Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV

[vincecarter4pres]

Throwing a wild scenario out there:

Trae is dealt to Sacto in some form as part of the Fox mega deal, with you guys getting back a majority or maybe all your picks.

No

You have my attention.

Feels like a great scenario to reset things in Atlanta. Perfect draft to start with as well.

[kg01]

Throwing a wild scenario out there:

Trae is dealt to Sacto in some form as part of the Fox mega deal, with you guys getting back a majority or maybe all your picks.

No

You have my attention.

Jamallo wants to reset everything... again.

I am shock.

[jayu70]

No

You have my attention.

Feels like a great scenario to reset things in Atlanta. Perfect draft to start with as well.

Trading for picks back is overated. Loser mentality which rolls right into having an owner unwilling to spend. This is just more losing years ahead while 'picks' develop.

[dms269]

No

You have my attention.

Feels like a great scenario to reset things in Atlanta. Perfect draft to start with as well.

Atlanta won't have the same lotto luck this year, so the pick will end up likely being in the 5-8 range after getting rid of Trae. Ressler isn't the type to rebuild due to the potential money loss. Being a perennial play-in team is likely more favorable. Atlanta would have to make a decision, keep the current good youth and not be bad enough for a top pick (and potentially causing them to force their way out) or trade them and enter into a multi, multi-year rebuild.

It would take all 3 firsts returned plus some additional assets to get Trae.

[kg01]

You have my attention.

Feels like a great scenario to reset things in Atlanta. Perfect draft to start with as well.

Trading for picks back is overated. Loser mentality which rolls right into having an owner unwilling to spend. This is just more losing years ahead while 'picks' develop.

It's the trick bad GM's use to stay employed.

Fool the fans with all the empty boxes that maybe, could-be, 'probably won't be' as good as all the players they traded to get all the empty boxes.

[vincecarter4pres]

You have my attention.

Feels like a great scenario to reset things in Atlanta. Perfect draft to start with as well.

Atlanta won't have the same lotto luck this year, so the pick will end up likely being in the 5-8 range after getting rid of Trae. Ressler isn't the type to rebuild due to the potential money loss. Being a perennial play-in team is likely more favorable. Atlanta would have to make a decision, keep the current good youth and not be bad enough for a top pick (and potentially causing them to force their way out) or trade them and enter into a multi, multi-year rebuild.

It would take all 3 firsts returned plus some additional assets to get Trae.

You can’t say with certainty that Atlanta won’t make a top four jump again, with the current lotto odds structure.

And I don’t think Atlanta would have to trade anyone else, they aren’t going to be treadmill good after losing Trae, they’re going to have an instant bottom five roster.

Understand the owners mentality, but chances are you’re going to ship multiple high lotto picks to San An, or whoever holds them in the future even if you keep Trae now, or indefinitely.

And then what do you have to show for it?

[Jamaaliver]

Feels like a great scenario to reset things in Atlanta. Perfect draft to start with as well.

Most of our top players are under 24 years old, so the ability to add a top young talent to round out the core could see us have a Houston Rockets-like resurrection with the right young draftee(s).


The thing most outsiders don't see or agree with: The Hawks aren't TERRIBLY far from contending for a top-4 seed.

We've had a rough season dealing with multiple injuries to our top rotation players since the first week of the season.

And yet...

Read on Twitter

[vincecarter4pres]

Feels like a great scenario to reset things in Atlanta. Perfect draft to start with as well.

Trading for picks back is overated. Loser mentality which rolls right into having an owner unwilling to spend. This is just more losing years ahead while 'picks' develop.

It's the trick bad GM's use to stay employed.

Fool the fans with all the empty boxes that maybe, could-be, 'probably won't be' as good as all the players they traded to get all the empty boxes.

Funny that I think what the GM and owner in Atlanta is currently doing and has often done is just that.

Keep selling you that your roster is just one year away from contending with some development, or Trae being as good as his lighting in a bottle season from year’s back, making tiny little moves and telling you not to worry about the future picks owed and the massive past mistakes.

[vincecarter4pres]

Feels like a great scenario to reset things in Atlanta. Perfect draft to start with as well.

Most of our top players are under 24 years old, so the ability to add a top young talent to round out the core could see us have a Houston Rockets-like resurrection with the right young draftee(s).


The thing most outsiders don't see or agree with: The Hawks aren't TERRIBLY far from contending for a top-4 seed.

