Around the NBA (Part Two)

[FrenchMinnyFan]

Crazy if you haven't watched dal gm and jkidd press conference.. gm stated jkidd wasn't aware. That is nuts. Jkidd went along with it, and had good things to say about AD, but WHOA

Imagine trading top 5 player with only one team allowed to bid and only one pick coming back. A 25 year old Luka for an almost 32 year old AD. This trade had something shady outside of basketball.

I agree. Could be related to Luka condition. Or maybe simply the Mavs owner just don't want to pay 350 Millions for him which make sense for me. The risk of letting him go for almost nothing was existing.
For this price you can get 2 All Star players, lower level than Luka but with less health and conditioning issues.
And if Dallas make a run this year ( which is possible as AD play one of his best year), the trade may look less terrible.

[Neeva]

Dallas fans should revolt and want Harrison’s head..he is a Lakers asset!

[winforlose]

Crazy if you haven't watched dal gm and jkidd press conference.. gm stated jkidd wasn't aware. That is nuts. Jkidd went along with it, and had good things to say about AD, but WHOA

Imagine trading top 5 player with only one team allowed to bid and only one pick coming back. A 25 year old Luka for an almost 32 year old AD. This trade had something shady outside of basketball.

Yes, and patrick dumont (new owner) stated he initially laughed at the idea. So bizarre. All NBA owners should come together and an investigation should take place. Nico Harrison just making a wild decision against the owner and head coach?

This does not happen without owner approval. A side deal was reached between owners that had nothing to do with basketball. Nothing else makes sense.

[winforlose]

Crazy if you haven't watched dal gm and jkidd press conference.. gm stated jkidd wasn't aware. That is nuts. Jkidd went along with it, and had good things to say about AD, but WHOA

Imagine trading top 5 player with only one team allowed to bid and only one pick coming back. A 25 year old Luka for an almost 32 year old AD. This trade had something shady outside of basketball.

I agree. Could be related to Luka condition. Or maybe simply the Mavs owner just don't want to pay 350 Millions for him which make sense for me. The risk of letting him go for almost nothing was existing.
For this price you can get 2 All Star players, lower level than Luka but with less health and conditioning issues.
And if Dallas make a run this year ( which is possible as AD play one of his best year), the trade may look less terrible.

Sorry but gotta call BS. They could have taken Kneckt and the 2031 first and still been short on value. Reaves is a value contract and Dallas could have dumped any bad salary they wanted to LAL as well. You don’t negotiate this version of the deal if you are Dallas unless you want to leave LAL as many assets as possible. This was not done as a mutual exchange. This was Dallas helping LAL. In order for that to make sense, something else must have happened between ownership outside of basketball.

[Loaf_of_bread]

Imagine trading top 5 player with only one team allowed to bid and only one pick coming back. A 25 year old Luka for an almost 32 year old AD. This trade had something shady outside of basketball.

Yes, and patrick dumont (new owner) stated he initially laughed at the idea. So bizarre. All NBA owners should come together and an investigation should take place. Nico Harrison just making a wild decision against the owner and head coach?

This does not happen without owner approval. A side deal was reached between owners that had nothing to do with basketball. Nothing else makes sense.

What do you mean by, "A side deal was reached between owners"?

[winforlose]

Yes, and patrick dumont (new owner) stated he initially laughed at the idea. So bizarre. All NBA owners should come together and an investigation should take place. Nico Harrison just making a wild decision against the owner and head coach?

This does not happen without owner approval. A side deal was reached between owners that had nothing to do with basketball. Nothing else makes sense.

What do you mean by, "A side deal was reached between owners"?

In order to justify a trade that cannot be justified you must look beyond the game. Owners have business interests beyond basketball. The Mavs new ownership group runs Vegas Casinos and probably has fingers in other pies. If the Lakers do well that makes money for sports books (more people bet on the Lakers than the Mavs,) so maybe the Mavs ownership gets a payoff from sports books and/or the Lakers ownership does something (I have no idea what,) for the Mavs ownerships business interests, and presto, the terrible and inexplicable trade happens. If you disagree, then please explain why only the Lakers were allowed to bid on Luka, and only one pick transferred from LAL to Dallas?

