Is Khris cooked?

[chonestown]

I was about to say, on behalf of PP and myself, we would like to welcome everyone to the island we've been on since around 2023.

My current opinion on Khris is actually about the same as it was since 2023, he's cooked in terms of ever being anything close to his old all-star self.

But I think he can still be a contributor in a 6th man type of role.

It was a brave stance than and its a brave stance now

rilamann 2023: I think Khris is cooked if you think he can return to all star form, but he can still be a nice 6th man.

The board: rilamann, you're a pessimistic jerk.

rilamann 2025: I think Khris is cooked if you think he can return to all star form, but he can still be a nice 6th man.

The board: rilamann, you're an optimistic jerk.

[-Jragon-]

His current role... people keep mentioning that. I made the error of thinking KM would thrive as a 6th man against backups or tired starters.. as Dame/GA sits more shots for Km... nope, I was wrong he comes in when we have a lead and it almost evaporates.. he can't RUN with the starters like AJJ but he needs all the luxuries of being able to coast as part of a studded out starting lineup. He doesn't want to run plays either.. just wants the ball for freelancing.. ship him out

[ShootingtheJ]

His current role... people keep mentioning that. I made the error of thinking KM would thrive as a 6th man against backups or tired starters.. as Dame/GA sits more shots for Km... nope, I was wrong he comes in when we have a lead and it almost evaporates.. he can't RUN with the starters like AJJ but he needs all the luxuries of being able to coast as part of a studded out starting lineup. He doesn't want to run plays either.. just wants the ball for freelancing.. ship him out

The lead actually increases when Khris is in, especially when he plays PG, but keep gaslighting people. He doesn't run plays? Then how does he get more sssists with less turnovers than our $48.7 million PG?

[Dick Tate]

[MiltownMadness]

Yeah, the way his career is ending could not have played out more predictably. Still think if we would have gotten creative, even before 2021 (gasp!) we might have more than 1 championship. We’ll never know though, and I’m fine taking an L on that take and do love Khris for what he’s meant to this franchise.

Or no championships. We don't win in 2021 without Khris Middleton.

None is defnitely possible. I just think when we look back at Giannis's career, trying to figure out how we only got 1 championship with a top 10 player of all time (and at this point, looking like one finals appearance), my prime suspect is going to be Khris Middleton for masquerading as a number 2 for 90% of it when really he's never been more than a number 3. Albeit a *GREAT number 3 that, with the stars aligning, was enough to put us over the top.

Some people are content with one, can't fault anyone for that.

Why do people try to relate everything to the Packers? NFL is not NBA. Winning 1 in the NBA without a superteam is wonderful, many never win one and guys like KG & Dirk only won 1. I think this is super poor form and we should really be eternally grateful to Giannis & Khris, I don't like twisting this into Khris being a scapegoat for no reason. Also kind of a big elephant in the room with Giannis getting injured for quite a few playoffs, even when we won it all...Khris carried to the finals with no Giannis

[MickeyDavis]

Or no championships. We don't win in 2021 without Khris Middleton.

None is defnitely possible. I just think when we look back at Giannis's career, trying to figure out how we only got 1 championship with a top 10 player of all time (and at this point, looking like one finals appearance), my prime suspect is going to be Khris Middleton for masquerading as a number 2 for 90% of it when really he's never been more than a number 3. Albeit a *GREAT number 3 that, with the stars aligning, was enough to put us over the top.

Some people are content with one, can't fault anyone for that.

Why do people try to relate everything to the Packers? NFL is not NBA. Winning 1 in the NBA without a superteam is wonderful, many never win one and guys like KG & Dirk only won 1. I think this is super poor form and we should really be eternally grateful to Giannis & Khris, I don't like twisting this into Khris being a scapegoat for no reason.

I don't see anything about the Packers/NFL above. Saying we want more than one championship with one of the GOAT isn't egregious and applies to any/every sport. The question is whether Khris can still help deliver another one as he did 4 years ago

[MiltownMadness]

None is defnitely possible. I just think when we look back at Giannis's career, trying to figure out how we only got 1 championship with a top 10 player of all time (and at this point, looking like one finals appearance), my prime suspect is going to be Khris Middleton for masquerading as a number 2 for 90% of it when really he's never been more than a number 3. Albeit a *GREAT number 3 that, with the stars aligning, was enough to put us over the top.

Some people are content with one, can't fault anyone for that.

Why do people try to relate everything to the Packers? NFL is not NBA. Winning 1 in the NBA without a superteam is wonderful, many never win one and guys like KG & Dirk only won 1. I think this is super poor form and we should really be eternally grateful to Giannis & Khris, I don't like twisting this into Khris being a scapegoat for no reason.

I don't see anything about the Packers/NFL above. Saying we want more than one championship with one of the GOAT applies to any/every sport.

