GSW)… maybe selfish since Dallas would have a chance at Wiggins if it was both.

But seems like the Warriors should be the top bidder (very strongly protected first.. maybe even let them protection roll a second year, but probably not) for Vuc and the deal should be done.

I agree. GP2/Looney/SloMo/lotto protected 2025 1st (that becomes 2nds) for Vuc and Torrey Craig

Really want to move Kyle?
Move Schroeder and GP2.

Get Vucevic and THT

Would rather move Kyle over GPII. We love GPII.

I'd pack Schroeder's bags myself.

[zimpy27]

I agree. GP2/Looney/SloMo/lotto protected 2025 1st (that becomes 2nds) for Vuc and Torrey Craig

Really want to move Kyle?
Move Schroeder and GP2.

Get Vucevic and THT

Would rather move Kyle over GPII. We love GPII.

I'd pack Schroeder's bags myself.

Schroeder and Hield then?
I think Kyles ability to playmake at size to take over some of the Green role is just valuable to GSW over next couple season

[NW]

Been a few different reports that GS and the Bulls have discussed several scenarios

LaVine alone with Wiggins
LaVine alone without Wiggins
Vucevic alone
Vucevic and LaVine (Wiggins has to be involved).

The last one is interesting as it answers a lot of things that have come up:
Vucevic is the stretch 5 Kerr’s been begging the FO for ever since Porter and Bjelica left in 2022
LaVine is the shooting and number 2 Steph needs
Both, along with Steph, gives you enough shooting to roll the dice with Kuminga starting at the 3- which he’d love, is the only scenario Kerr will play him at the 3 and it makes Lacob happy.

Cons is the worst center tandem in the history of modern NBA in TDJ and Post. Depth overall.

Much like the Jimmy Butler talk, the follow up trade after getting LaVine or Butler is almost as important as the main trade.

[Coxy]

Really want to move Kyle?
Move Schroeder and GP2.

Get Vucevic and THT

Would rather move Kyle over GPII. We love GPII.

I'd pack Schroeder's bags myself.

Schroeder and Hield then?
I think Kyles ability to playmake at size to take over some of the Green role is just valuable to GSW over next couple season

Yep that's fine. Hield is some wild bipolar type of player anyway. He'll hit 8 3's in a game and play pretty well on defence, then go 0-4 the next game and look like a prime D-Lo on defence.

[nykballa2k4]

Would be hilarious to see Shroeder traded as salary filler so soon. He has stunk for the Dubs.

Green likes him because he stood up to him in a game once.

[ChettheJet]

Just to shuffle the players in some trade machine doesn't work in the real world. The Bulls are not, just face facts, not going to trade Lavine and Vucevic and take back 7 players they have no interest in and a FRP around #23. Wise up people. It's a much better bet that it's going to involve 2-3 other teams with most giving and taking a pick, give and take some useless bench guys contracts to barely cobble something together.