Luka AD trade thread Part II

[NyKnicks1714]

The big stories are Dallas's decision and the Lakers getting their next superstar, but with Lakers not being contenders this season, there hasn't been much talk about how Luka and LeBron will play together. That's going to be interesting and fun and weird.

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The big stories are Dallas's decision and the Lakers getting their next superstar, but with Lakers not being contenders this season, there hasn't been much talk about how Luka and LeBron will play together. That's going to be interesting and fun and weird.

They're both high IQ, and highly skilled.

Surround them with defenders, rebounders, and shooters and it's a recipe for success. They're going to be nasty IMO.

If they get a player like Poeltl, it's a wrap.

[Raps in 4]

The big stories are Dallas's decision and the Lakers getting their next superstar, but with Lakers not being contenders this season, there hasn't been much talk about how Luka and LeBron will play together. That's going to be interesting and fun and weird.

They're both high IQ, and highly skilled.

Surround them with defenders, rebounders, and shooters and it's a recipe for success. They're going to be nasty IMO.

If they get a player like Poeltl, it's a wrap.

I've wanted us to trade Poeltl all season, but if I have to pick between gifting him to the Lakers or keeping him and sabotaging our tank, I'm keeping him.

[Bob8]

I actually do think that this trade puts the Mavs in position to be title contenders for the next 2-3 years. I would even say that arguably they could be a better playoff team especially in later rounds than last year.

I think the Mavs will have the best defense in the league. They will be huge playing PJ Washington-Davis-Gafford/Lively and can afford to play extremely physical because of their big man depth. I think AD cutting off drives up at the level and Gafford/Lively behind him will be insane. I think they will generate a ton of turnovers, second chance points, and give up very few second chance points themselves.

In addition to this, they have a ton of shooting and spacing between Kyrie, Klay, Washington, Christie, and Grimes. Both Kyrie and AD can score in the middle of the floor as well.

They are one piece away from really having everything they need. They need another perimeter ball handler who can create advantages against set half court defenses. Dinwiddie/Hardy/Exum are not good enough.

I am really surprised they weren’t able to get Reaves back. If they did, this trade makes a lot more sense although still would be dumb. That being said, I think they will be able to find a player who can fit this mold with their depth and draft capital.

If I were the Mavs I would take a swing at an Ingram or a Jimmy. Honestly, even a player like Jordan Poole would really make them formidable.

How will you have the best D in the league with Kyrie, Dinwiddie, Hardy, Klay... in backcourt? They didn't change Luka with best backcourt defender in the league but they add another big, only strengthen position where they were already very good. And AD won't play mostly on 4, because spacing with him and Lively/Gafford would be bad.

On offensive side, AD can score, although less than Luka, but he can't create what Luka does. Luka was doubled al the time, making space for others, now teams will concentrate on Kyrie, who's not even a Pg.
Mavs will be few levels worse in offensive side.

How people are buying Nico's spin is just laughable. Bad conditioned Luka is second best scorer in the history of playoffs behind only MJ.

[Bob8]

I actually do think that this trade puts the Mavs in position to be title contenders for the next 2-3 years. I would even say that arguably they could be a better playoff team especially in later rounds than last year.

I think the Mavs will have the best defense in the league. They will be huge playing PJ Washington-Davis-Gafford/Lively and can afford to play extremely physical because of their big man depth. I think AD cutting off drives up at the level and Gafford/Lively behind him will be insane. I think they will generate a ton of turnovers, second chance points, and give up very few second chance points themselves.

In addition to this, they have a ton of shooting and spacing between Kyrie, Klay, Washington, Christie, and Grimes. Both Kyrie and AD can score in the middle of the floor as well.

They are one piece away from really having everything they need. They need another perimeter ball handler who can create advantages against set half court defenses. Dinwiddie/Hardy/Exum are not good enough.

I am really surprised they weren’t able to get Reaves back. If they did, this trade makes a lot more sense although still would be dumb. That being said, I think they will be able to find a player who can fit this mold with their depth and draft capital.

If I were the Mavs I would take a swing at an Ingram or a Jimmy. Honestly, even a player like Jordan Poole would really make them formidable.

