The Bruce Brown conundrum

[original fan]

Haha it all leads back to the other topic sadly, even this one. Reassess getting better depending on your confidence level in the draft pick. Until then, sell to accumulate all the assets possible for your actual contention window.

damm tsherkin was right all along

I think it’s just rise wash, repeat and create a wider net of assets.


Masai traded siakam for flexibility.

Turn 1 brown and a 3rd year former (kinda) failed top prospect into another brown (wiggins) and assets worth significantly more then acbaji was worth last year.

Acbaji looks like an easy sell to contenders- young, team oriented, potential to be an elite role player. Can contribute right away, won’t cost an arm and a leg to resign.


He’d look good starting next to adebayo. I mean he’s essentially a poor man’s young jimmy butler. — ex that: acbaji has way better pedigree than young former 2nd round pick jimmy.

But I could see us turning brown and acbaji into wiggins, a protected first, Jovic and a couple second rounders. (For example).


Repeat the process with wiggins 12 - 18 months later.

Rudy Gay trade 2.0

Ps: on paper acbaji makes sense as our starting 3 — perhaps he overlaps with rj and Scottie too much and he would be better served elsewhere — like being pat Riley’s starting small forward.

If you think Acbaji is a solid young 3 and d wing(poor man' Butler), why not keep him for ourselves and say move empty calories Barret who would cost twice as much? Also, Boucher usually has one good year(contract year) and getting old quick, must sell, even for a 2nd.I would keep Mitchell and Brown if the price is right and there are no takers for Brown.There is 2 goals at this trade deadline, sell vets to tank even further and collect young defence oriented team players for the future.

[agkagk]

damm tsherkin was right all along

I think it’s just rise wash, repeat and create a wider net of assets.


Masai traded siakam for flexibility.

Turn 1 brown and a 3rd year former (kinda) failed top prospect into another brown (wiggins) and assets worth significantly more then acbaji was worth last year.

Acbaji looks like an easy sell to contenders- young, team oriented, potential to be an elite role player. Can contribute right away, won’t cost an arm and a leg to resign.


He’d look good starting next to adebayo. I mean he’s essentially a poor man’s young jimmy butler. — ex that: acbaji has way better pedigree than young former 2nd round pick jimmy.

But I could see us turning brown and acbaji into wiggins, a protected first, Jovic and a couple second rounders. (For example).


Repeat the process with wiggins 12 - 18 months later.

Rudy Gay trade 2.0

Ps: on paper acbaji makes sense as our starting 3 — perhaps he overlaps with rj and Scottie too much and he would be better served elsewhere — like being pat Riley’s starting small forward.

If you think Acbaji is a solid young 3 and d wing(poor man' Butler), why not keep him for ourselves and say move empty calories Barret who would cost twice as much? Also, Boucher usually has one good year(contract year) and getting old quick, must sell, even for a 2nd.I would keep Mitchell and Brown if the price is right and there are no takers for Brown.There is 2 goals at this trade deadline, sell vets to tank even further and collect young defence oriented team players for the future.

I’m guessing greater good — he’d be sacrificed for the core plan of insulating and growing bbq and co


Something like brown and acbaji for wiggins and stuff


Wiggins is our og replacement.

Why wait 3 years on acbaji hoping he becomes wiggins at the expense of everyone else’s development?


Ps: acbaji gives of modern day shane battier vibes to me.

Pps: I think his development will continue to stifle next to Scottie mogbo etc….

Ppps: acbaji is easily sellable to an ownership and fan base.


Anyways, I’m just speculating here! I like acbaji a lot. But he does seem like an odd fit with the rest of the young players.

Pppps: I really really am manifesting hard on us acquiring Johnathan kuminga here.


Also balancing out future salary commitments by converting acbaji into a younger player is probably a thing.

[original fan]

I think it’s just rise wash, repeat and create a wider net of assets.


Masai traded siakam for flexibility.

Turn 1 brown and a 3rd year former (kinda) failed top prospect into another brown (wiggins) and assets worth significantly more then acbaji was worth last year.

Acbaji looks like an easy sell to contenders- young, team oriented, potential to be an elite role player. Can contribute right away, won’t cost an arm and a leg to resign.