Nah it's the same tired argument people use with "Only winning 2 with Favre/Rodgers for 30 years" just masqueraded in Bucks form, any clue about the NBA tells you that a top 20 guy OAT in Milwaukee does not push multiple championships in your favor in the NBA like a QB would so I know he's got football on his brain when he says that. That's not really my point at all though and I couldnt care less if he is trying to relate it to Packers, it's just poor form and a bit spoiled

[MickeyDavis]

Why do people try to relate everything to the Packers? NFL is not NBA. Winning 1 in the NBA without a superteam is wonderful, many never win one and guys like KG & Dirk only won 1. I think this is super poor form and we should really be eternally grateful to Giannis & Khris, I don't like twisting this into Khris being a scapegoat for no reason.

I don't see anything about the Packers/NFL above. Saying we want more than one championship with one of the GOAT applies to any/every sport.

Nah it's the same tired argument people use with "Only winning 2 with Favre/Rodgers for 30 years" just masqueraded in Bucks form, any clue about the NBA tells you that a top 20 guy OAT in Milwaukee does not push multiple championships in your favor in the NBA like a QB would so I know he's got football on his brain when he says that. That's not really my point at all though and I couldnt care less if he is trying to relate it to Packers, it's just poor form and a bit spoiled

Wanting to win another championship while having a generational talent is spoiled? Come on now. Of course everyone appreciates the championship we won. And if that's the only one we get with Giannis so be it. I still want to win another one don't you? Or do you not care anymore and just watch highlights from 4 years ago. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[MiltownMadness]

I don't see anything about the Packers/NFL above. Saying we want more than one championship with one of the GOAT applies to any/every sport.

Nah it's the same tired argument people use with "Only winning 2 with Favre/Rodgers for 30 years" just masqueraded in Bucks form, any clue about the NBA tells you that a top 20 guy OAT in Milwaukee does not push multiple championships in your favor in the NBA like a QB would so I know he's got football on his brain when he says that. That's not really my point at all though and I couldnt care less if he is trying to relate it to Packers, it's just poor form and a bit spoiled

Wanting to win another championship while having a generational talent is spoiled? Come on now. Of course everyone appreciates the championship we won. And if that's the only one we get with Giannis so be it. I still want to win another one don't you? Or do you not care anymore and just watch highlights from 4 years ago. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You're talking to the wrong guy man, he was using Khris as a scapegoat for only winning one so far. I was saying winning one is awesome, be grateful to Khris. Said nothing about the future and I'm probably one of the most optimistic people on here about our title chances going forward. I will call you spoiled as soon as anyone starts complaining about only winning so far and starting to point fingers, yes. Giannis has been injured many playoff runs and even was when we won.

[MickeyDavis]

Fair enough.

[Neuromancer56]

I wanted to post this poll myself, but thought better of it because new topics are usually deleted. The fact that I wanted to tells me that my brain says yes he is cooked, even though my heart doesn't want to believe it.

[Neuromancer56]

He doesn't even dribble off his foot with the same gusto he used to.

[Neuromancer56]

Never thought I’d be here but starting to think so. Although the flashes of brilliance/passing are still there. It may be more of a mental/pouting/bench thing though?

I wish this were true. He just can't move the way he used to. He's 100% cooked on defense.

[Neuromancer56]

And yet people here insist that he's the asset in a trade.

Here's some copium. He's younger than Jimmy.

[MiltownMadness]

Never thought I’d be here but starting to think so. Although the flashes of brilliance/passing are still there. It may be more of a mental/pouting/bench thing though?

I wish this were true. He just can't move the way he used to. He's 100% cooked on defense.

I'm a huge Khris guy I can even admit the defense looks ghastly. Luckily for us we are a top 5 defensive team but need help offensively, that's where Khris can come in.

[Bernman]

He's looked better on d than o lately. YMMV as to whether that's a good thing.

[MiltownMadness]

He's looked better on d than o lately. YMMV as to whether that's a good thing.

I think he got very unlucky in the Blazers game with the fouls in the first half fwiw and it just **** the whole game for him at that point, 2 of those were very iffy calls. I still want to see much more

[Neuromancer56]

What is the percent chance we get last playoffs Khris in the playoffs?

I'm curious what you all think.

30% chance he’s injured and doesn’t play
50% chance we get some meaningful contributions commensurate with a guy who is a 5-6th in your rotation
20% chance we get Indy playoffs Khris

I'd say more likely only 5% chance we get Indy playoffs Khris.

[yb90]

I don't think he is cooked yet but he will likely not bounce back this year. If he makes it through the year without injury and surgeries then I think he will have a great year next season. The problem is that the Bucks likely can't wait that long as currently constructed.

[MiltownMadness]

Khris had a pretty brutal stretch followed by an injury around this time last year and many of these similar conversations were happening. A year and two ankle surgeries later albeit, but I can't help but think back to that and cope that he's got more in the tank, just needs time