Thibs needs to go

[cgmw]

There should be a huge asterisks here: Thibs gets more out of *GUYS HE LIKES. Thibs gets nothing out of guys he doesn't like. It's a pretty binary world with Coach Maniac. You're in or you're out. If you're IN, you'll overperform. If you're out, you're out.

He likes good players and doesn’t like bad players

I trust his track record of picking players to ride with over the Knicks fandom. Take this quote for example:

“When things implode later this season, and after they fire Thibs, I expect Cam to go full-Treyverson and average 29 ppg during a late-season 10-game garbahge time stretch that takes us out of contention for a top 5 pick. Then Cam leaves in FA, of course. And the Knicks continue to Knick”

The Knicks fandom thought Scam didn’t work here because Thibs didn’t like him. Turns out, he sucked in college, he sucked before he got here, and he has continued to suck on every team he’s landed on after he left here. Many such cases.

Now the guys Thibs “liked”, he has taken them to heights never thought possible. Maybe he just has an eye for talent?

Brunson - first time all star, first time all star starter
Towns - first time all star starter
OG and Hart - becoming respected as elite players
Hartenstein - bench guy to getting him paid 30 million a year
Randle - MIP, 3x all star, 2x all nba, traded for hall of famer. From nothing
Donte - had him looking like Steph curry
Quickley - built him up and got him paid like 200m

Players who couldn’t hack it here just weren’t that good or at least not as good as the fandom imagined

He even got dudes like Reggie bullock a payday. So many examples but I have to go to lunch

Love this. Idk if that was me, but I sure hope it was because that was vintage cgmw.

Receipts

[rajajackal]

knew it'd be best to hold down my beach chair on thibs island

[NoStatsGuy]

its crazy, that people calling for thibs' head when we are 1 game behind boston and jokic calls us top 5 tittle contender after getting his butt whooped

[Nostrand Ave]

Reminder: Verdicts on coaches are made in the playoffs, not during the regular season. Thibs has always been a fantastic regular season coach. That was never in question. I'm pretty sure this thread was made to discuss what gives the Knicks the best chance to win a ring.

And seeding is overrated. The Knicks were a 2-seed last season but still lost in the second round.

I'm not saying he should be fired or not. I'm just pointing out that it's a marathon, not a sprint.

[NiceLikeChrist]

don't know about all these fairweather anti thibs folks but I still very much want him sent packing! get him outta here, these wins can't fool me

[nedleeds]

don't know about all these fairweather anti thibs folks but I still very much want him sent packing! get him outta here, these wins can't fool me

He gets saved by circumstance, not circumspection. Like he just had to play dudes because we were getting wasted in the 4th quarter and a podcast called him out.

You can argue that doesn't matter, but I think it does. He's an awful coach, terrible in game, can't adjust and really never has in his whole mediocre head coaching career adjusted in a playoff series and bought his team a win.

That being said he's not getting fired, and even if they did we're in no position to find a replacement mid-season. He should have been fired after deep frying the whole roster and getting whacked in the 2nd round last year. Then a new coach could have been courted with some roster upgrades (arguably) after the KAT trade. They'd have had some time to put a real plan together and had a camp. The trade was so late though (October 3rd?) even that would have been tough -- we'd have likely replaced Thibs before the trade.

[kNicksGmen]

Either thibs needs to go or the roster needs to drastically change.

You're not winning anything with Kat+brunson and thibs. 2 absymal defenders and an uncreative stubborn coach.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

[Clyde_Style]

You're going to be on a roll the next few days

[knicks94]

Thibs coaches a true master piece of a game on national television. Give this man his roses!

[Nostrand Ave]

[The KnicksFix]

Read on Twitter

Even the players on the team think the minutes police are stupid!

Yea! Let’s trust the guys who will run thru a brick wall by themselves because their moronic coach doesn’t know any other way to coach!

[seren]

Difficult to assess whether this OG injury is a direct result of the minutes but did anyone really not expect something like this happening at some point? Maybe it is not the minutes. Maybe it is Thibs’ poor luck that someone playing heavy minutes on his team always ends up with a bad injury. In either case, does it really matter when it is happening year after year after year

[nedleeds]

Read on Twitter

Even the players on the team think the minutes police are stupid!

Yea! Let’s trust the guys who will run thru a brick wall by themselves because their moronic coach doesn’t know any other way to coach!

What a starter wouldn't beg off minutes on the public internet from his orc fossil coach? Weird.

[SelbyCobra]

My anti-Thibs agenda has always been about the idea that, while he's a master motivator and floor raiser, he has no coaching bag to compete against the elite when the going gets tough. Never has. Always gets handled and put out in the end, and with relative ease at that, because being totally bought in and giving max effort don't solve upper echelon scheming and game planning against the best teams.

The minutes police are 100% correct, it's a catastrophic flaw of Thibs, and yet it's not the biggest impediment to the Knicks winning a championship to me. There is a world where the minutes stack up and miraculously no one gets injured; luck leads them through the gauntlet. But even in that scenario, when it gets down to the final handful of teams, there is zero evidence that Thibs can avoid being outcoached by guys like Mazulla, Udoka, Atkinson, and Daigneault over the course of two consecutive 7 game series. We see it constantly in games the shots aren't falling. There are no adjustments, no system to fall back on, no tinkering to try and get an easy bucket, just the same stuff spammed again and again with the idea that the breakthrough is right around the corner.

[Clyde_Style]

My anti-Thibs agenda has always been about the idea that, while he's a master motivator and floor raiser, he has no coaching bag to compete against the elite when the going gets tough. Never has. Always gets handled and put out in the end, and with relative ease at that, because being totally bought in and giving max effort don't solve upper echelon scheming and game planning against the best teams.