He’d look good starting next to adebayo. I mean he’s essentially a poor man’s young jimmy butler. — ex that: acbaji has way better pedigree than young former 2nd round pick jimmy.

But I could see us turning brown and acbaji into wiggins, a protected first, Jovic and a couple second rounders. (For example).


Repeat the process with wiggins 12 - 18 months later.

Rudy Gay trade 2.0

Ps: on paper acbaji makes sense as our starting 3 — perhaps he overlaps with rj and Scottie too much and he would be better served elsewhere — like being pat Riley’s starting small forward.

If you think Acbaji is a solid young 3 and d wing(poor man' Butler), why not keep him for ourselves and say move empty calories Barret who would cost twice as much? Also, Boucher usually has one good year(contract year) and getting old quick, must sell, even for a 2nd.I would keep Mitchell and Brown if the price is right and there are no takers for Brown.There is 2 goals at this trade deadline, sell vets to tank even further and collect young defence oriented team players for the future.

I’m guessing greater good — he’d be sacrificed for the core plan of insulating and growing bbq and co


Something like brown and acbaji for wiggins and stuff


Wiggins is our og replacement.

Why wait 3 years on acbaji hoping he becomes wiggins at the expense of everyone else’s development?


Ps: acbaji gives of modern day shane battier vibes to me.

Pps: I think his development will continue to stifle next to Scottie mogbo etc….

Ppps: acbaji is easily sellable to an ownership and fan base.


Anyways, I’m just speculating here! I like acbaji a lot. But he does seem like an odd fit with the rest of the young players.

Pppps: I really really am manifesting hard on us acquiring Johnathan kuminga here.


Also balancing out future salary commitments by converting acbaji into a younger player is probably a thing.[/quote

Insulating a flawed core? for what purpose exactly. Barret is easily the weak link there and he cost too much money.Acbaji plays totally different position and plays different style from Barnes and Mogbo.He is a POA defender and a good spot up shooter that does not demand the ball, unlike Barret whose play style overlaps with Barnes cus neither are great shooters and like to have the ball in their hands too much, if you include IQ there as a ball handler too, it may not be enough to go around for everybody.Also, if Wiggins is a little better than Acbaji, what are we exactly winning in the next couple of years to a) end up with worst seeding in the lottery this year. b) to commit to 30 million salary and c) waste assets for an aging player that the timeline does not align at all with the core of this team.IMHO this does not make sense on any levels, the only time I would be pro trading this player is if we trade him for a similar player and age that plays a different position, since we have a glut of young players on the wing.
I like Kumminga and I am always for buying low, however fit wise he would be terrible since he can't shoot well and will get very expensive soon.

[original fan]

I think it’s just rise wash, repeat and create a wider net of assets.


Masai traded siakam for flexibility.

Turn 1 brown and a 3rd year former (kinda) failed top prospect into another brown (wiggins) and assets worth significantly more then acbaji was worth last year.

Acbaji looks like an easy sell to contenders- young, team oriented, potential to be an elite role player. Can contribute right away, won’t cost an arm and a leg to resign.


He’d look good starting next to adebayo. I mean he’s essentially a poor man’s young jimmy butler. — ex that: acbaji has way better pedigree than young former 2nd round pick jimmy.

But I could see us turning brown and acbaji into wiggins, a protected first, Jovic and a couple second rounders. (For example).


Repeat the process with wiggins 12 - 18 months later.

Rudy Gay trade 2.0

Ps: on paper acbaji makes sense as our starting 3 — perhaps he overlaps with rj and Scottie too much and he would be better served elsewhere — like being pat Riley’s starting small forward.

If you think Acbaji is a solid young 3 and d wing(poor man' Butler), why not keep him for ourselves and say move empty calories Barret who would cost twice as much? Also, Boucher usually has one good year(contract year) and getting old quick, must sell, even for a 2nd.I would keep Mitchell and Brown if the price is right and there are no takers for Brown.There is 2 goals at this trade deadline, sell vets to tank even further and collect young defence oriented team players for the future.

I’m guessing greater good — he’d be sacrificed for the core plan of insulating and growing bbq and co


Something like brown and acbaji for wiggins and stuff


Wiggins is our og replacement.