[Loaf_of_bread]

This does not happen without owner approval. A side deal was reached between owners that had nothing to do with basketball. Nothing else makes sense.

What do you mean by, "A side deal was reached between owners"?

In order to justify a trade that cannot be justified you must look beyond the game. Owners have business interests beyond basketball. The Mavs new ownership group runs Vegas Casinos and probably has fingers in other pies. If the Lakers do well that makes money for sports books (more people bet on the Lakers than the Mavs,) so maybe the Mavs ownership gets a payoff from sports books and/or the Lakers ownership does something (I have no idea what,) for the Mavs ownerships business interests, and presto, the terrible and inexplicable trade happens. If you disagree, then please explain why only the Lakers were allowed to bid on Luka, and only one pick transferred from LAL to Dallas?

Hmm, maybe. Whatever is behind it, a thorough investigation should take place. Only fair to all owners that there is an open level of integrity.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

This does not happen without owner approval. A side deal was reached between owners that had nothing to do with basketball. Nothing else makes sense.

What do you mean by, "A side deal was reached between owners"?

In order to justify a trade that cannot be justified you must look beyond the game. Owners have business interests beyond basketball. The Mavs new ownership group runs Vegas Casinos and probably has fingers in other pies. If the Lakers do well that makes money for sports books (more people bet on the Lakers than the Mavs,) so maybe the Mavs ownership gets a payoff from sports books and/or the Lakers ownership does something (I have no idea what,) for the Mavs ownerships business interests, and presto, the terrible and inexplicable trade happens. If you disagree, then please explain why only the Lakers were allowed to bid on Luka, and only one pick transferred from LAL to Dallas?

Could be. IT's strange indeed to put a top 5 player on the market without putting him really on the market. The fact that Dallas contact only LA is highly suspicious...

[winforlose]

What do you mean by, "A side deal was reached between owners"?

In order to justify a trade that cannot be justified you must look beyond the game. Owners have business interests beyond basketball. The Mavs new ownership group runs Vegas Casinos and probably has fingers in other pies. If the Lakers do well that makes money for sports books (more people bet on the Lakers than the Mavs,) so maybe the Mavs ownership gets a payoff from sports books and/or the Lakers ownership does something (I have no idea what,) for the Mavs ownerships business interests, and presto, the terrible and inexplicable trade happens. If you disagree, then please explain why only the Lakers were allowed to bid on Luka, and only one pick transferred from LAL to Dallas?

Could be. IT's strange indeed to put a top 5 player on the market without putting him really on the market. The fact that Dallas contact only LA is highly suspicious...

Exactly, and they didn’t exactly walk away with all the Lakers extra assets either.

[ILC]

I don't get it for the Kings. How do you not insist on Castle in this trade?

Now you give them an all-star level PG and enough assets to trade for another all star player if needed down the road ffs

[FrenchMinnyFan]

I don't get it for the Kings. How do you not insist on Castle in this trade?

Now you give them an all-star level PG and enough assets to trade for another all star player if needed down the road ffs

Seems that the Spurs were not willing to give Castle. Fox request for the trade. Let's see if there is others adjustments before Feb 6 but i agree with you on the fact that Sacramento lose the trade for me. I don't even speak about the Bulls who are desperately bad at .trading. SA will be good in the coming years.... hopefully not enough this year to bothers us/

[minimus]

I've watched CHI vs DET and MIN vs WAS. I would choose Lonzo Ball over someone like Malcolm Brogdon 10 out 10 times. At some point Lonzo was defending Duren under rim then he poke away ball from Fontechio. Ball was 3/3 from 3pt line before 3rd quarter, but then he forced and missed 5 in row, mainly because CHI offense is bad.

[Klomp]

I’ve listened to five national podcasts about this trade, and everyone is just stunned. Among the crazy things:

1. Mavs contacted the Lakers, and only the Lakers.
2. Luka did not ask for a trade
3. The GMs did not notify Luka or Davis. Or LeBron for that matter.
4. Davis didn’t take his full trade kicker, so the Mavs could stay under the lux.
5. Luka was back up into the high 260’s again, in shape he’s 245. Mavs worries about his commitment
6. Several people in organization used the phrase “held hostage” by Luka.
7. The Mavs didn’t even get both Laker 1sts.
8. DAL traded away all its future draft picks the last few years, which is scarier when you lose a 25 year old Luka.