We've had a rough season dealing with multiple injuries to our top rotation players since the first week of the season.

And yet...

Read on Twitter

Idk man, I’m with your original sentiment. Trae is good, a floor raiser. But if you can be gifted the chance to get all those picks back and reset, I’d be foaming at the mouth.

[vincecarter4pres]

You have my attention.

Feels like a great scenario to reset things in Atlanta. Perfect draft to start with as well.

Trading for picks back is overated. Loser mentality which rolls right into having an owner unwilling to spend. This is just more losing years ahead while 'picks' develop.

To me the loser mentality is being afraid to admit a mistake, doubling down on bad money, and then throwing up your arms saying, “Whoa is me! Look at our bad luck!”, to fans when the wheels come off this thing and like my team, you gift the next Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum to another team years in succession.

The loser mentality is to continue making additional bad moves to try and save face, by remaining at least good enough to “only” give away picks in the late lotto too late teens.

[kg01]

Trading for picks back is overated. Loser mentality which rolls right into having an owner unwilling to spend. This is just more losing years ahead while 'picks' develop.

It's the trick bad GM's use to stay employed.

Fool the fans with all the empty boxes that maybe, could-be, 'probably won't be' as good as all the players they traded to get all the empty boxes.

Funny that I think what the GM and owner in Atlanta is currently doing and has often done is just that.

Keep selling you that your roster is just one year away from contending with some development, or Trae being as good as his lighting in a bottle season from year’s back, making tiny little moves and telling you not to worry about the future picks owed and the massive past mistakes.

This isn't what they're doing at all.

To be clear, I'm not on board with what they're doing which is just bad and directionless.

But they're not selling the idea that the team is just a year away.

Starting over is only a good idea in 2k.

[kg01]

Feels like a great scenario to reset things in Atlanta. Perfect draft to start with as well.

Most of our top players are under 24 years old, so the ability to add a top young talent to round out the core could see us have a Houston Rockets-like resurrection with the right young draftee(s).


The thing most outsiders don't see or agree with: The Hawks aren't TERRIBLY far from contending for a top-4 seed.

We've had a rough season dealing with multiple injuries to our top rotation players since the first week of the season.

And yet...

Read on Twitter

Are you shocked that I don't totally disagree with you here? I know I am.

[vincecarter4pres]

It's the trick bad GM's use to stay employed.

Fool the fans with all the empty boxes that maybe, could-be, 'probably won't be' as good as all the players they traded to get all the empty boxes.

Funny that I think what the GM and owner in Atlanta is currently doing and has often done is just that.

Keep selling you that your roster is just one year away from contending with some development, or Trae being as good as his lighting in a bottle season from year’s back, making tiny little moves and telling you not to worry about the future picks owed and the massive past mistakes.

This isn't what they're doing at all.

To be clear, I'm not on board with what they're doing which is just bad and directionless.

But they're not selling the idea that the team is just a year away.

Starting over is only a good idea in 2k.

Except it’s worked over and over again for almost every title contender in the league for decades?

[Jamaaliver]

Idk man, I’m with your original sentiment.

Trae is good, a floor raiser. But if you can be gifted the chance to get all those picks back and reset, I’d be foaming at the mouth.

It's definitely something to consider.

[vincecarter4pres]

It's the trick bad GM's use to stay employed.

Fool the fans with all the empty boxes that maybe, could-be, 'probably won't be' as good as all the players they traded to get all the empty boxes.

Funny that I think what the GM and owner in Atlanta is currently doing and has often done is just that.

Keep selling you that your roster is just one year away from contending with some development, or Trae being as good as his lighting in a bottle season from year’s back, making tiny little moves and telling you not to worry about the future picks owed and the massive past mistakes.

This isn't what they're doing at all.

To be clear, I'm not on board with what they're doing which is just bad and directionless.

But they're not selling the idea that the team is just a year away.

Starting over is only a good idea in 2k.

I don’t know that they’re trying to sell at all then?

That you’re a playin level team with 5-6 seed ultimate aspirations?

[kg01]

Funny that I think what the GM and owner in Atlanta is currently doing and has often done is just that.

Keep selling you that your roster is just one year away from contending with some development, or Trae being as good as his lighting in a bottle season from year’s back, making tiny little moves and telling you not to worry about the future picks owed and the massive past mistakes.

This isn't what they're doing at all.

To be clear, I'm not on board with what they're doing which is just bad and directionless.

But they're not selling the idea that the team is just a year away.