Why wait 3 years on acbaji hoping he becomes wiggins at the expense of everyone else’s development?


Ps: acbaji gives of modern day shane battier vibes to me.

Pps: I think his development will continue to stifle next to Scottie mogbo etc….

Ppps: acbaji is easily sellable to an ownership and fan base.


Anyways, I’m just speculating here! I like acbaji a lot. But he does seem like an odd fit with the rest of the young players.

Pppps: I really really am manifesting hard on us acquiring Johnathan kuminga here.


Also balancing out future salary commitments by converting acbaji into a younger player is probably a thing.[/quote

Insulating a flawed core? for what purpose exactly. Barret is easily the weak link there and he cost too much money.Acbaji plays totally different position and plays different style from Barnes and Mogbo.He is a POA defender and a good spot up shooter that does not demand the ball, unlike Barret whose play style overlaps with Barnes cus neither are great shooters and like to have the ball in their hands too much, if you include IQ there as a ball handler too, it may not be enough to go around for everybody.Also, if Wiggins is a little better than Acbaji, what are we exactly winning in the next couple of years to a) end up with worst seeding in the lottery this year. b) to commit to 30 million salary and c) waste assets for an aging player that the timeline does not align at all with the core of this team.IMHO this does not make sense on any levels, the only time I would be pro trading this player is if we trade him for a similar player and age that plays a different position, since we have a glut of young players on the wing.
I like Kumminga and I am always for buying low, however fit wise he would be terrible since he can't shoot well and will get very expensive soon.

[GoRapstheoriginal]

Brown needs to play out of his mind the next few games before the trade deadline!

Lets get it! FRP incoming! lets go!!!

[elmer_yuck]

Who is Acbaji?
Is he related to Ochai Agbaji?

[Scase]

I can't believe this is even a question, he holds no long term value for this team. Unless he is in some Temple kind of role (which won't happen), you trade him. His "value" to this team is a million times less valuable than multiple spots from a draft pick. He isn't some exceptional vet that is key to unlocking the team, he isn't a player we need to push us over the hump, we are a 20 something win team and he is a luxury we do not need.

Get whatever you can for him and move on to rebuild, enough of this kicking a can down the road crap.

[Tor_Raps]

Damn, raptors got a Bruce Brown conundrum while we got the Mavs out here with a Luka Doncic conundrum loll

[mihaic]

Damn, raptors got a Bruce Brown conundrum while we got the Mavs out here with a Luka Doncic conundrum loll

Mavs fans were royaly facked. You don't trade a Doncic type of star for a much older oft-injured player, albeit a star like AD.

[Thaddy]

Damn, raptors got a Bruce Brown conundrum while we got the Mavs out here with a Luka Doncic conundrum loll

Mavs fans were royaly facked. You don't trade a Doncic type of star for a much older oft-injured player, albeit a star like AD.

They are ruining the team on purpose it's pretty obvious.

[original fan]

Who is Acbaji?
Is he related to Ochai Agbaji?

Acbaji is the better looking brother of Ochai.lol.

[mrdressup]

If you can't trade him advantageously, keep him. Problem solved. Don't compound your mistakes just to act.

[Duffman100]

I can't believe this is even a question

And yet somehow it's 5, almost 6 pages so clearly people do have differing views on the asset management / strategy!

Bruce Brown has contributed to us winning this year (even though some thought he'd have zero impact, which was always...weird).

The question is whether the plan is to win next year and then keeping him makes sense from the GM side of things (on a cheaper deal obviously)

[MEDIC]

The question is whether the plan is to win next year and then keeping him makes sense from the GM side of things (on a cheaper deal obviously)

I 100% believe without a doubt the goal for next year is playoffs. You don't keep a bunch of vets around for this long if the plan is to tank for next season as well.

The biggest reason though is to keep Scottie happy. You are going to burn out your young star if you put him through another year of this. He's going to get sick of it & want to leave. Once that player sours on his employer.......that's something that is almost impossible to turn around.

Also.....there is no way this ownership would have the stomach for it. I doubt Masai does either. He is not that type of GM. He is more of a quick re-tool kind of guy.