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cmoss84 wrote:Do Ya"ll value Jaden or Fox higher?
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
Esohny wrote:Why are you asking Klomp? "He's" actually a bot that posts random blurbs from a database.
Klomp wrote:I'm putting the tired in retired mod at the moment
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
Esohny wrote:Why are you asking Klomp? "He's" actually a bot that posts random blurbs from a database.
Klomp wrote:I'm putting the tired in retired mod at the moment
BlacJacMac wrote:winforlose wrote:BlacJacMac wrote:
I guess the positive here is that we don't have many 1st round picks for the league to take away from us...
1. Players taking less than their absolute highest possible number is common under the CBA.
2. I am not sure this is illegal if we have his bird rights. Joe Smith was all about not having them. If we promise a guy 100 million over 4 years and backload 3 of the 4 why would the league care. If it’s about the 2 contracts, see KD and the Warriors.
I'm not risking signing guys for below market money to circumvent CBA penalties, while offering future promises.
Also, lets say we do this and Naz blows his achilles towards the end of next year. Are you still signing him to 3/82.5?
Its easy to be cavalier with someone else's money.
ILC wrote:BlacJacMac wrote:shrink wrote:For me, I have a hard time seeing which is the right course. I agree Fox is the better player, but he is about to get paid big bucks. Jaden is good, and leaves financial room for another equivalent player. I’d also mention that you win championships with elite players, so overpaying for elite talent is a legitimate direction, but how elite is Fox? Also, bringing in Fox definitely reduces our problem with Ant’s playmaking, but this is also an area that he could grow into to be a superstar.
Tough call for me here.
My worry is Fox is already 27 and (outside of last year) not a good shooter - so much of his game is super reliant on plus athleticism.
(Which is also why I think him going to the Spurs seems short-sighted...)
Is he going to be worth 50+ million in his early 30s?
IMO, trading for Fox is going all-in on a title this year or next. But do we still have enough supporting cast after giving up everything we'd need to in order to get him?
That's the KEY question and IMO the answer is clearly no.
I love Fox, but if you do the proposal above with Randle, Mike, NAW and Rob that leaves you with Fox, Ant, McD, Naz, Rudy and DDV as a really good 6 man rotation, then Clark and TSJr, Garza and Miller to fill out the rotation.
Then if you sign Naz this summer to the same contract Jaden got you do have about 10m under the 2nd apron to fill out the roster with, but that's still not enough for at least 2 really good rotation guys.
It also leaves you with questions about DDV's recovery (will he even come back this year) and if Fox will even re-sign if you can't compete for the title right away and even if he re-signs that's going to be the max right away and immediately a very bad contract (for as good as he is).
I'd rather roll the dice with the current team, at least it's deeper.
TimberKat wrote:I guess the Randle for DeJounte Murray trade isn't going to happen. NOP just got the worse injury luck this year
TimberKat wrote:I guess the Randle for DeJounte Murray trade isn't going to happen. NOP just got the worse injury luck this year
winforlose wrote:TimberKat wrote:I guess the Randle for DeJounte Murray trade isn't going to happen. NOP just got the worse injury luck this year
Ironically now we probably could execute it. What I want to know is if the NFLs new Achilles surgery works for NBA players. Rodgers went down week 1, he was available for week 18. If I knew that DJM was going to be back and capable early next season, I would be tempted to make the trade. Of course then this season is probably fugaze. But, DJM and Ant with Dilly and DDV off the bench is one hell of a backcourt. Draft a backup C and hope Miller turns into a decent PF or vice versa, and next year is… interesting, or perhaps spicy.
TimberKat wrote:winforlose wrote:TimberKat wrote:I guess the Randle for DeJounte Murray trade isn't going to happen. NOP just got the worse injury luck this year
Ironically now we probably could execute it. What I want to know is if the NFLs new Achilles surgery works for NBA players. Rodgers went down week 1, he was available for week 18. If I knew that DJM was going to be back and capable early next season, I would be tempted to make the trade. Of course then this season is probably fugaze. But, DJM and Ant with Dilly and DDV off the bench is one hell of a backcourt. Draft a backup C and hope Miller turns into a decent PF or vice versa, and next year is… interesting, or perhaps spicy.
Could you explain that?
jscott wrote:TimberKat wrote:winforlose wrote:
Ironically now we probably could execute it. What I want to know is if the NFLs new Achilles surgery works for NBA players. Rodgers went down week 1, he was available for week 18. If I knew that DJM was going to be back and capable early next season, I would be tempted to make the trade. Of course then this season is probably fugaze. But, DJM and Ant with Dilly and DDV off the bench is one hell of a backcourt. Draft a backup C and hope Miller turns into a decent PF or vice versa, and next year is… interesting, or perhaps spicy.
Could you explain that?
He’s assuming Murray’s value is lower because of his injury. And he may be right.
My concern is that he’s just not very good and I think we can get a better caliber of player than DJM.
Norseman79 wrote:If we keep playing this well or even better with DD and Randle out, how do you mess with that? I'm not saying trade them etc, but how do you justify messing with what works?
winforlose wrote:There is a new Achilles procedure called a speed bridge. It is becoming common for Achilles tears. If it got DJM up and running by the off season (running literally,) and he was able to get back healthy by November, then DJM would be a great addition. I also am mindful that a groin strain could be a month or two injury. Randle might not help us again till March or April. That is why I see this trade as us taking the risk on DJM and they get the shorter easier to move or expire Randle, and it is win/win. It is also not the only move we would make. We would need to move NAW for a big and maybe include Utah’s second. Unless of course we sign best available and draft a big with that pick in the offseason. I think we still make the playoffs and maybe even win a series without Randle, and are better positioned next year with Murray. You can also give Dilly minutes at SG next to Murray or PG next to Ant next year. DDV becomes more SF replacing NAW and now we have a solid 3 man backcourt rotation with DDV available if needed. We have a solid SF position with Jaden, DDV, Shannon, and now all we need to work on is the bigs.
shangrila wrote:Norseman79 wrote:If we keep playing this well or even better with DD and Randle out, how do you mess with that? I'm not saying trade them etc, but how do you justify messing with what works?
Realistically it's a soft part of the schedule. And Randle has played significantly better in recent weeks, to the point that this version of him would be welcome long term.
cmoss84 wrote:Julius for Gafford and Klay works...and gets us into 1st apron. Just sayin.
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