Bulls Trade Deadline Prediction Thread

[cool007]

if the rumors are true that AKME rejected a giddey to SA trade, they need to be fired. I expect them to do nothing and I know somehow theyre STILL gonna piss me off. There are definitely deals to be made and I think they're still overvaluing players as far as picks are concerned.

Totally agree. I know for sure there is a lot of interest in both Lavine and Vuc but our Front office is so stubborn on trying to get some picks and eventually won't trade them.

Right after a writer like Cowley will write something like "There is no interest in Lavine in the market" - will try to make Lavine look bad, like he is a bench/role player making ton of money and no one wants him.

[Dez]

I think it's at worst a misjudgment and the reality is that he was hamstrung by an injury that clearly had an unknown ending.

If you construct a roster that only works around your 4th highest paid player, whom averaged 1/3 a season missed for his career and has a bunch of cumulative lower body injuries that are predictive of future injuries, then that is indeed a huge misjudgment.

To not figure out how to react to it for 2 years is just a long series of misjudgments, to miss on almost every one of your draft picks, over pay in all your trades, never push your RFAs to actually get an offer sheet or negotiate hard are all further misjudgments.

The problem isn't a misjudgment, it is that virtually every decision he had made since he has been here has been a misjudgment. If you were to count the things he did right, it would be a list of:

Draft Ayo (whom was ESPN's most talented for like 10 picks before he fell to us and we took him)
Sign Caruso (whom said he would have gone to the Lakers for less if they just upped their offer some)
Sign Coby to an extension (though could have likely got him on an even better deal if they played hard ball)
Sign Ayo to an extension (though could have definitely got him on a better deal if they played hard ball)

Maybe draft Matas (whom was mocked at #5 but fell to #11), but maybe not, we'll see.
Maybe sign and trade for DeMar (though we screwed up the situation enough that it didn't help us, but likely could have helped us if he hadn't screwed up the end)

That's a _really_ short list for how long he's been around.

I completely disagree. He has been hamstrung in his ability to remake the roster by the Lonzo injury combined with success when we had decent PG play.

His remake of the team was nothing short of miraculous and he should get the chance to do it again.

AND nearly every signing he's had has hit.

You've foreclosed on their being one way and you won't consider anything else.

This is the most delusional and unrealistic drivel ever conceived.

[dougthonus]

One small asterisk I'd throw in there is that we did figure it out for a brief period. The team did perform well with Patrick Beverley here. The Bev-Caruso-LaVine-DeRozan-Vucevic lineup was +13 in 266 minutes. We were 14-8 in his time here.

Then we signed Jevon Carter in the offseason instead of Beverley, and well, that didn't work (not gonna lie, thought Carter would fit well).

Beverley's on/off was -1. Beverley was a total red herring. Zach was like 30ppg at 50/40/90 after the all-star break, but Beverley got the credit for now reason whatsoever except that the move happened around the same time.

[dougthonus]

The Demar sign and trade also means the Bulls owe a pick to the Spurs, so I wouldn't put it under a good move, just not one as bad as the others (because DDR played well here).

The S&T itself could have been a good move because DeMar was probably worth more than we gave up for him at one point, but because we hung on to him, it didn't help us.

FWIW, we also threw in Thad Young whom also was traded for a 1st, so it's like we gave up 2 picks for him too.

[dougthonus]

I mostly agree with your takes here, but it's Friday and I'm feeling good so I'll add to the positives:

1. Billy Donovan - has a lot of flaws but like you, I value him for his strengths and he's the most coaching stability we've had for decades.

2. Signing Jason Smith

3. Signing Drummond, Javonte Green

4. Trading Caruso for what he did (even though I now want to move Giddey)

I'll agree Boylen to Billy Donovan was a big upgrade, I guess I overlook because it's so obvious you needed to fire Boylen but that was an upgrade.

Also like Jalen Smith alot.

Drummond/Green were good vet min signings, could add on Craig as a similar good vet min signing too. Agree those were solid (if not high impact).

Trading Caruso, meh, better than letting him expire, but I think you get more the previous deadline, and the return hasn't worked out yet.

[Dan Z]

The Demar sign and trade also means the Bulls owe a pick to the Spurs, so I wouldn't put it under a good move, just not one as bad as the others (because DDR played well here).

The S&T itself could have been a good move because DeMar was probably worth more than we gave up for him at one point, but because we hung on to him, it didn't help us.

FWIW, we also threw in Thad Young whom also was traded for a 1st, so it's like we gave up 2 picks for him too.

What do you think his trade value was if he was traded a year before the Kings S&T?

DDR did well here, but ultimately what did that accomplish? Giving up a first round pick for him is why I'm hesitant to say it was a good move. Imagine if the Bulls finish #11 this year?

[dougthonus]

You've foreclosed on their being one way and you won't consider anything else.

Agreed. I think these guys suck and are absolutely the worst, and there is no reason to consider anything else.

[samwana]

if the rumors are true that AKME rejected a giddey to SA trade, they need to be fired. I expect them to do nothing and I know somehow theyre STILL gonna piss me off. There are definitely deals to be made and I think they're still overvaluing players as far as picks are concerned.

There was a rumour that AKME turned down a trade from SA for Giddey?

The answer should be YES. AKME moving on from Giddey and Williams would be my ideal trade deadline outcome. Thanks AKME, Kel'el Ware would've been a nice piece to start a soft rebuild.

He would sit on the bench for BD, we need to rid us of the coach before any transaction helps us. We have had hope again and again and BD stubborn to use players up to their strength.

[drosestruts]

One small asterisk I'd throw in there is that we did figure it out for a brief period. The team did perform well with Patrick Beverley here. The Bev-Caruso-LaVine-DeRozan-Vucevic lineup was +13 in 266 minutes. We were 14-8 in his time here.

Then we signed Jevon Carter in the offseason instead of Beverley, and well, that didn't work (not gonna lie, thought Carter would fit well).

Beverley's on/off was -1. Beverley was a total red herring. Zach was like 30ppg at 50/40/90 after the all-star break, but Beverley got the credit for now reason whatsoever except that the move happened around the same time.

Zach did go nuclear during that stretch. Correlation doesn't equal causation I suppose.

And I don't see how Beverley presence changes Zach being hurt last year. So in the end, re-signing him wouldn't have mattered.

For a brief stretch we looked competitive again - but yes, may have had little to do with Beverley.

[Ccwatercraft]

Obviously Zach is having a baby but it’s a very convenient period to miss a few games.

The baby is keeping him healthy, I like it.

Knowing our luck he pulls a boozer and trips over a gym bag

[Chi town]

Shroeder can be traded Wed.

Lavine to Dubs. Bulls play Dubs at home on Saturday.

I can see Vuc to the Lakers.

[MisterRoy]

Vuc to the Lakers make sense. Trading Zach just doesn't make sense still.

[WesPeace]

Vuc to the Lakers make sense. Trading Zach just doesn't make sense still.

Only center wise,it makes sense.. but LAL is already much worse now on D, they need good defensive C, not Vucevic. Vucevic most logical destination is still GSW.

[MisterRoy]

Read on Twitter

This isn't aging well lol.

[Muzbar]

Vuc to the Lakers make sense. Trading Zach just doesn't make sense still.

Vuc doesn't make sense, the Lakers lost a bunch of defense trade AD and Max. They need a defensive rim running center.

Trading Zach absolutely makes sense, just depends on what the goal is.