How will you have the best D in the league with Kyrie, Dinwiddie, Hardy, Klay... in backcourt? They didn't change Luka with best backcourt defender in the league but they add another big, only strengthen position where they were already very good. And AD won't play mostly on 4, because spacing with him and Lively/Gafford would be bad. Best D my ass.

On offensive side, AD can score, although less than Luka, but he can't create what Luka does. Luka was doubled al the time, making space for others, now teams will concentrate on Kyrie, who's not even a Pg.
Mavs will be few levels worse in offensive side.

How people are buying Nico's spin is just laughable. Bad conditioned Luka is second best scorer in the history of playoffs behind only MJ.

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Man I don't think some of you realize how nicely set up the Lakers are right now.

Austin Reaves is a very good player, with a bargain contract, I can see the Lakers trading him for a big man. I can see them filling out the rest of the roster with shooters and defenders.

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kareem
wilt
shaq
pau
lebron
ad
doncic

am i missing any others, lakers get gifted all these players and giving back garbage lol

it is great being the most popular city in north america...the rich get richer and the poor get poorer...a great world we live in today

You're mostly correct but Shaq & Lebron came in as free agents.. AD would have joined the lakers as a free agent and thus, Pels traded him. otherwise, they would have lost him for nothing.

Lakers got an aging Wilt but yes the sixers got garbage for him. ha ha.

it was actually Kobe who was traded to the Lakers, as part of a draft deal with the Hornets. in exchange for Vlade Divac. Kobe was a nobody then, so people didnt care so much.


most shocking trades would have to be Pau and now, Luka. in hindsight the trade for Pau ended up being Marc Gasol (hall of famer) & Zach Randolph (traded using Kwame brown) - kinda evened out eventually even if it Looked bad initially.

[Yuri36]

The big stories are Dallas's decision and the Lakers getting their next superstar, but with Lakers not being contenders this season, there hasn't been much talk about how Luka and LeBron will play together. That's going to be interesting and fun and weird.

They're both high IQ, and highly skilled.

Surround them with defenders, rebounders, and shooters and it's a recipe for success. They're going to be nasty IMO.

If they get a player like Poeltl, it's a wrap.

Not to mention LeBron loves Luka (and vice versa of course LeBron being his idol) and he is one of the most unselfish all time greats around.

[ChuckChilly]

The reason this is so shocking is because this is the first time in NBA history that 2 current All NBA players were traded for each other.

The shady part is that the somehow, after all their poor decisions- they still end up being GIFTED a top 5 NBA player, who is 25 years old, for a guy who is in the twilight of his career at age 32 with significant injury and leadership concerns.

There are 15>20 better guys and packages that the Mavs could have at least asked for before pulling the trigger on this, and yet the Lakers end up getting another superstar for what is essentially a ham sandwich in relative terms.

Technically Luka turns 26 before AD turns 32.

[FarBeyondDriven]

The reason this is so shocking is because this is the first time in NBA history that 2 current All NBA players were traded for each other.

The shady part is that the somehow, after all their poor decisions- they still end up being GIFTED a top 5 NBA player, who is 25 years old, for a guy who is in the twilight of his career at age 32 with significant injury and leadership concerns.

There are 15>20 better guys and packages that the Mavs could have at least asked for before pulling the trigger on this, and yet the Lakers end up getting another superstar for what is essentially a ham sandwich in relative terms.

Technically Luka turns 26 before AD turns 32.

it really is hilarious reading all the "AD is 32!! You don't trade a 25 y/o Luka for him" Notice how they never say AD is 31 y/o and Luka is 26 y/o. Everyone is so triggered they are resorting to even subconscious spin to justify their takes.

not for nothing but Luka has only played a half season more games than AD since being in the NBA. And Luka has been playing professionally since he was like 15 y/o. He has A LOT of mileage. So even though he's nearly 26 y/o, he's got the body and conditioning of a 30 y/o. Maybe things change drastically and he's motivated to get in shape for the first time after this trade. But if he continues, I don't see Luka maintaining 10 more years of being a top player.

[XTC]

Yall know what's crazy?

The Lakers will be resiging Luka to a BARGAIN contract (thanks Nico!), he's going to be making $115 less over 5 years. That is a serious discount, and going to give the Lakers alot of cap room to play around with. Crazy.