Some are saying this is the worst trade ever. Congrats Rudy Gobert!

This is perhaps the biggest takeaway I've had about the trade. Not necessarily about the luxury tax implications specifically, but about ownership making the move. Jay Williams talked about it this morning on Get Up, that he has heard rumblings about this potentially being part of a shift from "player entitlement" to "ownership entitlement". I think it's interesting, at the very least.

I don't think Dallas is necessarily wrong about any worries around Luka's durability. And I think a team should be well within its right to say they want to build a team on defense. And even to say they want to prioritize winning within the next three to four years. That doesn't mean I think it was the right move or that they maximized their return. But they seemed to target what they wanted to get out of a trade and got it.

[minimus]

I remember when I started to be concerned about new CBA it was kind of impossible that:

MIN trade Towns because they do not want to pay supermax
DAL trade Doncic because they do not want to pay supermax
MIN dont want to pay Butler
SAC trade Fox because they do not want to pay max extension

But here we are...

[Klomp]

I remember when I started to be concerned about new CBA it was kind of impossible that:

MIN trade Towns because they do not want to pay supermax
DAL trade Doncic because they do not want to pay supermax
MIN dont want to pay Butler
SAC trade Fox because they do not want to pay max extension

But here we are...

Bingo. That is such a significant underlying factor here across the league.

You could add in that BOS owner sold the team after winning the title because they didn't want to pay their tax bill.

[BlacJacMac]

I believe the idea behind the SuperMax was to allow smaller market teams to keep their drafted players instead of having them move on to bigger cities.

But now we're seeing more and more instances of it punishing those teams because they can't afford to keep them - and they end up making less, but going to the destinations of their choice.

[Klomp]

I believe the idea behind the SuperMax was to allow smaller market teams to keep their drafted players instead of having them move on to bigger cities.

But now we're seeing more and more instances of it punishing those teams because they can't afford to keep them - and they end up making less, but going to the destinations of their choice.

That's a byproduct of the second apron more than the supermax itself...

[Guest84]

Are all these trades "really" just a result of the CBA apron restrictions??

There's been a push for NY and LA to get big name stars on those teams. Then boom, Towns to NY for basically nothing and now Luka for basically nothing. Yeah AD is a good player but there's no way they got anything near equal value for Luka. They also didn't "shop" him for the best value.

This wreaks of an under the table deal to get LA a successor for the years after LBJ. The NBA might as well come out and admit they're just like the WWE. There's a cover up going on regarding this.

[winforlose]

Are all these trades "really" just a result of the CBA apron restrictions??

There's been a push for NY and LA to get big name stars on those teams. Then boom, Towns to NY for basically nothing and now Luka for basically nothing. Yeah AD is a good player but there's no way they got anything near equal value for Luka. They also didn't "shop" him for the best value.

This wreaks of an under the table deal to get LA a successor for the years after LBJ. The NBA might as well come out and admit they're just like the WWE. There's a cover up going on regarding this.

Just to add to this, we have seen sports betting sponsor pods, sponsor shows, and I believe they are a direct sponsor of the NBA. So betting 101, if people bet on their teams, having a larger market team with really good players means more fans get engaged (with a much bigger fan pool because of the big market,) which means more bets. Smaller markets have less fans, so even with similar percentages of engagement, you just don’t generate the same volume of bets and therefore you don’t get as much profit. Once you establish that is more lucrative for the NBA and its sponsors to stack the big market teams, and then it starts happening on mass, you have to wonder if this is random, or not. I agree it is not.

[Klomp]

Are all these trades "really" just a result of the CBA apron restrictions??

There's been a push for NY and LA to get big name stars on those teams. Then boom, Towns to NY for basically nothing and now Luka for basically nothing. Yeah AD is a good player but there's no way they got anything near equal value for Luka. They also didn't "shop" him for the best value.

This wreaks of an under the table deal to get LA a successor for the years after LBJ. The NBA might as well come out and admit they're just like the WWE. There's a cover up going on regarding this.

That's quite the conspiracy theory. I get why it's out there, but I just don't think it has any legs to it.