Starting over is only a good idea in 2k.

I don’t know that they’re trying to sell at all then?

That you’re a playin level team with 5-6 seed ultimate aspirations?

Seats stay full and they get a 'playoff appearance'. Heck, they may even get a home playoff game.

For them, that's a financial win.

That's what they're selling, friend. They're not trying to compete. There, you've seen behind the curtain.

[vincecarter4pres]

This isn't what they're doing at all.

To be clear, I'm not on board with what they're doing which is just bad and directionless.

But they're not selling the idea that the team is just a year away.

Starting over is only a good idea in 2k.

I don’t know that they’re trying to sell at all then?

That you’re a playin level team with 5-6 seed ultimate aspirations?

Seats stay full and they get a 'playoff appearance'. Heck, they may even get a home playoff game.

For them, that's a financial win.

That's what they're selling, friend. They're not trying to compete. There, you've seen behind the curtain.

Yes I know that’s what they’re happy with, but what are they trying to sell the fans? Both casuals and fanatics?

You’d think they want to reset before they have to sell some other crap that won’t sell when Trae asks out, gets injured, or is exposed further and you gift multiple top 10 picks to another team while being borderline unwatchable for a 5 season + span.

[jayu70]

Trading for picks back is overated. Loser mentality which rolls right into having an owner unwilling to spend. This is just more losing years ahead while 'picks' develop.

It's the trick bad GM's use to stay employed.

Fool the fans with all the empty boxes that maybe, could-be, 'probably won't be' as good as all the players they traded to get all the empty boxes.

Funny that I think what the GM and owner in Atlanta is currently doing and has often done is just that.

Keep selling you that your roster is just one year away from contending with some development, or Trae being as good as his lighting in a bottle season from year’s back, making tiny little moves and telling you not to worry about the future picks owed and the massive past mistakes.

These owners are not selling 1 year from contention at all. Don't know where you are getting that
Last year and the year prior was 'avoid the play-in'. This year they haven't said anything, the most they've said is something about 'a long runway with development as the focus.

[jayu70]

Feels like a great scenario to reset things in Atlanta. Perfect draft to start with as well.

Trading for picks back is overated. Loser mentality which rolls right into having an owner unwilling to spend. This is just more losing years ahead while 'picks' develop.

To me the loser mentality is being afraid to admit a mistake, doubling down on bad money, and then throwing up your arms saying, “Whoa is me! Look at our bad luck!”, to fans when the wheels come off this thing and like my team, you gift the next Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum to another team years in succession.

The loser mentality is to continue making additional bad moves to try and save face, by remaining at least good enough to “only” give away picks in the late lotto too late teens.

They've already admitted the mistake of trading for Murray by trading him and recouping some value. Don't compound that mistake by making an even bigger one in quick succession br being obsessed with picks back.

[vincecarter4pres]

Trading for picks back is overated. Loser mentality which rolls right into having an owner unwilling to spend. This is just more losing years ahead while 'picks' develop.

To me the loser mentality is being afraid to admit a mistake, doubling down on bad money, and then throwing up your arms saying, “Whoa is me! Look at our bad luck!”, to fans when the wheels come off this thing and like my team, you gift the next Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum to another team years in succession.

The loser mentality is to continue making additional bad moves to try and save face, by remaining at least good enough to “only” give away picks in the late lotto too late teens.

They've already admitted the mistake of trading for Murray by trading him and recouping some value. Don't compound that mistake by making an even bigger one in quick succession br being obsessed with picks back.

To me many have an obsession with treating draft picks as 50/50 tickets at a church Italian feast raffle.

I’m not sure how it’s compounding the problem if it opens up your entire future for a player who clearly cannot be the best guy on a contender, but is so important and a bad team floor raiser where just missing a month or two with a high ankle sprain and a couple small nagging things will mean someone is getting your unprotected lottery picks.

And where do you think players like Trae and better come from, 2K Create-A-Player?

All players of worth essentially come from the draft, a vast majority of plus level starters to All Stars, to franchise cornerstones and actual generational franchise level players come from the top half of the draft, more than half of the latter 3 from the lottery.

And with the new CBA salary implications being more important than ever, and finally ‘25 and ‘26 drafts are slated to be excellent overall, having production out of rookie scale contracts and control over their second deal is paramount.

Idk man, I get your FO not wanting to do this, but as a fan I’d be overwhelmingly thrilled for a move like that if available.