[XTC]

The reason this is so shocking is because this is the first time in NBA history that 2 current All NBA players were traded for each other.

The shady part is that the somehow, after all their poor decisions- they still end up being GIFTED a top 5 NBA player, who is 25 years old, for a guy who is in the twilight of his career at age 32 with significant injury and leadership concerns.

There are 15>20 better guys and packages that the Mavs could have at least asked for before pulling the trigger on this, and yet the Lakers end up getting another superstar for what is essentially a ham sandwich in relative terms.

Technically Luka turns 26 before AD turns 32.

it really is hilarious reading all the "AD is 32!! You don't trade a 25 y/o Luka for him" Notice how they never say AD is 31 y/o and Luka is 26 y/o. Everyone is so triggered they are resorting to even subconscious spin to justify their takes.

not for nothing but Luka has only played a half season more games than AD since being in the NBA. And Luka has been playing professionally since he was like 15 y/o. He has A LOT of mileage. So even though he's nearly 26 y/o, he's got the body and conditioning of a 30 y/o. Maybe things change drastically and he's motivated to get in shape for the first time after this trade. But if he continues, I don't see Luka maintaining 10 more years of being a top player.

Lmao

[Edrees]

What do you guys think is next for the Lakers? I think LeBron and the Lakers '31 FRP pick for Giannis makes sense for both teams. The Bucks get to be competitive with LeBron while the Lakers get a decent player to pair with Luka. It won't be easy for the Lakers to part with LeBron who's still only 40 and Giannis has some question marks around intangibles, but I think they pull the trigger.

I'd also call to inquire if the Spurs might be willing to part with Wemby for a package of Rui, Reaves, and some SRPs, but I don't think the Spurs are ready to make that move just yet as they're still evaluating Wemby's potential (but I think with time, they'll realize he has some red flags and they'll come calling Pelinka when that happens).

LOL you must be on crack..LBJ ONLY 40..Spurs willing to part with Wemby..stop it..just go to sleep

2 days ago would you think the mavs were willing to part with Luka to the Lakers for AD? Wemby to the Lakers isn't any more crazy than that, be honest with yourself that they are equally crazy concepts.

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A day later still feels pretty wild to me what happened yesterday. I mean, can you imagine Nico woke up one morning and jokingly decided to trade away your Dirk type of star. When even freaking GM from other team thinks you're trolling, you know there is something wrong about the idea lol...

It's also incredible to hear what guys like SGA, GIannis and other players/coaches/GM's think about it and also thought it was a huge joke at first, that to me makes it even more unbelievable

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[CumberlandPosey]

trade cant be judged properly until maxi plays big minutes.hes the secret ingredient...(except jhs turns into anything)

[catsfan]

kareem
wilt
shaq
pau
lebron
ad
doncic

am i missing any others, lakers get gifted all these players and giving back garbage lol

it is great being the most popular city in north america...the rich get richer and the poor get poorer...a great world we live in today

it was actually Kobe who was traded to the Lakers, as part of a draft deal with the Hornets. in exchange for Vlade Divac. Kobe was a nobody then, so people didnt care so much.

Kobe told the hornets he did not want them to draft him. He told them he wanted LA. The hornets wanted to draft him. They settled for vlade. Vlade was one of the top tier centers in the league at the time. Kobe was definitely not a nobody in the league.

[PeteyPablo]

I just watched the press conference from Saturday at the Cavs game from GM and Coach for the Mavs.

They both seemed to not be shook by the moves.

The Mavs GM said he was talking with Pelinka for 3-4 weeks about the trade and they both kept it a secret.

GM said defense wins championships. They felt Anthony Davis gave them that piece and they also like Max Christie for his youth and athletics. That they have a championship window of 3-4 years with Kyire and AD .

I think the shock and awe is over now and let the games begin.

[hauntedcomputer]

My new theory: this is the Adelsons pushing Cuban the rest of the way out. They couldn't be more politically or basketball-ideologically divided. Cuban is fancying himself a liberal savior and probably has delusions of a presidential run. And there may be something in the structure that makes moving to Vegas more difficult with Cuban on board. Burning it all down just to dance alone on the ashes certainly fits the zeitgeist.