The minutes police are 100% correct, it's a catastrophic flaw of Thibs, and yet it's not the biggest impediment to the Knicks winning a championship to me. There is a world where the minutes stack up and miraculously no one gets injured; luck leads them through the gauntlet. But even in that scenario, when it gets down to the final handful of teams, there is zero evidence that Thibs can avoid being outcoached by guys like Mazulla, Udoka, Atkinson, and Daigneault over the course of two consecutive 7 game series. We see it constantly in games the shots aren't falling. There are no adjustments, no system to fall back on, no tinkering to try and get an easy bucket, just the same stuff spammed again and again with the idea that the breakthrough is right around the corner.

Exactly what I said yesterday which is the minutes and bench rotation issues merely compound the # 1 problem that Thibs caps us out as a situational coach. He cannot adjust to better coaches in real time and it is why I've been firm that you will NEVER win a championship with Thibs as the coach.

At this moment, our starting lineup is going to need fresh bodies and there is no frontline player left in the rotation besides Precious. People want to blame the FO for not building a deeper bench, but if they thought Hukporti was a viable player (and he was playing pro ball overseas even if he is considered a rookie here) then it falls on Thibs to get him ready to contribute. Instead we used all of those minutes on Sims who is glued to the bench now. Great job there Thibs.

[thebuzzardman]

My anti-Thibs agenda has always been about the idea that, while he's a master motivator and floor raiser, he has no coaching bag to compete against the elite when the going gets tough. Never has. Always gets handled and put out in the end, and with relative ease at that, because being totally bought in and giving max effort don't solve upper echelon scheming and game planning against the best teams.

The minutes police are 100% correct, it's a catastrophic flaw of Thibs, and yet it's not the biggest impediment to the Knicks winning a championship to me. There is a world where the minutes stack up and miraculously no one gets injured; luck leads them through the gauntlet. But even in that scenario, when it gets down to the final handful of teams, there is zero evidence that Thibs can avoid being outcoached by guys like Mazulla, Udoka, Atkinson, and Daigneault over the course of two consecutive 7 game series. We see it constantly in games the shots aren't falling. There are no adjustments, no system to fall back on, no tinkering to try and get an easy bucket, just the same stuff spammed again and again with the idea that the breakthrough is right around the corner.

You could see this in the 1st quarter yesterday. It's why I bailed at the half. That and the constant commercials.

Thibs can't adjust.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

My anti-Thibs agenda has always been about the idea that, while he's a master motivator and floor raiser, he has no coaching bag to compete against the elite when the going gets tough. Never has. Always gets handled and put out in the end, and with relative ease at that, because being totally bought in and giving max effort don't solve upper echelon scheming and game planning against the best teams.

The minutes police are 100% correct, it's a catastrophic flaw of Thibs, and yet it's not the biggest impediment to the Knicks winning a championship to me. There is a world where the minutes stack up and miraculously no one gets injured; luck leads them through the gauntlet. But even in that scenario, when it gets down to the final handful of teams, there is zero evidence that Thibs can avoid being outcoached by guys like Mazulla, Udoka, Atkinson, and Daigneault over the course of two consecutive 7 game series. We see it constantly in games the shots aren't falling. There are no adjustments, no system to fall back on, no tinkering to try and get an easy bucket, just the same stuff spammed again and again with the idea that the breakthrough is right around the corner.

It's why the zone is still so effective against us after all these years, despite all the shooting and passing on the floor we look lost if a team breaks it out against us. This has been a problem through multiple iterations of the roster, just like 3-point defense has been an issue for years. The new wrinkle in his inability to adjust is when teams put a wing on KAT and a mobile big on Hart, he immediately tries to post up the wing even though KAT's defender is getting weakside help from the big who is helping off of Hart. It takes our offense out of it's flow and we fall right into the trap the other team set, it has happened multiple times now against Atkinson, Daigneault and Udoka, and there's no adjustment. The second I see a team come out like that with their big on Hart and wing on KAT I know we're in trouble.

[The KnicksFix]

My anti-Thibs agenda has always been about the idea that, while he's a master motivator and floor raiser, he has no coaching bag to compete against the elite when the going gets tough. Never has. Always gets handled and put out in the end, and with relative ease at that, because being totally bought in and giving max effort don't solve upper echelon scheming and game planning against the best teams.

The minutes police are 100% correct, it's a catastrophic flaw of Thibs, and yet it's not the biggest impediment to the Knicks winning a championship to me. There is a world where the minutes stack up and miraculously no one gets injured; luck leads them through the gauntlet. But even in that scenario, when it gets down to the final handful of teams, there is zero evidence that Thibs can avoid being outcoached by guys like Mazulla, Udoka, Atkinson, and Daigneault over the course of two consecutive 7 game series. We see it constantly in games the shots aren't falling. There are no adjustments, no system to fall back on, no tinkering to try and get an easy bucket, just the same stuff spammed again and again with the idea that the breakthrough is right around the corner.

I’ve been saying this for months, if not years in this forum, I’ve been beating the drum over and over. Increased minutes causes increased wear and tear on ligaments, tendons, joints and bones. I’m quite literally a doctor, yet People will say “oh OG didn’t play a lot tonight before the injury happened” but when you look at the totality of minutes he’s played over the season, he’s already worn down those ligaments over time. This is why minutes matter.

[Context]

yeah I dont think anyone that can be fair to both sides can argue that Thibs offense is wash-rinse and repeat. Good teams can counter that and shut Kat and Brunson down. We needs strategy to capitalize on Brunson and Kat's offensive ability. Also, we are capable of being great defensively yet we are last in 3pt defense. This has to be due to fatigue. Last in ranking can not be argued.